1000km Rule Or National No Cc Rule

[SwaY]

A Follow on from the GSD National thread

If there is a NATIONAL breed show do you think it should be:

No CC's handed out at any show AUSTRALIA WIDE

or

No CC's within 1000kms of the show (the current ruling is 1000km as the crow flies)

[oakway]

I am not voting as I believe that the their should be no such rule.

Maybe you should put up a spot for do away with the rule altogether.

Edited May 10, 2010 by oakway

[capanash]

I voted no CC's Australia wide... the show is a NATIONAL and I feel these events should be fully supported. A national shouldn't be another champ show... there needs to be rules like this to make it 'special'.

Dictionary definition of NATIONAL (just to be silly :D )

1. of or having to do with a nation or the nation

2. affecting a (or the) nation as a whole; nationwide in scope, involvement, representation, etc.

points to note (from the Poodle National perspective)...

- Nationals aren't held every year

- they rotate around cities

- this rule would effect maybe 2 shows in one weekend around your show area in 2yrs

Edited May 10, 2010 by capanash

[Weizone]

I am not voting as I believe that the their should be no such rule.

Maybe you should put up a spot for do away with the rule altogether.

So are you saying if a national is held in Melbourne and I wish to travel to Geelong (example only) to an All breeds show I can still get a challenge?? I think NOT.

[oakway]

I am not voting as I believe that the their should be no such rule.

Maybe you should put up a spot for do away with the rule altogether.

So are you saying if a national is held in Melbourne and I wish to travel to Geelong (example only) to an All breeds show I can still get a challenge?? I think NOT.

My oath I'm saying it. :D Why should you or I be told where we can show our dogs and not receive challenges.

I call it discrimination. If you want to go to a National with your dog, good on you for going and I hope you win BIS, but those that do not wish to go, or can not afford to go, or think it is to far for them to drive, should not be penalized for wanting to go to a show elsewhere and receive a challenge.

[Gottalovealab]

I call it discrimination.

I think that is blowing it WAY out of proportion.

Anyway, i'm voting for Australia Wide.

[Pockets]

I voted No Cc Australia Wide, as stated it's a National show, it's one weekend a year, if you don't want to go that's fine but I hardly think missing one weekend of an all breeds show is the end of the world :D

[capanash]

The ANKC breed conference is to be held on the 26th of June in Sydney this year. One of the agena items is this very topic. If you want to have your say then talk to your breed councils and get them to support of reject this motion.

5.8 ANKC Regulations Part 13, Clause 4.2.5

National Border Collie Council

THAT the ANKC be requested to amend 4.2.5 to read: Where a National

show is held, no Challenge Certificates shall be awarded in Australia for the

breed/s involved in the National Show on that/those day/s.

Rationale:

The rule was amended to 500 km. [the change to above Clause 4.2.5 from

1000km to 500km to be implemented as from 1 January 2010. (Amended

10/08, 7.1)] without consultation with clubs which had already agreed to host

National Shows. The rule is discriminatory and should apply to the whole of

Australia or not at all.

This is what was discussed at last years (2009) conference on the topic:

2.3 Amendment to ANKC Regulations Part 13, Clause 4.2.5

(Refer Minutes 17.10.09, Item 6.3.2)

Discussed: Oct 08, Item 7.1

Discussed: Jul 09, Item 2.14

CCCQ

That the ANKC Regulations 13 Part 4.2.5 that states that 'where a National

Show is held, no Challenge Certificates shall be awarded for the breed/s

involved in the National Show, within a radius of 1000km from the show on

that day/s' be amended to reduce the distance from 1000km to 500km

Rationale:

The distance is excessive and is causing problems in Qld. For example the

National Dalmatian Show on 18 April 2010 to be hosted by Dalmatian Club of

NSW causes a problem with the Kennel Association of Queensland Show

(one of Qld's oldest Club Shows) as no Challenge Certificates can be given

at this Show. The CCCQ at present cannot award Challenges when a

National Show is held in Sydney (733km) or Canberra (945km), this is felt to

be very excessive. The ACTCA is also greatly affected at present and cannot

award Challenges when a National Show is held in any of the 'Eastern

Capitals' (including Adelaide). I attach below a table of distances for

reference.

Brisbane Sydney Canberra Melbourne Hobart Adelaide

Brisbane 0 733 945 1373 1788 1600

Sydney 733 0 247.4 712 1056 1161

Canberra 945 247.4 0 465 857 958

Melbourne 1373 712 465 0 597 654

Hobart 1788 1056 857 597 0 1161

Adelaide 1600 1161 958 654 1161 0

It was RESOLVED that the ANKC Regulations 13 Part 4.2.5 that states that

'where a National Show is held, no Challenge Certificates shall be awarded

for the breed/s involved in the National Show, within a radius of 1000km from

the show on that day/s' be amended to reduce the distance from 1000km to

500km.

It was unanimously RESOLVED that the change to Regulations 13 Part 4.2.5

be implemented from 1 January 2010.

AGENDA of the conference of National Breed Councils – 26.06.2010 6

Mrs. Merchant referred delegates to the recommendation from the NBSCG

contained in their tabled report.

Delegates concurred with the recommendation that the change to the

distance in Clause 4.2.5 from 1000kms to 500kms should revert back to

1000km to protect national shows.

It was unanimously RESOLVED on the motion of G Acreman/J MacDonald

that the NBSCG recommendation be endorsed that the ANKC delegates

reconsider their decision moved at the 2008 ANKC Conference to reduce the

distance from 1000 km to 500 km where Challenge Certificates cannot be

awarded on day/s a National Show is conducted. It is recommended that

the distance of1000 km radius remain and the regulation convert to the

previous wording of:

“Where a National Show is held, no Challenge Certificates shall be awarded

for the breed/s involved in the National Show, within a radius of 1000km from

the show on that day/s.”

Discussion revealed that the majority of delegates agreed there was a need

to support National Breed Councils and National Shows.

It was RESOLVED that the ANKC adopt the recommendation for the ANKC

delegates to reconsider their decision moved at the 2008 ANKC Conference

to reduce the distance from 1000 km to 500 km where Challenge Certificates

cannot be awarded on day/s a National Show is conducted in Regulations

Part 13 Clause 4.2.5 and for the distance of 1000 km radius remain and for

the regulation to convert back to the previous wording of:

“Where a National Show is held, no Challenge Certificates shall be awarded

for the breed/s involved in the National Show, within a radius of 1000km from

the show on that day/s.”

It was RESOLVED

Edited May 10, 2010 by capanash

[gareth]

My oath I'm saying it. :D Why should you or I be told where we can show our dogs and not receive challenges.

I call it discrimination. If you want to go to a National with your dog, good on you for going and I hope you win BIS, but those that do not wish to go, or can not afford to go, or think it is to far for them to drive, should not be penalized for wanting to go to a show elsewhere and receive a challenge.

I'd never miss a National, no matter how far I had to go or how difficult.

[oakway]

I call it discrimination.

I think that is blowing it WAY out of proportion.

Anyway, i'm voting for Australia Wide.

No it's not :D , that's just what it is, discrimination against those that are less fortunate in not being able to travel long distances or can not afford the fares to go to a National..

Why stop people going out and supporting the club of their choice and having a bit of fun, isn't that what Dog Shows should be about, having fun.

Not being told when and where we can go. Because that's just what this rule does.

[Pockets]

No one told you you can't show, just that you can't get points :p show all you like ;) after all like you said it's about having fun isn't it :D

[oakway]

No one told you you can't show, just that you can't get points :p show all you like ;) after all like you said it's about having fun isn't it :D

We know we can't get points that's what we are complaining about. ;)

Are you going to pay entries let's say 4 dogs knowing full well you can't be awarded anything but a first in your class. That's not fun.

You miss out and so does the club. In this day and age of falling entries clubs can't afford the loss.

[Gottalovealab]

I call it discrimination.

I think that is blowing it WAY out of proportion.

Anyway, i'm voting for Australia Wide.

Why stop people going out and supporting the club of their choice and having a bit of fun, isn't that what Dog Shows should be about, having fun.

Because it is a breed NATIONAL, a show that should showcase the best the country has to offer. I am not having a go at you for not being able to get there, unfortunately some circumstances do mean people can't get to it. In fact i am an example. I recently missed the Lab National because work wouldn't allow me to have it off. It wouldn't phase me in the least (obviously i am supporting it) that the show here on that weekend didn't allow CCs for Labs.

I do have a problem with people thinking they can get an easy ride when Nationals are on ( not necessarily you or anyone else in this debate), i see it too often.

Edited May 10, 2010 by Gottalovealab

[Pockets]

No because I would accept there was a National on regardless of I could attend or not. If I wanted to yes I would enter for a bit of fun and a nice day out for the dogs :D

A class win is a win with or without points :p

[capanash]

We know we can't get points that's what we are complaining about.

Are you going to pay entries let's say 4 dogs knowing full well you can't be awarded anything but a first in your class. That's not fun.

You miss out and so does the club. In this day and age of falling entries clubs can't afford the loss.

You can be awarded class in group/shows (to my knowledge) just not CC's

What about the breed clubs??? they also need the financial support???

Edited May 10, 2010 by capanash

[Miss B]

My breed doesn't have a National, so it makes no difference to me...

[oakway]

I call it discrimination.

I think that is blowing it WAY out of proportion.

Anyway, i'm voting for Australia Wide.

Why stop people going out and supporting the club of their choice and having a bit of fun, isn't that what Dog Shows should be about, having fun.

Because it is a breed NATIONAL, a show that should showcase the best the country has to offer. I am not having a go at you for not being able to get there, unfortunately some circumstances do mean people can't get to it. In fact i am an example. I recently missed the Lab National because work wouldn't allow me to have it off. It wouldn't phase me in the least (obviously i am supporting it) that the show here on that weekend didn't allow CCs for Labs.

I do have a problem with people thinking they can get an easy ride when Nationals are on ( not necessarily you or anyone else in this debate), i see it too often.

Yes I fully understand what you are saying and appreciate it, but would it really hurt if some person got a challenge at another show. Just think how happy they would be. Would it really matter that much ?.

Times and people are changing. Look at this way if I lived 900 km away and their was a show on 150 km away I could go and get a challenge but the person that lives near the show can't show at any show within a 1000 km and get points, now that's not fair.

If people don't want attend a national why stop them supporting another club that can use the entry fees.

[Kadbury]

If people don't want attend a national why stop them supporting another club that can use the entry fees.

No one is stopping them supporting another club, THEY themselves are because they can't get CC points.

[Guest CaptainCourageous]

My breed has only two state-based clubs, and under the old rules can't have a National.

I hope under the new rules we may be able to form a national body one day.

I think there should be no CCs awarded for the breed at an All Breeds Show on the day of their National. I'd love to see no CCs awarded for a breed at an All Breeds Show on the day of any specialty in the country. That way the state-based breed clubs could attract more interstate entries.

CC

[Gottalovealab]

My breed has only two state-based clubs, and under the old rules can't have a National.

I hope under the new rules we may be able to form a national body one day.

I think there should be no CCs awarded for the breed at an All Breeds Show on the day of their National. I'd love to see no CCs awarded for a breed at an All Breeds Show on the day of any specialty in the country. That way the state-based breed clubs could attract more interstate entries.

CC

I quite like your reasoning for the blanket Australia ban there CC.

The fact that there are Nationals held in your breed means you should be supporting it anyway you can, because it is those that will die off first, before the All Breeds shows.

You say an entry of 14 dogs is missed ( money wise) in an All Breeds show, what about the Speciality?? That could mean the difference between covering costs and not...Or maybe an international judge.