Dogsfevr Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 http://newsessentials.blogspot.com/2010/03...ban-13-dog.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyosha Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 (edited) Sigh... The Ovtcharkas and Kangals now?? So we're moving now from the breeds that have a reputation for being of fighting anscestry into the mountain types? What's next? Bernese? St Bernards? Then which Group do they start on next...? edit - sorry, it's late and I can't spell Edited June 4, 2010 by Alyosha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanabanana Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 How ridiculous....what will be next, labs and golden retrivers because they might "fetch" someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzat Xolo Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 http://newsessentials.blogspot.com/2010/03...ban-13-dog.html Interesting read, thanks for posting, I have shared the link with a Sarplaninac breeder here, they will be most intersted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Bronson Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 I guess they are in "the category" of the usual banned breeds. I was expecting to see Rotties, Dobies and GSD's too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy21 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Are people (and I use the term loosely) using the livestock guardian breeds for dog fighting, or are they employed as guard dogs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 Are people (and I use the term loosely) using the livestock guardian breeds for dog fighting, or are they employed as guard dogs? I found a Russian site on the net with horrible footage of those kangal dogs being fought. They say thats how they tested there metal so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy21 Posted June 4, 2010 Share Posted June 4, 2010 OK. I just wondered why they were lumped in with the 'dog fighting' breeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Interesting comment from the Danish Kennel Club. They say they were on the committee of 9 which had to agree if this banning of breeds should go into law. They report that only 3 members....all from various Gov agencies...voted yes. The remaining 6 (including the DKC) said no...and argued that the exististing laws which refer to all dogs should be tightened up (sound familiar?). So the minority won out. http://www.worlddogshow2010.dk/?GB/News/DK...port%20ban.aspx But, research keeps rolling in from various countries on what's the source of dangerously aggressive dogs & what to do about it. Very little, if any, of the results, point to banning breeds. Constantly, the source is found to be humans & what they do and provide for dogs. There was even one piece of research which showed the profile which came out, of people who tend to own a dog whose aggression is not under control. That these owners are not a pillar of emotional stability & social responsibility themselves, won't come as a surprise. And there's lots more , too....all about what humans do & provide (from birth & specially within the first 6 months of life). Not breeds, per se. Edited June 5, 2010 by mita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Sigh... The Ovtcharkas and Kangals now?? So we're moving now from the breeds that have a reputation for being of fighting anscestry into the mountain types? What's next? Bernese? St Bernards? Then which Group do they start on next...? edit - sorry, it's late and I can't spell The Ovtcharkas (which quite a few fall under this breed) are known for their very aggressive nature. I've seen footage of these dogs and not only can they aggressive (towards humans as well as other dogs), but the sheer size of them can well be a recipe for disaster. They must have some stats in their country for this ban. The Boerbel another interesting one. Several of my South African friends (who are dog lovers and owners) cannot believe they are allowed in this country - they have said that time and time again this breed makes the front page and TV news because they have attacked people, and usually members of their own family (of course that doesn't mean all will by any means), but just shows that these large powerful breeds in the wrong hands can be a disaster. What we don't want here are the irresponsible dog owners picking these breeds. I'm all for responsible dog owners having these breeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJean Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Sigh... The Ovtcharkas and Kangals now?? So we're moving now from the breeds that have a reputation for being of fighting anscestry into the mountain types? What's next? Bernese? St Bernards? Then which Group do they start on next...? edit - sorry, it's late and I can't spell The Ovtcharkas (which quite a few fall under this breed) are known for their very aggressive nature. I've seen footage of these dogs and not only can they aggressive (towards humans as well as other dogs), but the sheer size of them can well be a recipe for disaster. They must have some stats in their country for this ban. The Boerbel another interesting one. Several of my South African friends (who are dog lovers and owners) cannot believe they are allowed in this country - they have said that time and time again this breed makes the front page and TV news because they have attacked people, and usually members of their own family (of course that doesn't mean all will by any means), but just shows that these large powerful breeds in the wrong hands can be a disaster. What we don't want here are the irresponsible dog owners picking these breeds. I'm all for responsible dog owners having these breeds. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 (edited) edit - sorry, it's late and I can't spell The Ovtcharkas (which quite a few fall under this breed) are known for their very aggressive nature. I've seen footage of these dogs and not only can they aggressive (towards humans as well as other dogs), but the sheer size of them can well be a recipe for disaster. They must have some stats in their country for this ban. runs off to wake up Jake and tell him that he is a danger to world as we know it Damn now the rabbits and lambs will have no one to cuddle and keep warm with in Winter. Edited June 7, 2010 by casowner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliversmum Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Sigh... The Ovtcharkas and Kangals now?? So we're moving now from the breeds that have a reputation for being of fighting anscestry into the mountain types? What's next? Bernese? St Bernards? Then which Group do they start on next...? edit - sorry, it's late and I can't spell The Ovtcharkas (which quite a few fall under this breed) are known for their very aggressive nature. I've seen footage of these dogs and not only can they aggressive (towards humans as well as other dogs), but the sheer size of them can well be a recipe for disaster. They must have some stats in their country for this ban. The Boerbel another interesting one. Several of my South African friends (who are dog lovers and owners) cannot believe they are allowed in this country - they have said that time and time again this breed makes the front page and TV news because they have attacked people, and usually members of their own family (of course that doesn't mean all will by any means), but just shows that these large powerful breeds in the wrong hands can be a disaster. What we don't want here are the irresponsible dog owners picking these breeds. I'm all for responsible dog owners having these breeds. Hmmmm.......not much else to say really other than my experience with Boerboels is the complete opposite. Again, why we are extremely selective on who owns this breed. Why we continue with the appraisal system of which the largest scores pertain to temprement then health. Why, if the dog doesn't pass its appraisal, won't be elegible for registration. Still doesn't mean your BYB can't go out and breed, but we are doing the best we can. Of all the owners and breeders that i've had dealings with in this country, all has been positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Sigh... The Ovtcharkas and Kangals now?? So we're moving now from the breeds that have a reputation for being of fighting anscestry into the mountain types? What's next? Bernese? St Bernards? Then which Group do they start on next...? edit - sorry, it's late and I can't spell The Ovtcharkas (which quite a few fall under this breed) are known for their very aggressive nature. I've seen footage of these dogs and not only can they aggressive (towards humans as well as other dogs), but the sheer size of them can well be a recipe for disaster. They must have some stats in their country for this ban. The Boerbel another interesting one. Several of my South African friends (who are dog lovers and owners) cannot believe they are allowed in this country - they have said that time and time again this breed makes the front page and TV news because they have attacked people, and usually members of their own family (of course that doesn't mean all will by any means), but just shows that these large powerful breeds in the wrong hands can be a disaster. What we don't want here are the irresponsible dog owners picking these breeds. I'm all for responsible dog owners having these breeds. Hmmmm.......not much else to say really other than my experience with Boerboels is the complete opposite. Again, why we are extremely selective on who owns this breed. Why we continue with the appraisal system of which the largest scores pertain to temprement then health. Why, if the dog doesn't pass its appraisal, won't be elegible for registration. Still doesn't mean your BYB can't go out and breed, but we are doing the best we can. Of all the owners and breeders that i've had dealings with in this country, all has been positive. Agree - I wish there will come a day when you can only purchase a puppy/dog from a registered breeder or through shelters/rescue organisations. I would love to see an end to the BYB, as I'm sure most of you all would too. These breeds I believe are fine in the right homes with the right owners, but what we will see are these dogs being bred by BYBs and then god knows what will happen to them. Once it is known among certain people that the "new best breed to get" is a boerbel, ovchartka etc then no doubt we will see tragic accidents happening in the community - the bybs will be out in force selling the "new dog of the moment" with no thought or knowledge about these breeds. I hope it won't happen, but I believe it will. Powerful breeds like these in irresponsible hands I'm sure all would agree is a disaster waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 edit - sorry, it's late and I can't spell The Ovtcharkas (which quite a few fall under this breed) are known for their very aggressive nature. I've seen footage of these dogs and not only can they aggressive (towards humans as well as other dogs), but the sheer size of them can well be a recipe for disaster. They must have some stats in their country for this ban. runs off to wake up Jake and tell him that he is a danger to world as we know it Damn now the rabbits and lambs will have no one to cuddle and keep warm with in Winter. But I'm assuming you are a responsible owner???? You would have to agree that these breeds in irresponsible hands is a disaster waiting to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Are people (and I use the term loosely) using the livestock guardian breeds for dog fighting, or are they employed as guard dogs? These livestock guardian breeds are commonly used for the Dog Fighting Festival held each year in Afghanistan. This festival draws huge crowds from all over that part of the world (Russia, Pakistan etc) and they bet on the dogs (which are mainly the Ovtcharka breeds). Very sad and the govt hasn't outlawed this barbaric tradition. Children are watching this so what hope does the next generation have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Most breeds in the wrong hands can be dangerous, I do not feel it should be breed biased, owners are the issue. My CASD is much more trustworthy with stock than my old GSD was, my pom cross is much more fear based with my son than my CASD. Yes I do consider myself a responsible owner of all breeds that I have owned but do not feel that breed bias is fair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 edit - sorry, it's late and I can't spell The Ovtcharkas (which quite a few fall under this breed) are known for their very aggressive nature. I've seen footage of these dogs and not only can they aggressive (towards humans as well as other dogs), but the sheer size of them can well be a recipe for disaster. They must have some stats in their country for this ban. runs off to wake up Jake and tell him that he is a danger to world as we know it Damn now the rabbits and lambs will have no one to cuddle and keep warm with in Winter. But I'm assuming you are a responsible owner???? You would have to agree that these breeds in irresponsible hands is a disaster waiting to happen. ANY dog in the wrong hands can be a disaster waiting to happen. singling out breeds does nothing to help reduce dog attacks, especially when mutts are involved....how do you ban them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Most breeds in the wrong hands can be dangerous, I do not feel it should be breed biased, owners are the issue. My CASD is much more trustworthy with stock than my old GSD was, my pom cross is much more fear based with my son than my CASD.Yes I do consider myself a responsible owner of all breeds that I have owned but do not feel that breed bias is fair x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adnil444 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Most breeds in the wrong hands can be dangerous, I do not feel it should be breed biased, owners are the issue. My CASD is much more trustworthy with stock than my old GSD was, my pom cross is much more fear based with my son than my CASD.Yes I do consider myself a responsible owner of all breeds that I have owned but do not feel that breed bias is fair x2 Perhaps you should google the breed temperaments of some of these breeds - one website states that the Caucasian Ovcharka to have agression to people and other other animals (the family and the animals in the family ok) but visitors to your house beware. The sites also state over and over again - not the breed for anyone that doesn't have experience with large powerful breeds, must socialise them more so than other breeds if you are going to have one that isn't dog aggressive. While I don't want to single out other breeds, have you had a look at what these dogs can do in the wrong hands - I know you will all say that any dog can be dangerous in the wrong hands, I agree, but I would rather face a rottie than one of these in danger mode. It's not the people on these sites that are irresponsible. Can you imagine one of these dogs, purchased from a byb, put in a yard, never socialised, rarely or never exercised - what do you think will happen to that dog? We are not talking about a medium or large dog, we are talking about a giant breed with extreme power. I don't see a part in suburban life for these dogs. As a guardian dog of stock where you know that no person will ever get attacked, then ok. My family has a farm, and we have had numerous times people wander onto our land (which is clearly marked Private Property) - what if we had one of these dogs - I'm sure they would attack and the result would not be pretty (plus probably a large law suit to follow). I'm just stating that I would hate to see these dogs in the wrong hands and I don't feel that they deserve to live in suburbia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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