International Judges

[Sayly]

While I believe color is relatively unimportant in the scheme of things (although I also understand perception of a dog because of it's color or markings certainly has an impact), I also understand that when there are significant physical differences between standards (ears, size, tails (I believe some standards still only state must be docked??) etc it would be difficult for a judge not to be drawn to the dog that physically resembles the majority that they have seen/spent the last decade or more judging etc.

I wouldn't expect to do well with a tailed Aussie under an American judge (in fact I wouldn't expect to do well under Aussie judges either) but I think I'd still enter. The more they see the more "normal" the tails will hopefully appear.

The Irish are traditionally docked (about 1/3 of the tail taken off) but because Ruby is very much American lines I would rather enter her under an American than many other nationalities.

She gets groomed to perfection for USA, Canadian judges but for some Europeans we tend to leave her a touch more hairy as they seem to be shown hairier over there. The Americans of course groom them right up.

I doubt I will enter her under Asian judges anymore as they don't tend to even look at her and I have been asked to table her before...

[SpikesPuppy]

Comment on the collies....as I was mentored in grooming by a collie(rough) breeder, they did not interbreed between coat varieties however there were smooths born in their rough litters and they were quickly petted out as these breeders attempted to curtail this further in their lines.

A smooth cannot be born via 2 rough parents, however a rough can be born to 2 smooths. A smooth/rough mating can produce anything.

Different countries have different regulations about te interbreeding, registration of puppies (some countres require rough pups from smooth-smooth to be registered as smooths), and also on importation of pups born from smooth/rough matings.

Here in Australia we can interbreed & register each puppy based on it's coat type.

my mistake (typo) meant it the other way....this is what I get when trying to type a thought after not a lot of sleep! sorry!

lol no worries- I was actually a little surprised that you would have said that hehe.

I always believes them to be 2 separate breeds an was quite surprised to find they were interbred here

Lyndsay- have they altered the Aussie standard yet?? I wonder what an international judge issupposed to do if the standard is not altered here?? I guess it's then not their fault if they disregard a tailed animal if they are unsure what the correct tail should be (if that makes sense!!).

Was actually browsing the ANKC site looking for something unrelated but came across a section on judging and it advised standards to be available in thering and the judge to be encouraged to refer to them if required.

[Gayle.]

I wouldn't expect to do well with a tailed Aussie under an American judge (in fact I wouldn't expect to do well under Aussie judges either) but I think I'd still enter. The more they see the more "normal" the tails will hopefully appear.

When Sheila Polk judged the 2008 Aussie spec in Vic, there was a huge turnout, it was the biggest gathering of Aussies ever seen in this country. She did not discriminate between tailed and non-tailed Aussies and out of about 22 classes, there were around 8 tailed winners. That is not at all bad considering the ratio of tailed to non-tailed entries was a lot lower than that.

[Sayly]

I wouldn't expect to do well with a tailed Aussie under an American judge (in fact I wouldn't expect to do well under Aussie judges either) but I think I'd still enter. The more they see the more "normal" the tails will hopefully appear.

When Sheila Polk judged the 2008 Aussie spec in Vic, there was a huge turnout, it was the biggest gathering of Aussies ever seen in this country. She did not discriminate between tailed and non-tailed Aussies and out of about 22 classes, there were around 8 tailed winners. That is not at all bad considering the ratio of tailed to non-tailed entries was a lot lower than that.

Specialty judges I think I'd enter everything I could tailed or non-tailed! Specialty judges I would expect to be some-what better with tails than an average judge from the USA.

Would have loved to be there.

ETA: SP - there's been talk but I don't think it's happened yet. I would think all judges coming to judge here would be told we are no longer able to dock and that tailed animals should not be discriminated against due to tails, like the Aus judges were? I personally prefer bob tailed Aussies and a tail can make them appear longer. A gay tail is also unsightly. Not that I'm saying tailed Aussies shouldn't go up! One of my favourite bitches has a tail and I get so excited when she does well. Nearly as excited as her owner/handler.

Edited June 13, 2010 by Lyndsay

[Guest CaptainCourageous]

For my breed it's whether or not coat colour is recognised. I usually can't be bothered entering a non-black under any judge from a country that doesn't recognise non-blacks.

CC

Ah yes, we all remember the Canadian judge at the Schipp club show a couple of years ago saying at presentation that coloureds and tails weren't allowed in her country so that was the way she judged. Wish I had known before I wasted all of that money on entry fees We've been under Canadians with creams before and they have loved them but not so this judge.

Thora's words were

Thank you, I had a great time.

Firstly I will say that, and I am sure you are all aware, that in Canada we do not allow tails or any other colour but black, so that it’s always in the back of my head that when I come to other countries I know what the differences are, and it’s the first time I’ve seen Schipperkes with tails and creams in my travels, so thank you for that.

You have some lovely head types in some of your dogs…

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Edited June 16, 2010 by CaptainCourageous

[ophnbark]

For my breed it's whether or not coat colour is recognised. I usually can't be bothered entering a non-black under any judge from a country that doesn't recognise non-blacks.

CC

Ah yes, we all remember the Canadian judge at the Schipp club show a couple of years ago saying at presentation that coloureds and tails weren't allowed in her country so that was the way she judged. Wish I had known before I wasted all of that money on entry fees We've been under Canadians with creams before and they have loved them but not so this judge.

Thora's words were

Thank you, I had a great time.

Firstly I will say that, and I am sure you are all aware, that in Canada we do not allow tails or any other colour but black, so that it's always in the back of my head that when I come to other countries I know what the differences are, and it's the first time I've seen Schipperkes with tails and creams in my travels, so thank you for that.

You have some lovely head types in some of your dogs…

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Could you please give me the recorded sound track of this as I certainly don't remember her saying that she knew what the differences were. Perhaps we were all in too much shock after her saying that it was in the back of her head.

[Blakbelgian]

Hi, the club sells dvds or VHS copies of the shows for any person to purchase.

If anyone would like a copy please send $10 (which includes postage) to the Schipperke Club of Vic Inc.

BB