stef_83 Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 it has been approx 4 1/2 weeks since bully was here and could have gotten to saffron. today while having a lay in the sun and a rub of the belly i felt what seemed to b hard balls in saffrons stomach and it is a lot tighter also in the last week her nipples have gotten alot bigger. i have called lort smith who cant fit her in until next week, but they said she sounds like bully did get to saffron. so even tho im not 100% certain she is pregnant id like to start preparing for what i need to do and what extra care she needs like certain foods etc. so any advice would be appreicated. please no flaming i had no clue she was in heat and took in a local stray at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 As I said in your other thread, is there a reason you can't desex her immediatley ? or take her for alizin injections ? I'm assuming this is a xbred & unwanted litter ? fifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rysup Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 I'd just get her desexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 it has been approx 4 1/2 weeks since bully was here and could have gotten to saffron. today while having a lay in the sun and a rub of the belly i felt what seemed to b hard balls in saffrons stomach and it is a lot tighter also in the last week her nipples have gotten alot bigger. i have called lort smith who cant fit her in until next week, but they said she sounds like bully did get to saffron. so even tho im not 100% certain she is pregnant id like to start preparing for what i need to do and what extra care she needs like certain foods etc. so any advice would be appreicated.please no flaming i had no clue she was in heat and took in a local stray at the time. Is Saffron a breeding bitch or where you planning on having her desexed. If you were planning on desexing just get it done now. The shelter I worked for used to desex pregnant bitches right up until the 8th week, without any problems. Otherwise the puppies may be able to be aborted with injections but you need to get onto it asap. If it is a crossbred unwanted litter and you decide to let her have them, the responsible thing to do is put down all but 2 at birth so she still has something to raise but you only need to find homes for two. I have seen far to many people put a lot of money and effort into raising a litter of large cross breeds only to have to surrender them to a shelter that puts them down anyway, because they are impossible to home. It is always better if unwanted puppies are never born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 If she's not a show or breeding bitch desex her now and if she is use Alizin instead. There's not point bringing a cross bred litter into the world and certainly no point in letting a show/breeding bitch have one. It's a waste of her having a litter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 From one of my posts in your thread in General: Stef, if its a moral / ethical / emotional objection to terminating a pregnancy, think about the possibility of an emergency ceasarian, and the reality of a huge unwanted x-bred litter to raise, vaccinate, microchip, desex and find loving forever homes for. Believe me, immediate desexing or using the Alizin injection which ceases the pregnancy is a much better solution. fifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinapoint Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Stef, please consider taking her to the vet for alazin. It really would be a terrible waste to see another x breed dogs home special litter being born when you had every opportunity to prevent it. Puppies sound cute and fun and all that, but reality is FAR from it hon. We dont need another litter of cross breed pups turning up in pounds. Do the right thing while you have the chance. And if shes not a show/breeding bitch then desexing her immediately is an option too. No more seasons, silent or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 stef, by waiting another 14 days for your appointment, you are obviously trying to have this litter. DO something NOW to avoid more unwanted pups. here is the other thread for those who havn't seen it. http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?showtopic=197348 fifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted June 3, 2010 Share Posted June 3, 2010 Have just realised what breeds we are talking about crossing here and I can assure you that you would be pushing it to find even one decent home for these puppies, let alone a possible litter or 8-12. The cost of raising a litter like that could easily be $1000 plus there is a possiblility of a caesar, add another $1000. Can you afford to be that much out of pocket and be stuck with a whole lot of large puppies eating you out of house and home and no chance of finding homes for them. The shelter I worked for put down nearly all puppies that where Cattle x, Shepherd X, Rotti x or Bull breed X, the day they came in the door. They are impossible to home because they are a dime a dozen and quite frankly no one wants them. We used to have people calling all the time wanting us to take litters they had reared and couldn't home but I had to tell them the only thing we could do was pts. Please get your girl to a vet immediately to for an ultrasound and if she is pregnant, desex now or get alazin injections. This is what responsible breeders do when faced with an unwanted pregnancy. Most of the dogs that end up in pounds and shelters should never have been born and if everyone did the responsible thing and prevented unwanted puppies being born there would be hardly any shelters needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Alizin is fine to use, bitch sufferes no ill effect and you dont even notice...I have used it before with an opps after a silent season. And it sure is a alot cheaper then raising a litter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stef_83 Posted June 5, 2010 Author Share Posted June 5, 2010 i havent had a chance to respond but for everyone out there: im not sure she IS pregnant. im not making any choices until i have spoken to the vet. she hasnt been yet as one vet told me the injection suggested might not work if she is to far and that it could just cause defects in the pups. i have contacted lort smith who cannot get her in until wednesday. so i will b speaking to them about all options avaliable. I AM NOT SOME BYB OUT THERE JUST TRYING TO ADD TO UNWANTED PUPS. THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 An accident yes, many, many people have had them. But by waiting & waiting, you are stalling. Since you first posted you could have had her in & desexed by now at any vet recommended by rescue or breeders. Of course the longer you leave it the more chance of having to whelp a litter :-( fifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Agree with fifi, why wait for Lort Smith? (if you are short of funds a litter will not help!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stef_83 Posted June 5, 2010 Author Share Posted June 5, 2010 Agree with fifi, why wait for Lort Smith? (if you are short of funds a litter will not help!!) its a few days. lort smith because i dont like my local vet and i have always gone to lort smith because my mother got her dog from there also any money there goes towards helping other animals in need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andisa Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Stef - please correct me if I am wrong - but isn't your bitch only about 14 months or so old? (I might be thinking of someone else but feel she is still very young) If so - I would not be allowing her to have this litter she is far too young for a large breed bitch. I would be thinking of her welfare before that of unplanned and unprepared litter of pups. Personally I don't like the idea of spaying while in season or whelp but I if this was my bitch she would have been up at the vets the first sign of possibly being in whelp - and dealt with. Edited June 5, 2010 by Andisa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi Posted June 5, 2010 Share Posted June 5, 2010 Agree with fifi, why wait for Lort Smith? (if you are short of funds a litter will not help!!) its a few days. lort smith because i dont like my local vet and i have always gone to lort smith because my mother got her dog from there also any money there goes towards helping other animals in need I give up I can go to work and see this on a weekly basis......exept we have to mop up the mess. I am picturing many rescuers shouting at the screen. fifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 (edited) This bitch needs spaying yesterday. Yes that quickly. You said you are not a back yard breeder but if this litter does eventuate that's just what you'll be another back yard breeder. Their are a lot of pound people and rescuers out there that are banging their heads at the moment because they will be the ones having to mop up your MISTAKE. Get the bitch spayed as soon as possible for her sake as well as yours. Edited June 6, 2010 by oakway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missymoo Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Agree with fifi, why wait for Lort Smith? (if you are short of funds a litter will not help!!) its a few days. lort smith because i dont like my local vet and i have always gone to lort smith because my mother got her dog from there also any money there goes towards helping other animals in need Isnt an accident litter contributing to 'animals in need??' (sorry couldnt resist.) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzat Xolo Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 it has been approx 4 1/2 weeks since bully was here and could have gotten to saffron. today while having a lay in the sun and a rub of the belly i felt what seemed to b hard balls in saffrons stomach and it is a lot tighter also in the last week her nipples have gotten alot bigger. i have called lort smith who cant fit her in until next week, but they said she sounds like bully did get to saffron. so even tho im not 100% certain she is pregnant id like to start preparing for what i need to do and what extra care she needs like certain foods etc. so any advice would be appreicated.please no flaming i had no clue she was in heat and took in a local stray at the time. Stef I think you will find the aswers the same as last time you asked a similar question, everyone has the Dogs best interests at heart and those of the unborn cross bred pupies she is carrying. The INJ option is by far the bst, noone is condemming you as a BYB breeder and YES accidents happen to the very best pure bred breeders too, good luck with the desexing. I think you know what is the right course of action to take, do whats best for all concerened. Best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andisa Posted June 6, 2010 Share Posted June 6, 2010 Agree with fifi, why wait for Lort Smith? (if you are short of funds a litter will not help!!) its a few days. lort smith because i dont like my local vet and i have always gone to lort smith because my mother got her dog from there also any money there goes towards helping other animals in need Isnt an accident litter contributing to 'animals in need??' (sorry couldnt resist.) :D Yep - I also thought the same thing and the Lort Smith is also cheaper than most vets. Years ago my OH asked me to call them about spaying a stray cat we took in, the cost was heaps cheaper than we were quoted locally but the distance didn't make it worth while. Nothing wrong with hunting around for cheaper service but if that is adding on extra vital days what is the point. AND if the cost is an issue now - just wait until the pups come along as already mentioned...... I still can't get my head around anyone allowing such a young large breed bitch to have a litter....she is still a baby herself. Stef - have you even thought about what would happen if she is too young to cope with motherhood and rejects the litter. Some will be great mums while others will kill or just refuse to accept them..what then? I am really hoping that she isn't even in whelp and just having a beauty of a phantom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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