Pitbull = Amstaff

[greydobe]

And it starts....

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Ipswich has canine identity crisis

From: AAP May 24, 2010 4:48pm

IPSWICH City Council near Brisbane is doggone confused.

A Supreme Court decision has bequeathed it about 126 legal problems it could do without.

The council has legally registered around 126 American Staffordshire terriers which the Supreme Court in Queensland has deemed are actually American pit bulls.

The problem is, pit bulls are illegal in Ipswich under state and local laws.

The city's health and regulation committee chairman Andrew Antoniolli said the redefinition of the American Staffordshire was the result of a drawn-out court case on the Gold Coast.

"We are concerned that we have at least 126 of the 30,000 dogs registered in Ipswich which were identified on their registration as American Staffordshire terriers,'' Mr Antoniolli said.

However, the Supreme Court has deemed they are actually the same breed as American pit bulls.

The American pit bull terrier breed has been implicated in a number of serious and sometimes fatal dog attacks on people, as well as on other animals.

For the time being the registrations of American Staffordshire terriers will remain while Ipswich council seeks advice.

"We understand the Department of Infrastructure and Planning has sought legal advice and will forward that advice to councils for their information once they receive it,'' Mr Antoniolli said.

"We eagerly await that advice and will maintain the status quo until we hear from them.''

Mr Antoniolli said the court ruling would also impact on other councils in Queensland which have taken a similar stand on the breed, or breeds.

And spare a thought for the 126-odd American Staffordshire terriers.

Under Queensland law, pit bulls, if that's what the "staffies'' are, must be desexed.

[Dame Aussie]

Idiots

[GeckoTree]

Yeah you'd think the state would get a hurry on over making its decision. I know the attitude would be its only dogs so what though :D

[sandra64]

so now we live in fear for our beautiful dog

[greydobe]

One of the Ipswich City councillors is a DOL member. I hope he comes on to comment.

Cr Andrew Antoniolli

ETA name of councillor

Edited May 24, 2010 by greydobe

[GeckoTree]

Yeah thats the guy in the OP. A couple months ago he didnt even know what BSL was.

All those councils that prohibit the APBT would be in the same situation untill the state makes its decision.

They really should not prohibit them, what a waste of money going on pitbull hunts, and court cases etc. It's much better if they just follow the state requirement instead so long as this retarded laws exists or expands to the AST.

Edited May 24, 2010 by GeckoTree

[Black Bronson]

Ultimately, a court decision is based on the evidence provided on the day and a ruling that an APBT & Amstaff are the same breed determined from that evidence provided doesn't make it fact and needs to be challenged.

[Jsk]

One of the Ipswich City councillors is a DOL member. I hope he comes on to comment.

Cr Andrew Antoniolli

ETA name of councillor

REALLY!!

I am an Ipswich resident and would love to enlighten him on a few things regarding dogs in the Ipswich city council region!!

Starting with the 2 dogs that attacjed and killed my mothers birds. Wont mention the breeds as I will be accused of breed bashing but I will say bravo to the owners that actually had the balls to go up to my parents place and apologise and offer to pay for everything and anything as a way of apologising (only a young guy (maybe 22ish) and his wife, the guy even offered to mow my parents lawn to try and say sorry (sweet in a way), the council have been fantastic with it especially the ranger/ officer handling the case.

Same officer in ICC handling a different case not such a good outcome. Older lady walking her little fluffy on lead (does this every afternoon) and 2 dogs (labradors) come racing out of a yard and attacked her little fluufy, the little fluffy ended up with 121 stitches. It cost the old lady I think it was $900 in vet bills (I could be wrong though). All the old lady owner wants from the Labs owner is that they pay her vet bill (she had to borrow the money). There are 2 witnesses that seen this happen. Council officer/ ranger went and spoke to the Labs owners and they said that it wasnt there dogs and theres no dogs so nothing has been done about it and yes both witness's have made formal written statements.

Ok off my soap box now.

[Tilly]

So will this now basically means any staffy entering the pounds or being dumped really won't have much chance of being rehomed and is more likely to be PTS?

[tybrax]

Yeah thats the guy in the OP. A couple months ago he didnt even know what BSL was.

"Rubbish" He knows. Buddy story comes to mind.

tybrax

[geo]

Starting with the 2 dogs that attacjed and killed my mothers birds. Wont mention the breeds as I will be accused of breed bashing

Sorry to hear about your mums birds, and the owner doen the right thing. Don't worry about breed bashing, i'd fully expect my dogs to chase birds along with about 80% of the dog population of the world, let alone all the cats that continue to kill our native fauna. I'm not so sure we'll be able to take every natural instinct away from our domestic animals.

[Jsk]

Starting with the 2 dogs that attacjed and killed my mothers birds. Wont mention the breeds as I will be accused of breed bashing

Sorry to hear about your mums birds, and the owner doen the right thing. Don't worry about breed bashing, i'd fully expect my dogs to chase birds along with about 80% of the dog population of the world, let alone all the cats that continue to kill our native fauna. I'm not so sure we'll be able to take every natural instinct away from our domestic animals.

I'm not saying we should take away any natural instinct from any breed of dog, the breed I am going into is still very primitive and basically havent changed.

But it shouldnt be instinct for any dog to go into someones elses backyard and attack caged birds! But like i said the owners of the dogs were so so great!!

[Luvmy4]

I think potential owners should be morally tested into why they want apbt. previous dogs and what happened to them. In the right hands an abpt is an excellent pet the wrong it's a weapon and why would someone want one these days with so many restrictions?

[geo]

I think potential owners should be morally tested into why they want apbt. previous dogs and what happened to them. In the right hands an abpt is an excellent pet the wrong it's a weapon and why would someone want one these days with so many restrictions?

a weapon? the same could be said about any animal with teeth!!!

[geo]

Starting with the 2 dogs that attacjed and killed my mothers birds. Wont mention the breeds as I will be accused of breed bashing

Sorry to hear about your mums birds, and the owner doen the right thing. Don't worry about breed bashing, i'd fully expect my dogs to chase birds along with about 80% of the dog population of the world, let alone all the cats that continue to kill our native fauna. I'm not so sure we'll be able to take every natural instinct away from our domestic animals.

I'm not saying we should take away any natural instinct from any breed of dog, the breed I am going into is still very primitive and basically havent changed.

But it shouldnt be instinct for any dog to go into someones elses backyard and attack caged birds! But like i said the owners of the dogs were so so great!!

dogs don't understand "someone elses back yard", they don't understand cages unless they've been caged. but i know what you mean, i ceratinly wouldn't be happy about it, but it's not the dogs fault, they're just acting on urges that the owner has failed to curb or understand what anilmals are likely to do, it's why we walk them on leads 'cause we can't trust them not to run off or chase other animals, it's why we don't leave our plates on the floor full of food and not expect them to eat of it.

[Luvmy4]

I think potential owners should be morally tested into why they want apbt. previous dogs and what happened to them. In the right hands an abpt is an excellent pet the wrong it's a weapon and why would someone want one these days with so many restrictions?

a weapon? the same could be said about any animal with teeth!!!

Yeah it could be said but just the mentality of "some" pitbull buyers they get them never train or socialise them They escape their yard cause havoc it gives the rest bad names and regulations

[Slushie]

I do hope that the Councillor who may read this understands what this may mean for many families thinking of moving to QLD.

I currently live in Canberra, both my husband and I are professionals. I have been eagerly looking to purchase a property in Ipswich... Only issue is that I own 2 dogs. One a pure stafford and one a stafford mix. Both are larger than the regular stafford and I have been asked if they are amstaffs before - which they are not but I would love one!

This decision that they make will sway my decision whether or not to move. I will not, under any circumstances, put my dogs lifestyle or lives at risk!

I liken dog breed banning to telling someone that they cannot live in the community if they have children. My dogs ARE my children. If I cannot give them the life that they deserve where I want to live, I will not live there. It is a form of harassment - segregation if you will - I thought that Australian's were above this. Australian's are supposed to be the lucky ones, the free ones, yet the Government/Council etc are determining what type of dog you can have? :

People of Ipswich, please don't think that it will stop at the Amstaff, it will progress that all dogs are dangerous (which they all have the ability to be dangerous). With the rest of the world starting to relax BSL rules, why are we doing this?

I wonder how many people will leave Ipswich due to this?

Or like me, choose not to move there depending on what the outcome is?

These things also to be considered before the final decision is made.

[Zhou Xuanyao]

But it shouldnt be instinct for any dog to go into someones elses backyard and attack caged birds! But like i said the owners of the dogs were so so great!!

What ?

This is whats called a sympathetic fallacy. It means that people make up their own truth to suit their beliefs.

So for example, I do not like it that a dog came into my yard, broke into the bird cage and ate the birds, therefore I do not believe it is in a dogs instinct to do so. If it is not a dogs natural instinct to eat the neighbours birds, then it will happen less.

It IS in a dogs natural instinct to eat the neighbours birds, JSK

Edited May 27, 2010 by Lo Pan

[Adnil444]

I think potential owners should be morally tested into why they want apbt. previous dogs and what happened to them. In the right hands an abpt is an excellent pet the wrong it's a weapon and why would someone want one these days with so many restrictions?

I agree with you, but this will never happen so the councils and local governments do what they can and ban the breeds that they believe are responsible. Unfortunately the general public want something done about this. I wish people could be banned from owning certain dog breeds but in our society that won't happen. So they can't ban the owner, but they can ban the breed. I for one would never own a dog that looked liked or resembled in any way an ABPT - there are so many crosses and look alikes that even if it isn't an APBT, the general resemblance to the untrained eye will think that it is. You will always be blamed if something did go wrong and once more litigation comes into play, personally I do not think it is worth the risk. Others will and that's great, but it's not for me.

[sandra64]

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Edited May 28, 2010 by sandra64