1000km Rule Or National No Cc Rule

[Shaar]

I know how to take it oakway

[kelpiesrule]

Those that are stating "one weekend a year" isn't a big deal, from what I'm seeing on locations, generally live in areas where they can pick and choose shows at ease. Those that are against national CC restriction on a national weekend, live in areas where the number of shows is FAR less and as such one weekend IS a big deal. (not all, but many from what I"m seeing)

I agree totally about peoples decisions to attend a national because of a judge for example. There are a few out there that I wouldn't cross the street to be judged under, why would I sink my years holiday fund into driving many kms and showing to them simply because it's a National?

I also agree that the restriction on CC's will not increase the entry at a show. Based on past numbers of different breed national specialties, we've seen this to be true. (when the restriction was only state wide versus 1000km rule)

What about those that choose for whatever reason, to not belong to their breed club and as such will not participate in events sanctioned by them? There are many reasons for this, only a few including internal politics within the club, people unable to be members because someone within the club doesn't like them (or their partner), Disagreement with some or any of the policies sanctioned by the breed club (in the case where it can contradict the breed standard) I can go on and on, and all of these things have occured to people I know and all fairly recently. Why support a show, run by a club that you don't agree with on whatever level? We preach that by not entering under a judge, it's the only way to send that judge a message (lack of entry) if you feel they are not doing their job properly, and yet we are guilted into feeling that because we call a show a National specialty show, we MUST enter or we don't care about our breed! This is most definately not the case for a majority of people.

What about the person living on the fringes of the restriction, with a litter of pups? They can't be expected to drive 12 hours to the show, but have to give up the show twenty minutes down the road. It's not that they don't support their club, or the show, but reality kicks in and it is, what it is!

I think it's very short sighted to assume that because some people choose to not enter a National Specialty, they are chastised or worse, ostrasized for not doing so. As well, in my opinion, it is very short sighted to assume that everyone has access to the amount and variety of shows in my particular region (which there are many, within 3 hour drive if I chose to go) when in fact, many do not have this choice, and as such a national ban of CC's during the weekend of a Specialty could clearly cause someone to be less competative overall when it's all done and hung to dry.

I should add that we need to consider the all breed shows and what they can lose, in a time where entries are declining due to petrol prices and the economy in general. A club won't go broke because my one German Pinscher didn't attend, but when you see an entry of say 35 cavaliers for two days, that adds up....what if there was also a Golden Retriever show? Suddenly a club (in my area) could see a drop of 60 entries.....

As mentioned as well, why would someone in Darwin be penalized for not going to a National in Melbourne? I"m not sure I would appreciate my breed club, or the ANKC for that matter, attempting to hold my show plans hostage, which is what this is, in my opinion.

[kelpiesrule]

Oh and Kelpiesrule, with a breed of dog originating in Australia an international judge actually has little appeal for me, I would much rather compete under an Australian specialist judge. What is the point in going to the expense to compete under someone who has never even judged the breed before (well except in my case where it means I actually get a decent amount of competition )? And yes, that has happened at "Specialities" (and not talking about Kelpies there )

Im with you on this Mirawee, International judges are the biggest waste of time and money on our breeds... our club is trying to stop having International judges, but because we share, we have been told we will have to find out own sponsorship if we dont use their judges...

[Staffordz]

I hope if the Stafford clubs ever get their act together, to form an NBC, that they only move to hold Nationals every third or other year - as it is now we get 200 or so entries to normal club specialties so would be good to not have one every 5mins and make it that bit more of an event.

Justine

[Dellcara]

I hope if the Stafford clubs ever get their act together, to form an NBC, that they only move to hold Nationals every third or other year - as it is now we get 200 or so entries to normal club specialties so would be good to not have one every 5mins and make it that bit more of an event.

Justine

I agree Justine ... if our Cavalier KCS Clubs get a NBC I'd hope for the same thing .... but a "National" should be more than just a show anyway in my opinion.

The Nationals I've attended in the USA are fantastic .... going over 4 days .... seminars, workshops, dinners .....

[Bullbreedlover]

I am not voting as I believe that the their should be no such rule.

Maybe you should put up a spot for do away with the rule altogether.

So are you saying if a national is held in Melbourne and I wish to travel to Geelong (example only) to an All breeds show I can still get a challenge?? I think NOT.

My oath I'm saying it. Why should you or I be told where we can show our dogs and not receive challenges.

I call it discrimination. If you want to go to a National with your dog, good on you for going and I hope you win BIS, but those that do not wish to go, or can not afford to go, or think it is to far for them to drive, should not be penalized for wanting to go to a show elsewhere and receive a challenge.

I support your views Oakway

And add.. what if the exhibitor simply doesnt want to enter under that particular judge whom is judging the National show for what ever reason.

Not everyone wants to enter under a particular judge

[SkySoaringMagpie]

I agree Justine ... if our Cavalier KCS Clubs get a NBC I'd hope for the same thing .... but a "National" should be more than just a show anyway in my opinion.

The Nationals I've attended in the USA are fantastic .... going over 4 days .... seminars, workshops, dinners .....

I saw a photo from the Saluki National in the USA last year. It was of the obedience (yes, you read that right) and there were 8 Salukis lined up in a drop stay. I nearly died of envy on the spot.

[Weizone]

The German Shepherd National is held annually. We have dogs exhibited all three days, sires progeny is presented and breeders groups are presented. Has it lost its appeal to the enthuasists? HELL NO.

No Challenges should be awarded nationally when a breed national is being conducted.

[SwaY]

If there is a NATIONAL breed show do you think it should be:

No CC's handed out at any show AUSTRALIA WIDE [ 57 ] ** [60.00%]

No CC's within 1000kms of the show (the current ruling) [ 38 ] ** [40.00%]

[Shaar]

I voted for Australia wide because the Tassie option wasn't given to us.

If we have to miss out then WA and NT should too.

[SwaY]

One in, all i say