Partipaws Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 A pup I sold to a couple have just sent me photos of the pup I sold to them - he is now 6 months old and quite stunning. They are interested in showing now, but at the time they bought pup they just wanted a pet and there was brief discussion about interest in showing but had decided on pup and they were unsure of the show scene then. This was my first litter, so I was unsure how pups were going to turn out so one was retain by myself and the other 2 were sold on limited register as pets. What options do I have if I want to encourage the owners into showing - well in saying this they are very interested in showing, so it is up to me now whether I move the boy onto main papers. My problem with this is and sorry if I sound selfish with my lines, but I do not really want to open this boy up for stud and leak my lines out too soon when I am only just starting out myself and wish to be one of the firsts in the breed to get the parti colour recognised in Australia, and it does concern me that a few breeders will seek these people out for stud duties so to speak - very long story - but what options are there? I hear there is a main registration for neutered dogs? what does this entail and is there many shows that have these classes? or is it still relatively new? As a breeder who has sold a dog on limited papers I know you can move them back over to mains - but can you go co-owners if they go on mains? I sound very paranoid I know, but there are valid reasons for my craziness as some may have remember in my last post about a certain unethical breeder trying to use my other boy to stud who is also on limited register... hmmm?? Thanks in advance. Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzat Xolo Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Not sure how your state control body works and if its too late to do this but maybe you can transfer him to the main but have a co ownership in regards to breeding ? Not even sure if you can do co ownership after the dog has been reg initially but I am sure others will know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partipaws Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share Posted June 7, 2010 Thanks for that - I am fairly new to all this so its all learning for me - but that was pretty much what I was looking for - I guess if the couple decide to further pursue the breed then eventually I will remove the restrictions of the breeding - but at the moment due to a previous incident involving another breeder I am not very trusting and feel that I need to protect my lines at the moment - our breed has a lot of corruption at the moment and all I can hope for is that the DNA profiling will come through asap - lol Thank you for your help Jess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulilover Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I understand your craziness If I were you I would transfer the dog into co-ownership on the main register. They are 2 separate things, first you transfer onto MR (only you as the breeder can do this) then you transfer into co-ownership. If you have already transferred the dog into the new owners name, they will need to sign the new transfer of ownership into co-ownership. I would explain to the owners why you wish to do this. If they are reasonable people they will understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partipaws Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share Posted June 7, 2010 I understand your craziness If I were you I would transfer the dog into co-ownership on the main register. They are 2 separate things, first you transfer onto MR (only you as the breeder can do this) then you transfer into co-ownership. If you have already transferred the dog into the new owners name, they will need to sign the new transfer of ownership into co-ownership. I would explain to the owners why you wish to do this. If they are reasonable people they will understand. Thank you so much Pulilover - you have answered my question and eased my mind! I was not sure it could be done after the dog was transferred into the new owners name - I did understand that I could make changes to the pup being moved over to main registration but did not know whether I could go co-owners as to monitor stud duties - or rather restrict this for now!!! So glad you understand my craziness - lol - I didn't want to come across selfish with my lines or should I say lack there of - hehe - I do very much agree to sharing out the lines as I believe in working together for the betterment of the breed - but unfortunately it seems lately there are a few too many corrupt breeders within my breed and unfortunately a lot of them seem to live quite close by - I have already had one try and con an owner of a pom I sold (which is on limited) into allowing him/her to use him to stud over their girls - all because I refused to sell to unethical breeders, so they think they can go through the back door and then falsify litter registration of puppies that should not be registered because the boy is on limited - most just want the colour so that they can profit off selling "rare exotic coloured poms" anyway enough said - Hence the reason I am now paranoid :D lol Thank you very much again - really appreciate it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I gather as you sold sai dog as pet you also had a spay aspect to your contract or a verbal one. What i would first dog is go see the dog & assess whether it is worth being upgraded, if you feel it is then inform them that if you upgrade the dog will go into joint names for show/breeding reasons but is still there dog. If they havent attended shows ask them to head down to some your at & see how keen they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aziah Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 This isn't the puppy that the owners were approached by another breeder about using at stud is it? Dogs NSW offer a Main Register but no breeding contract, link below... Dogs NSW Non-Breeding Agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 (edited) You have two options. 1. wait for proof of desexing and then upgrade the dog from limit to main and then the owners can show him in the neuter class. The neuter class has always been around but offered by very few clubs. The opportunity for a neuter title will begin in July, but again the clubs might be slow to add the class, if at all. 2. Upgrade the dog from limit to main and transfer into joint names at the same time. Before you do that, you'd have to nut out a co-ownership agreement and cover everything from feeding to breeding, entries and all the other "what-if's". You need to make sure it's water tight and that it would stand up in court if either party breached the contract. To be honest Dogs NSW and the other CC's are as useless as tits on a bull when it comes to these things and if you don't have a written contract ( and even if you do ) they will simply tell you any breach of an agreement is not their problem. They will still register litters sired by the dog etc. You need to either take option one, which is safe in every respect or be really sure and have a water tight contract and be prepared to enforce it, if poo hits the fan. Edited June 7, 2010 by SBT123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partipaws Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 I gather as you sold sai dog as pet you also had a spay aspect to your contract or a verbal one.What i would first dog is go see the dog & assess whether it is worth being upgraded, if you feel it is then inform them that if you upgrade the dog will go into joint names for show/breeding reasons but is still there dog. If they havent attended shows ask them to head down to some your at & see how keen they are Hello Showdog, Yes I sold pup as pet with a verbal agreement to desex at/or around 6 months - they did at this time show interest in the showing, but had no experience etc.... I did say once puppy reaches 6 months I will access him - I understand that if there are any problems, defects such as bad bite, or just not up to scratch to be moved up to main register for show, then he will not be moved up - I have seen photos of him and I am quite impress, but without going over him in the flesh the decision is yet to be made. I have asked them to meet up with me next time I am out at a show, so that I can run through everything with them... jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partipaws Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 This isn't the puppy that the owners were approached by another breeder about using at stud is it?Dogs NSW offer a Main Register but no breeding contract, link below... Dogs NSW Non-Breeding Agreement Thank you Aziah for the link... as per your question, no this is the other puppy, I had 3 pups, one I retained the other 2 went as pets - this one is more correct in markings for show, the other not and that was the one I was having issues with the owner and unethical breeder... jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partipaws Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 You have two options.1. wait for proof of desexing and then upgrade the dog from limit to main and then the owners can show him in the neuter class. The neuter class has always been around but offered by very few clubs. The opportunity for a neuter title will begin in July, but again the clubs might be slow to add the class, if at all. 2. Upgrade the dog from limit to main and transfer into joint names at the same time. Before you do that, you'd have to nut out a co-ownership agreement and cover everything from feeding to breeding, entries and all the other "what-if's". You need to make sure it's water tight and that it would stand up in court if either party breached the contract. To be honest Dogs NSW and the other CC's are as useless as tits on a bull when it comes to these things and if you don't have a written contract ( and even if you do ) they will simply tell you any breach of an agreement is not their problem. They will still register litters sired by the dog etc. You need to either take option one, which is safe in every respect or be really sure and have a water tight contract and be prepared to enforce it, if poo hits the fan. Sorry for the delay in my response to your post SBT123! Very good points you have raised! This little puppy I sold was nice in type, had some nice attributes about him, was well marked for show in regards to being a parti colour, but at the time his brother Teddy who I kept was by far the pick - I felt the other pup had less coat at the time, his tail set was not to my liking nor his back end - if I were to be picky that is!! I was also a little concerned with the bite at the time - it appeared to be an even bite, and would some days appear undershot, so because I could not foresee the future and determine the jaw growth and because I had made my decision on the other boy I decided to sell as pet. So the first thing I need to do before worrying myself with everything is to check him out, check his bite, his back end and tail set and determine whether or not he is eligible to move up on main. Thank you for your help and advise - appreciate it a lot Jess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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