Puppies Registration Papers

[whippets]

The papers for my recent puppy which I got on collection were in the breeders name with the transfer signed over to me on the day. I then did the transfer, but at least I had the papers to transfer into my name, I guess similar to buying a car with the rego papers

Ummm sorry but that is against the rules of ANKC. The breeder must transfer the papers.

The breeder you got your dog from just saved themselves some money by having you pay for it and if they did this with every pup (especially in large litters) they are getting away with a small fortune.

There is also no way to know for sure that the new owners have done the transfer, which if not the dog is still technically in the breeders name and can be blamed if anything happens.

I give a copy of the pedigree in the pups folder and the original pedigree is sent out to them in a few weeks.

Have never had a problem doing it this way and have never had buyers question me.

Have been doing it this way for 16 years.

Leanne

Hey Leanne, I never knew that, have you got a reference or link handy you can post in here. I have always received my papers with the breeders signatures on the back in the mail for me to sign and send to Dogs NSW and had to pay for my own transfers of nearly $50 I think per dog....

Yep and we know the kind of breeders they are... the one's who whack everything on the main register , regarldess of them not being of show potential.

Not really the kind of breeder I aspire to be like.

No names need to be mentioned - "no breeders restrictions", at least the advert has changed from only dogs with major faults should be placed on limited register....

umm yes i am interested in this too. After the hell I went through to get my papers, it was sent to me with the breeders signature on the back and it has been left upto me to send it in :D

Do you live in Victoria? If so then it is up to you to transfer the papers in your own name and pay the fee, not the breeder. It is the breeders initial responsability to register the litter of course.

Yes I live in Victoria but the breeder lives in Queensland, the papers were posted to me from the breeder.

Ah I see. From QLD, the breeder should have sent them in to the CCCQ and the CCCQ send them to you.

hmm so what should I do in this instance? Can I just send them in myself? I do not think its fair that I should fork out more money considering I have already been ripped off but its been such a bad situation that I really do not have the energy to get into another mess :D

To save yourself any more stress just send them in to the CCCQ yourself, pay the fee and be done with it. Thank heaven you got the back signed. That can be a hassle in itself if the breeders don't do that.

[ellz]

Rather than all the giggly emoticons, why doesn't someone give an educated response to BBs posts...

Because BB doesn't WANT an educated response. BB wants to argue. BB knows ALL of the answers. I would hasten a guess that the combined knowledge base in this thread would add up to over a century of experience, yet BB who it would seem is NOT an experienced dog breeder knows more than all of us combined.

[Bilbo Baggins]

Copied from the website

Transfers and Leases

20. (a) When the ownership of a registered dog has been changed, or a lease arranged, the transferor or lessor as the case maybe shall lodge an application to register the transfer or lease accompanied by the prescribed fee with the Executive Officer within fourteen days of such disposition.

(b) The pedigree must not be given to the new owner until it has been transferred in accordance with these Rules.

© The application for registration of a transfer or lease of a dog shall be signed by the transferor or lessor as the case maybe.

(d) Any special conditions relating to the transfer or lease of a registered dog shall be set out on a Statutory Declaration and shall be signed by all parties involved in the agreement

About 7 years ago I sold a Basset to a family in Qld, she was on limited rego and sold as a pet, I just signed the back of the papers for them to put in their own name. A couple years later I get a phone call from the Qld CC blasting me for mating my limited rego bitch. The family decided they wanted a litter from their pet, took her to breeder (one of the biggest breeders in Qld) who mated her without looking at the papers. After many phone calls and a hell of a lot of stress I was lucky to not end up with afine or worse. It pays for breeders to do the transfer themselves.

Leanne

Ozstar in Vic the tranferee has to be a member before the dog can go in their name.

The paper work that came with my last litter has info on the companion membership in which a limited registered dog can be transferred.

[Black Bronson]

What's the thread about whippets???, someone who hasn't got their papers from the breeder yeah???. So........you are in support of breeders withholding papers and providing owners with false promises???

As I mentioned previously, if it's fair to promise the papers at a later date, it's fair for the owner to promise full payment when the papers arrive. That scenario would sharpen a few breeders up who mess people around as per the OP's topic :D

[whippets]

I don't think Dog's Vic offer anything for any type of pet only owner to even consider becoming a member. It's expensive to join and they get...well.....nothing. Thus far my limited register pups go with signed papers and that pretty much is where it ends as far as involvement with Dogs Vic.

Anyway back on topic

[jata]

The papers for my recent puppy which I got on collection were in the breeders name with the transfer signed over to me on the day. I then did the transfer, but at least I had the papers to transfer into my name, I guess similar to buying a car with the rego papers

Ummm sorry but that is against the rules of ANKC. The breeder must transfer the papers.

The breeder you got your dog from just saved themselves some money by having you pay for it and if they did this with every pup (especially in large litters) they are getting away with a small fortune.

There is also no way to know for sure that the new owners have done the transfer, which if not the dog is still technically in the breeders name and can be blamed if anything happens.

I give a copy of the pedigree in the pups folder and the original pedigree is sent out to them in a few weeks.

Have never had a problem doing it this way and have never had buyers question me.

Have been doing it this way for 16 years.

Leanne

Hey Leanne, I never knew that, have you got a reference or link handy you can post in here. I have always received my papers with the breeders signatures on the back in the mail for me to sign and send to Dogs NSW and had to pay for my own transfers of nearly $50 I think per dog....

Yep and we know the kind of breeders they are... the one's who whack everything on the main register , regarldess of them not being of show potential.

Not really the kind of breeder I aspire to be like.

No names need to be mentioned - "no breeders restrictions", at least the advert has changed from only dogs with major faults should be placed on limited register....

umm yes i am interested in this too. After the hell I went through to get my papers, it was sent to me with the breeders signature on the back and it has been left upto me to send it in :D

Do you live in Victoria? If so then it is up to you to transfer the papers in your own name and pay the fee, not the breeder. It is the breeders initial responsability to register the litter of course.

Yes I live in Victoria but the breeder lives in Queensland, the papers were posted to me from the breeder.

Ah I see. From QLD, the breeder should have sent them in to the CCCQ and the CCCQ send them to you.

hmm so what should I do in this instance? Can I just send them in myself? I do not think its fair that I should fork out more money considering I have already been ripped off but its been such a bad situation that I really do not have the energy to get into another mess :D

To save yourself any more stress just send them in to the CCCQ yourself, pay the fee and be done with it. Thank heaven you got the back signed. That can be a hassle in itself if the breeders don't do that.

Thanks Whippets, think that is a good idea! the only reason I got the back signed is because the Dams owner is the name on the certificate, not the Sires owner which is where the problems were.

[nobul]

In South Australia the BREEEDER has to transfer the papers to the new owner. By the time the litter is registered and we get the papers back , then transfer them to the new owners it can take a few months. We can not do any of this on line either so when a puppy is sold i wait till they are nearly all gone before i go (to their office as i dont trust Australia Post not to loose them) and transfer them i think we have 14 days after the sale. So the new puppy buyer can have a fair wait. I always give them in their folder a space with and A4 printed letter satating " Your puppy is registered with DOGSA this is where your Limited registration paper goes, this may take months to recieve , The puppy will be in you name you will recieve the registration paper directly from them, if you have any concerns at all please contact me and i will let you know their progress"

Once i transfer them i then direct all calls and enquires to DOGSSA. I have to admit though the last few litters they have been super quick in a matter of weeks.

Oh and BTW i use the Limited Register on every thing i do not keep for myself, people are buying from me first and foremost a family pet, and yes they are made FULLy aware of this fact and what it means.

[stormie]

Rather than all the giggly emoticons, why doesn't someone give an educated response to BBs posts...

Because BB doesn't WANT an educated response. BB wants to argue. BB knows ALL of the answers. I would hasten a guess that the combined knowledge base in this thread would add up to over a century of experience, yet BB who it would seem is NOT an experienced dog breeder knows more than all of us combined.

Ok, what about people like me? I want to know what's so funny about what was said? I don't know an awful lot about showing, so I'm not sure if everyone's laughing because of the use of the term 'disqualifying fault' or just because of BB's attitude???

[whippets]

What's the thread about whippets???, someone who hasn't got their papers from the breeder yeah???. So........you are in support of breeders withholding papers and providing owners with false promises???

As I mentioned previously, if it's fair to promise the papers at a later date, it's fair for the owner to promise full payment when the papers arrive. That scenario would sharpen a few breeders up who mess people around as per the OP's topic :D

yes yes we are all evil horrible people and you are the shining star consumer advocate.

[ellz]

Rather than all the giggly emoticons, why doesn't someone give an educated response to BBs posts...

Because BB doesn't WANT an educated response. BB wants to argue. BB knows ALL of the answers. I would hasten a guess that the combined knowledge base in this thread would add up to over a century of experience, yet BB who it would seem is NOT an experienced dog breeder knows more than all of us combined.

Ok, what about people like me? I want to know what's so funny about what was said? I don't know an awful lot about showing, so I'm not sure if everyone's laughing because of the use of the term 'disqualifying fault' or just because of BB's attitude???

It's not you Stormie. It's BB's attitude.

[Black Bronson]

Unless a puppy has obvious disqualifying faults that deem them ineligible to be shown, they are all show quality in reality.

:D

Are you saying that show quality means the potential to win a show :D It's not about the potential to win, any main registered pure breed is eligible for show entry in most situations and the judging determines the better examples of the breed.

BB - in our breed (Danes) there are no disqualifying faults. There are, however, unaccepted colours, which I think is what you were getting at.

In my breed GSD's, they do define disqualifying faults.........coat faults, colour, teeth irregularities, ear carriage and a few others that cause a disqualified show entry and the registration placed on limited.

[Bilbo Baggins]

I don't think Dog's Vic offer anything for any type of pet only owner to even consider becoming a member. It's expensive to join and they get...well.....nothing. Thus far my limited register pups go with signed papers and that pretty much is where it ends as far as involvement with Dogs Vic.

Anyway back on topic

whippets it is obviously new got info last week with my papers. Cost $30.

ETA. From VCA

Transfer Main/Limited Register Member $28.10

Transfer Limited Register Non-Member $38.10

That never used to be there.

Must investigate tomorrow.

Edited May 26, 2010 by Bilbo Baggins

[RallyValley]

What's the thread about whippets???, someone who hasn't got their papers from the breeder yeah???. So........you are in support of breeders withholding papers and providing owners with false promises???

As I mentioned previously, if it's fair to promise the papers at a later date, it's fair for the owner to promise full payment when the papers arrive. That scenario would sharpen a few breeders up who mess people around as per the OP's topic :D

BB I was under the impression most pet owners were paying for the puppy, not the paperwork.

[whippets]

$30 isn't so bad. None of my pet owners are interested in joining Dogs Vic. Most of my pets go as family pets. No flyball, no competetive obedience. I think they need to look at other avenues for gaining membership on top of these kinds of activities.

I'm not saying I have the answers but the memberships are decling yet pedigree pets are still very popular.

food for thought anyway.

[Bilbo Baggins]

$30 isn't so bad. None of my pet owners are interested in joining Dogs Vic. Most of my pets go as family pets. No flyball, no competetive obedience. I think they need to look at other avenues for gaining membership on top of these kinds of activities.

I'm not saying I have the answers but the memberships are decling yet pedigree pets are still very popular.

food for thought anyway.

whippets I just added a bit. I had planned to join up the puppy owners and transfer the dog thus total cost would have been $58.10

But if you can transfer to non member at $38.10 much cheaper.

[Black Bronson]

Rather than all the giggly emoticons, why doesn't someone give an educated response to BBs posts...

Because BB doesn't WANT an educated response. BB wants to argue. BB knows ALL of the answers. I would hasten a guess that the combined knowledge base in this thread would add up to over a century of experience, yet BB who it would seem is NOT an experienced dog breeder knows more than all of us combined.

Ellz, what you are trying to educate me with, is a comfort zone that some breeders fall into that they think is fair practice. I understand why some don't provide papers on collection...........but to cover yourself to help avoid the situation that the OP has raised, witholding final payment from the breeder until the papers arrive and the deal is completed is also fair practice in the circumstances. Naturally the breeders wouldn't like the idea of money being withheld anymore than the owners like chasing their papers for months from breeders too lazy to honour their obligation in a reasonable time. When you have paid the money and upheld your end of the deal, to have to suffer with dramas trying to obtain your papers has got knobs on it and shouldn't happen.

[ellz]

Rather than all the giggly emoticons, why doesn't someone give an educated response to BBs posts...

Because BB doesn't WANT an educated response. BB wants to argue. BB knows ALL of the answers. I would hasten a guess that the combined knowledge base in this thread would add up to over a century of experience, yet BB who it would seem is NOT an experienced dog breeder knows more than all of us combined.

Ellz, what you are trying to educate me with, is a comfort zone that some breeders fall into that they think is fair practice. I understand why some don't provide papers on collection...........but to cover yourself to help avoid the situation that the OP has raised, witholding final payment from the breeder until the papers arrive and the deal is completed is also fair practice in the circumstances. Naturally the breeders wouldn't like the idea of money being withheld anymore than the owners like chasing their papers for months from breeders too lazy to honour their obligation in a reasonable time. When you have paid the money and upheld your end of the deal, to have to suffer with dramas trying to obtain your papers has got knobs on it and shouldn't happen.

BB, the breeders who cause issues for puppy purchasers are thankfully the minority. Why change or complain about a system which really does work well and has done for many years just because there are a few rotten apples in the barrel?

Part of the problem is that puppy purchasers do not take more care about selecting the breeders from whom they purchase their puppies, NOT the fact that the papers are not back from the canine controlling body etc.

[Casster17]

does anyone know how the OP's friend got on???

You all went a little OT for me to tell

[Black Bronson]

What's the thread about whippets???, someone who hasn't got their papers from the breeder yeah???. So........you are in support of breeders withholding papers and providing owners with false promises???

As I mentioned previously, if it's fair to promise the papers at a later date, it's fair for the owner to promise full payment when the papers arrive. That scenario would sharpen a few breeders up who mess people around as per the OP's topic

BB I was under the impression most pet owners were paying for the puppy, not the paperwork.

Registration is part of the transaction :D

[Janba]

BB Does the breeder withhold the new owner taking the pup till the papers are provided. With the hold ups etc by the CCs the pup may no longer be a baby and the new owner might not then want it. Would you have taken your pup at 14 weeks because of hold ups with the papers?

It took 3 months and 4 attempts to get the NSW registration papers with the correct pedigree for my dog despite the fact that the export pedigree was correct and that was with paying for express delivery after the first 2 attempts.