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[Rebanne]

it is so interesting read kazzie_81's old posts, very entertaining.

[Sheridan]

So why do we get the "Ohh, you are so nasty to noobie" brigade thing happening then? I don't care how long Kazzie has been posting.

Nor do I so perhaps you can point out where I made mention of that?

No, I won't be going through your posts and pointing out things you have mentioned. It isn't about you.

Perhaps you could do it, if you were bored and wanted to bore everyone again else too.

I'll make it simple for you:

My first post

My second.

And this is my third.

Since you missed the point, I'll say it again: the OP was flogged before she posted anything about not being registered. She was flogged because she wanted cheaper ID collars. Seems a trifle petty to me.

[7464]

They were actually reputable and well known for their breeding and showing of Rotti's. Not sure about what they did with their shepherds, if they bred or showed or what.. I'm not sure. I did see photos of both parents who were absolutely beautiful!

I am actually having issues with him frown.gif. Both parents were registered breeders, so I assumed they were all good. Maybe they were and I've just been unlucky. I dunno - I can tell you that I've certainly learnt from this mistake and will never buy a dog again without checking into it's lines FAR more closely. Mind you I certainly don't and never would regret buying him. He's my baby.

But you will breed them. Priceless.

[Rebanne]

from one of kazzie_81's old post

"I personally would NEVER desex any of my dogs before they were fully grown."

[Rebanne]

Both of my kids came from the pet store. What's worse is I worked in said Pet Store for 5 years

I refer to my dogs as "the kids"

I yell shut up at the dogs if they are barking at something they shouldn't

I tell them they are good when they bark at people out the front.

If people don't love my dogs... I have no time for them, and pretty much simply don't like them!

Rei is a labrador and chews everything. If it's in her yard - she's allowed to chew it. If I don't want it chewed, I don't put it in her yard.

I couldn't be bothered teaching them not to pull the clothes off the line, so I simply don't hang clothes on the line.

Kuma loves strangers so much and wants to be everyones best friend. He's very in your face, and if people don't like it that's there problem coz it's his house

Both dogs are very well socialised, but Kuma is BIG and sometimes over friendly. If I'm at the dog park and there are shy dogs there that don't like Kuma, it really annoys me - yet I know if I was the owner of the shy dog I'd be the one annoyed by Kuma!

I was too lazy to teach them to walk on flat collars, so I bought them Black Dog Halti's which they walk in perfectly, but I know there is NO chance I could walk them in a flat collar.

Both dogs recall is generally very good, but when Kuma gets in a zone - he can embarrass the hell out of me acting like a completely untrained dog.

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[Steve]

I'm sorry I started this thread. I'm sorry I've got so many people upset. I didn't see the point in becoming a registered breeder to breed one litter of pups where both parents are pedigree, health checked (maybe no to your standards, but still health checked), happy and healthy. Clearly I've done the wrong thing and I apologise. I won't be doing it again. Yes I truly did believe I could register the litter because both parents were registered. Clearly I was wrong.

The reason health checking is done to the standards that they are, is to try to prevent the heartbreaking scenario of pups having horrible diseases like hip displasia.

So by not doing all the proper tests, not only do you risk breeding more dogs with the disease, you may be legally liable if the new owner starts to get unhappy about the cost of treatment, because you did nothing to test the dogs for hip displasia, when very specific tests are available.

There is nothing stopping you getting both parents dogs hip scored now. Will you be doing that? Or will the pup buyers just have to take a punt?

There is no point in having the parents scored now.

[huski]

You're all presuming that because Rei came from a petstore that she isn't pedigree. Well I hate to inform you that all your breeder friends aren't all perfect, and Rei DID come from a registered breeder and does have pedigree papers.

As for this account, I forgot my username, and when I asked for an email with my password, it sent me a link to the kazzie account. I didn't even realise I had 2 accounts. No deception intended, just forgetfulness.

And what a reputable breed they must be, selling their pups to a pet store. If they are willing to sell off their pups to a pet store god knows what else they did when it came to breeding

[Rebanne]

You're all presuming that because Rei came from a petstore that she isn't pedigree. Well I hate to inform you that all your breeder friends aren't all perfect, and Rei DID come from a registered breeder and does have pedigree papers.

so you contacted the breeder and have verified that the papers are in fact correct

[Rebanne]

from one of kazzie_81's old post

"I personally would NEVER desex any of my dogs before they were fully grown."

but you expect your puppy byers to desex before fully grown

[SwaY]

Well I hate to inform you that all your breeder friends aren't all perfect.

Your right they are not, they are striving to breed the perfect dog and be perfect themselves.

[stormie]

Kazzie - I have a genuine question for you and it's not to have a go at you, it's to hear your views really. Can I ask, why did you decide to breed your dogs? What was the reasoning behind it? Was it an accidental mating? Did you want to see what its like to go through the whole process? Did you think your dogs were excellent examples of the breed? I am genuinely interested in your answer.

I guess I just don't understand, really. I mean, I thought maybe you just had no idea about the dog world. But you've said you worked in a pet shop and said that like it was a bad thing, so you would have an idea that pet shops aren't really the nicest places and often support puppy farms. So I just don't understand why, with your whole background, you would think it's a good idea to bring more puppies into this world, that could possibly have health problems? As a nurse, surely you would have seen young puppies with bad hips or elbows who had terrible quality of life or were put to sleep young? Same with PRA?

So I guess I just don't understand what your idea was behind making all these extra lives?

[Liebhunde]

I can assure you all that none of my puppies will ever end up in a pound. They will all be microchipped with myself as a second contact so that if anything ever went wrong they would end up back with me.

Also all the new owners will be signing a contract agreeing to have the dogs desexed at 6 months of age. Besides that, all the puppies are going to friends and friends of friends who just want them as pets, and will have no intention of ever breeding them.

I'm sorry I started this thread. I'm sorry I've got so many people upset. I didn't see the point in becoming a registered breeder to breed one litter of pups where both parents are pedigree, health checked (maybe no to your standards, but still health checked), happy and healthy. Clearly I've done the wrong thing and I apologise. I won't be doing it again. Yes I truly did believe I could register the litter because both parents were registered. Clearly I was wrong.

Some of you are really not very nice people. I used to believe that dog lovers were the best people in the world. I'm not so sure anymore.

Well I've been up all night with my babies, so I'm going to go and crash on my mattress beside my girl and her babies and stay there for the next few weeks. (Yes I took 8 weeks off work to be with my girl and her puppies).

If a MOD could delete this thread that would be lovely.

I would never apologise to the High Horse Brigade....

Youve been done over by the best of them Kazzie....but I think youve come through fairly unscathed. I admire your dedication to your bitch and whelps....not always seen among the Registered Brigade as we all well know. And the pups produced by some of them should not have seen the light of day....not saying there arnt excellent people breeding under a reg prefix though. From personal experience...I have a thoroughbred giant breed..from an unregistered breeder..shock horror...saw her in the Trading Post...put me in the stocks and pelt me with rotton fruit!!!...however she has a gentle temp, good with other dogs and small animals, has never had a

serious sick day in her life and is accepting of other people, and shes a good looker....despite her mysterious background..some of which..but not all ..I know. Compared to others of her breed that have come from reg breeders..that I know of..including dogs owned by my own family..who have just suddenly died...and others throughout the breed which suffer from chronic physical and temperament problems...shes doing just fine. Ill also say I got my lovely girl before I became a member of this forum and learnt many things...

Might I add..I also own a rescue cross breed and a pure bred, registered, papered, vacced,chipped, health checked pup..think Ive covered all my bases..as have many members of DOL in the same boat as I am.

I do support registered breeders but many dogs from non reg breeders are excellent examples of their type. And the reverse is true of some dogs from supposed ethical breeders. Having a title does not automatically elevate you to the realms of perfection.

Essentially we should all strive to do the right thing....people however will always do their own thing despite what DOLamites would urge...I just hope it will most often be the best thing for the dogs we hold so dear.

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[voloclydes]

if both your puppies parents have papers and a prefix, then if someone has acess to a data base online could this not be verified.

in fact should it not be verified if a breeder prefexied and all be selling puppies via pet shops.....

in the interests of ethical breeding?

jmo folks but if some one is breaking the rules should you not want to stop it?

[huski]

I bred her to create wonderful loving pets for my family and friends. Yes I actually do believe her, and the father, to be a wonderful example of the breed, and would not have bred her otherwise - but that's hardly the point. These pups aren't for showing or breeding, they are pets. I know where every single one of them is going, and I'll get to watch them grow and bring so much love to their new families as my dogs have to mine.

So both parents are good examples of the breed in that they meet the breed standard?

My puppies are not x-breeds or inbreds, and despite what you may think about the x-rays I've had done, I believe them to show that both Rei and Ben's hips and elbows are in good condition and would not have bred them if they weren't.

So you know how to read hip/elbow scores from an x-ray?

I'm really not sure why I'm continuing to post as I know no matter what I say it's not going to be good enough for any of you.

I can't believe that after all the time you've spent on DOL that you would think the members here would want to support a backyard breeder who has bred a litter from a pet stop dog

[Are You Serious Jo]

So despite knowing everything you do from your time as a vet nurse and pet shop employee and your time on DOL (I've seen your posts) you deliberately created a litter of unregistered and not health tested puppies? The only xrays that count are those assessed by vets qualified to hip and elbow score BTW. You did this knowing all you do, just asking for those that think you were clueless.

[Golden Rules]

So despite knowing everything you do from your time as a vet nurse and pet shop employee and your time on DOL (I've seen your posts) you deliberately created a litter of unregistered and not health tested puppies? The only xrays that count are those assessed by vets qualified to hip and elbow score BTW. You did this knowing all you do, just asking for those that think you were clueless.

Hey, there's others here who are doing the same thing - just pop into the Aussie thread!

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[Are You Serious Jo]

So despite knowing everything you do from your time as a vet nurse and pet shop employee and your time on DOL (I've seen your posts) you deliberately created a litter of unregistered and not health tested puppies? The only xrays that count are those assessed by vets qualified to hip and elbow score BTW. You did this knowing all you do, just asking for those that think you were clueless.

Hey, there's others here who are doing the same thing - just pop into the Aussie thread!

Ack!

[Steve]

I bred her to create wonderful loving pets for my family and friends. Yes I actually do believe her, and the father, to be a wonderful example of the breed, and would not have bred her otherwise - but that's hardly the point. These pups aren't for showing or breeding, they are pets. I know where every single one of them is going, and I'll get to watch them grow and bring so much love to their new families as my dogs have to mine.

My puppies are not x-breeds or inbreds, and despite what you may think about the x-rays I've had done, I believe them to show that both Rei and Ben's hips and elbows are in good condition and would not have bred them if they weren't.

I'm really not sure why I'm continuing to post as I know no matter what I say it's not going to be good enough for any of you.

Im glad you know where every single one of them is going and I hope that as you watch them grow into adult hood that none are blind ,have heart problems or joint problems but considering you used no science and only luck to attempt to make these wonderful loving pets and that the parents come from an unethical breeder who sold their puppies to a pet shop even though they could have gotten more money for them[ in order to avoid responsibility] than if they had sold them personally the chances of that happening are on percentage much lower than they would have been if you had of used the science which is available.

The purpose of the papers is to track genetic diseases and health issues because dogs which have good hips on X ray often make babies with horrible hips. Dogs who can see at aged 2 often cannot see at age 5 and even if they can they often make babies who go blind or drop dead from heart problems.

You think they only need to be registered and carry papers if they are going to be used for breeding or showing - thats O.K. lots of regsitered breeders think that too however, you are very very wrong and I truly hope your babies live happily ever after.