1000km Rule Or National No Cc Rule

[Aziah]

No, you're right SBT123 but some people would be of the "can't get points, why bother" mentality rather than thinking of it as the usual day out and having a good time!

[SkySoaringMagpie]

You know, I would happily sacrifice getting an All Breeds CC on one weekend of the year to have the opportunity to show at a National in my breed. Even if they held the first one in Perth and I had no hope of getting there. Many of us don't get the opportunity at all and are envious of breeds who have been able to keep enough state clubs together to make it happen.

[Aziah]

I travelled (with 2 dogs) by air to our National in Adelaide at the age of 17 so you either want to go and make it happen or you don't!

Edited May 11, 2010 by Aziah

[Keshwar]

I chose not to go to the Afghan National in Melbourne this year. Instead I showed at a local show, that advertised no CCs for Afghans, as did another Afghan exhibitor. My Baby took out Baby in Group and the other Afghan took out Puppy in Show. Needless to say the lack of points didn't bother either of us. Plus I had a top day with friends at a local show.

The reasoning I see behind this rule is to stop people picking of "easy" points while the opposition is at the National Breed Show. I fully support this and like many voted no points Aust wide.

If showing your dog is ALL about points then I suggest you find another hobby/sport as this one will only reduce you to tears.

[Rebanne]

You know, I would happily sacrifice getting an All Breeds CC on one weekend of the year to have the opportunity to show at a National in my breed. Even if they held the first one in Perth and I had no hope of getting there.

X 2 :D

[oakway]

There's nothing stopping people from entering, we still had a Lab entry on the weekend, even though the National was on.

No one is saying you can't enter. Good on those that did.

I am sure the club appreciated the entries. :D

But why should those exhibitors be discriminated against because they did not go to their National.

I have never been to a Whippet National and as far as I am aware I never will be able to. (unless I win Lotto LOL)

But why stop me from taking my dogs to a show where I can obtain points. Is that punishment because I didn't go ?.

Remember I did say those that did not go were discriminated against.

So be careful with your answers. ;)

I have also said those that live a long way away only have to keep going to a local show that is out of the 1000 km zone and may show with points.

Again, why should I suffer just because I live closer to the National and can't afford to go.

[oakway]

I chose not to go to the Afghan National in Melbourne this year. Instead I showed at a local show, that advertised no CCs for Afghans, as did another Afghan exhibitor. My Baby took out Baby in Group and the other Afghan took out Puppy in Show. Needless to say the lack of points didn't bother either of us. Plus I had a top day with friends at a local show.

The reasoning I see behind this rule is to stop people picking of "easy" points while the opposition is at the National Breed Show. I fully support this and like many voted no points Aust wide.

If showing your dog is ALL about points then I suggest you find another hobby/sport as this one will only reduce you to tears.

Hi Keshwar,

I am going to put my normal signature on the bottom of this reply. :D

After seeing it do you really think dog showing would reduce me to tears.

I more than likely may not even go to a show if a National was on for my two breeds, I might not even like the judge that is judging on the day. I could possibly show my other breed and have a lovely day. But it's not about me, it's about all the others that will miss out on points just because of the 1000 km rule and the fact they can't attend their National for various reasons. Why punish them with no points. ;)

Jill Marks

Oakway Whippets

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[MolassesLass]

But why stop me from taking my dogs to a show where I can obtain points. Is that punishment because I didn't go ?.

It's a method of encouraging people to attend nationals while also a way to discourage the gaining of undeserved points while the competition is away. The "bad" dogs shouldn't be awarded because they avoided the show with the "good" dogs that weekend (whether by choice or circumstance). If you can't get points anywhere except the national then maybe more people will start going. Otherwise they won't and they'll have a lovely weekend of non-dog activities. I can't see the big deal for either exhibitors having a weekend off or for clubs losing some entries occasionally.

You would feel "discriminated against" because you couldn't get points for your breed one weekend a year at most?

[oakway]

But why stop me from taking my dogs to a show where I can obtain points. Is that punishment because I didn't go ?.

It's a method of encouraging people to attend nationals while also a way to discourage the gaining of undeserved points while the competition is away. The "bad" dogs shouldn't be awarded because they avoided the show with the "good" dogs that weekend (whether by choice or circumstance). If you can't get points anywhere except the national then maybe more people will start going. Otherwise they won't and they'll have a lovely weekend of non-dog activities. I can't see the big deal for either exhibitors having a weekend off or for clubs losing some entries occasionally.

You would feel "discriminated against" because you couldn't get points for your breed one weekend a year at most?

Nah, wouldn't bother me in the least.

But it's not about me. It's about all the other people that would love to go to a show and show with points awarded.

Just because you can't attend should not mean that points should not be awarded to worthy specimens of the breed. If the dogs are not worthy the judge has the right to non award.

[MolassesLass]

Ok, well when you're next talking to all these other people, ask them to come in and explain why one weekend a year is such a big deal to them. :D

[oakway]

Ok, well when you're next talking to all these other people, ask them to come in and explain why one weekend a year is such a big deal to them. :D

Most people won't say anything on an open list, they are concerned that they will rock the boat.

But then I have been rocking boats all around the country for years. ;)

[Max]

Don't care either way But everyone is saying its only one weekend a year you don't get points so don't go, but on the other hand if points were given out to a dog that went to an all breeds show and got points because all the "good Dogs" were at the national, who's cares about 6 points CC !! Work it out if they went to one show a year got that 1) 6 point cc how long would it take to title that dog ;) :D Also the judge should be honest enough if the dog is that bad that it needs to do this to get points then they can always refuse the cc.. But anyway.......

[BittyMooPeeb]

You know, I would happily sacrifice getting an All Breeds CC on one weekend of the year to have the opportunity to show at a National in my breed. Even if they held the first one in Perth and I had no hope of getting there. Many of us don't get the opportunity at all and are envious of breeds who have been able to keep enough state clubs together to make it happen.

Agree :D

I also voted Australia wide.

[SwaY]

I also voted Australia wide.

[kelpiesrule]

But why stop me from taking my dogs to a show where I can obtain points. Is that punishment because I didn't go ?.

It's a method of encouraging people to attend nationals while also a way to discourage the gaining of undeserved points while the competition is away. The "bad" dogs shouldn't be awarded because they avoided the show with the "good" dogs that weekend (whether by choice or circumstance). If you can't get points anywhere except the national then maybe more people will start going. Otherwise they won't and they'll have a lovely weekend of non-dog activities. I can't see the big deal for either exhibitors having a weekend off or for clubs losing some entries occasionally.

You would feel "discriminated against" because you couldn't get points for your breed one weekend a year at most?

Hey, my dogs are top winning dogs ! Just because I dont go to a national does that mean its because I have 'bad' dogs?? Not all the good dogs go to Nationals... It is not about easy points, I can easily get the points with the competition !

[kelpiesrule]

I chose not to go to the Afghan National in Melbourne this year. Instead I showed at a local show, that advertised no CCs for Afghans, as did another Afghan exhibitor. My Baby took out Baby in Group and the other Afghan took out Puppy in Show. Needless to say the lack of points didn't bother either of us. Plus I had a top day with friends at a local show.

The reasoning I see behind this rule is to stop people picking of "easy" points while the opposition is at the National Breed Show. I fully support this and like many voted no points Aust wide.

If showing your dog is ALL about points then I suggest you find another hobby/sport as this one will only reduce you to tears.

Hi Keshwar,

I am going to put my normal signature on the bottom of this reply.

After seeing it do you really think dog showing would reduce me to tears.

I more than likely may not even go to a show if a National was on for my two breeds, I might not even like the judge that is judging on the day. I could possibly show my other breed and have a lovely day. But it's not about me, it's about all the others that will miss out on points just because of the 1000 km rule and the fact they can't attend their National for various reasons. Why punish them with no points.

Jill Marks

Oakway Whippets

[email protected]

The Home Of Champions

BIS BISS + INTERNATIONAL CHAMPIONS.

The judge is also important too... if the National judge was someone I thought didnt have a clue, but there was a cracker of a judge at home.. why would I go to the National ??? I understand that people are saying I dont have to show the weekend of the National.. but why should I be penalised for wanting to? And I will tell you now... if there was a Kelpie National... and it was held interstate, myself and the majority of my competitors would not go anyway... so all of us would be sitting around not showing that weekend?? or as others have said we could show for the fun of it... ??

[MolassesLass]

But why stop me from taking my dogs to a show where I can obtain points. Is that punishment because I didn't go ?.

It's a method of encouraging people to attend nationals while also a way to discourage the gaining of undeserved points while the competition is away. The "bad" dogs shouldn't be awarded because they avoided the show with the "good" dogs that weekend (whether by choice or circumstance). If you can't get points anywhere except the national then maybe more people will start going. Otherwise they won't and they'll have a lovely weekend of non-dog activities. I can't see the big deal for either exhibitors having a weekend off or for clubs losing some entries occasionally.

You would feel "discriminated against" because you couldn't get points for your breed one weekend a year at most?

Hey, my dogs are top winning dogs ! Just because I dont go to a national does that mean its because I have 'bad' dogs?? Not all the good dogs go to Nationals... It is not about easy points, I can easily get the points with the competition !

Is that really what you got from my post?!

You've already said you don't have a national for your breed, so it's really a stretch to find anything I said applicable to you but no, just because an exhibitor doesn't attend the national for their breed does not mean their dogs are bad (clearly not what I said if you read it). However, there are exhbitors who travel long distances, avoid the popular judges/shows and who enter complete shockers to make more points for their best dog when they think it will just be them. So I'd rather see a nation-wide no CCs rule when a national is on, to encourage everyone to go and to stop the few who purposely don't go so as to try for easy points.

Re the bolded bit, well I think they should and I think this as a rule would help that become the case.

[Jsk]

no surprise that I voted "No CC's Australia wide" ....

it's unfortunate that the show schedules discussec didn't mention that no CC's were on offer .. but really ... who doesn't know when their

National show is being held ????

I have been involved with 2 breeds recently and I only knew when one breeds natinal was because it was held up here. The other breed I got told about a month or so before it was on (interstate).

I travelled (with 2 dogs) by air to our National in Adelaide at the age of 17 so you either want to go and make it happen or you don't!

Good on you. But not everyone can travel for a national. Its not only money and time constraints but also other commitments, myself I am a single mother with 3 kids I cant just take off for a week interstate, the expenses would get crazy having to take the family and also my children have school and commitments too.

But why stop me from taking my dogs to a show where I can obtain points. Is that punishment because I didn't go ?.

It's a method of encouraging people to attend nationals while also a way to discourage the gaining of undeserved points while the competition is away. The "bad" dogs shouldn't be awarded because they avoided the show [/b]with the "good" dogs that weekend (whether by choice or circumstance). If you can't get points anywhere except the national then maybe more people will start going. Otherwise they won't and they'll have a lovely weekend of non-dog activities. I can't see the big deal for either exhibitors having a weekend off or for clubs losing some entries occasionally.

You would feel "discriminated against" because you couldn't get points for your breed one weekend a year at most?

Hey, my dogs are top winning dogs ! Just because I dont go to a national does that mean its because I have 'bad' dogs?? Not all the good dogs go to Nationals... It is not about easy points, I can easily get the points with the competition !

Is that really what you got from my post?!

You've already said you don't have a national for your breed, so it's really a stretch to find anything I said applicable to you but no, just because an exhibitor doesn't attend the national for their breed does not mean their dogs are bad (clearly not what I said if you read it). However, there are exhbitors who travel long distances, avoid the popular judges/shows and who enter complete shockers to make more points for their best dog when they think it will just be them. So I'd rather see a nation-wide no CCs rule when a national is on, to encourage everyone to go and to stop the few who purposely don't go so as to try for easy points.

Re the bolded bit, well I think they should and I think this as a rule would help that become the case.

So you think that if the made it an Australian wide ban oc CC's on the day a natinal show is held, that it would encourage people to take there dogs to the national? No it wouldnt. As others have said people will go or they wont regardless of what the rule is.

Molasseslass ~ The parts in the red is what I have taken as you have said the good dogs all go to nationals and those that dont take there dogs have bad dogs.

[MolassesLass]

So you think that if the made it an Australian wide ban oc CC's on the day a natinal show is held, that it would encourage people to take there dogs to the national? No it wouldnt. As others have said people will go or they wont regardless of what the rule is.

Yes that's what I think, that's why I've posted it a few times now. You think differently - viva la difference.

Molasseslass ~ The parts in the red is what I have taken as you have said the good dogs all go to nationals and those that dont take there dogs have bad dogs.

I'd guessed which parts were misread but they don't say what you are or kelpiesrules have inferred.

"It's a method of encouraging people to attend nationals while also a way to discourage the gaining of undeserved points while the competition is away."

It doesn't say that any points gained at non-national shows on the national show weekend are undeserved. The more correct word was "stop" not "discourage" but it still doesn't say what you are implying.

The "bad" dogs shouldn't be awarded because they avoided the show with the "good" dogs that weekend (whether by choice or circumstance).

The sentence says bad dogs shouldn't be awarded CCs because the better dogs are at the national, it doesn't say that any dog that doesn't go to the national is a bad dog.

If you don't have bad dogs and don't get underserved points then what I said has absolutely nothing to do with you.

[mirawee]

This thread is very interesting reading

What is very interesting is that the majority of people who want a blanket wide ban on CCs are from the states that are most likely to, or are closest to, where the Nationals are likely to be held ;)

The other interesting thing is that people keep saying that the only thing you miss out on with no CC being awarded are points. Personally I couldn't care less about points ( ) However I am not going to bother attending a show where my dog can't be awarded BOB (no CC=no BOB) and so can't represent the breed competing for BIG. Yes, you can get a class in Group - if you don't get knocked out by the BIG/rBIG winners (who you may have beaten if you could have competed!).

Finally, I would be fine with a blanket ban on CCs only if Nationals were rotated between all States and so everyone had to occasionally make the decision about paying several thousands of dollars and take time off from the rest of their life in order to compete at a dog show.

Oh and Kelpiesrule, with a breed of dog originating in Australia an international judge actually has little appeal for me, I would much rather compete under an Australian specialist judge. What is the point in going to the expense to compete under someone who has never even judged the breed before (well except in my case where it means I actually get a decent amount of competition )? And yes, that has happened at "Specialities" (and not talking about Kelpies there :D )