Dog Attack This Morning

[Erny]

I can just imagine a security chihuahua, a pekingnese schutzhund . I wonder why we never see it if the breed doesn't matter.

Maybe because you haven't looked for it?

Schutzhund with JRT 1

[Abigail]

Thank you Abigail

I try very hard to ensure that my dogs are great members of society and a pleasure to be around for all people/animals. Obedience three times a week, walks, tracking and now herding. All activities that are suited to their individual personalities.

I think the reason that people are so concerned about the haphazard naming of breeds involved in attacks is the fact that a lot of mis-identification occurs and certain breeds are unfairly accused. This then increases the negative perception that the general public has about the breeds and consequently the appeal of these dogs to irresponsible “bogan” owners. So it becomes a never ending vicious circle that is self perpetuating.

I do not think that it is due to the owners of certain breeds being in denial about the capabilities of their breed. All responsible owners know full well what their dogs are capable of and the consequences of their dogs’ actions and they ensure that this situation never arises via proper socialisation, training, containment and stimulation.

It is the actions, or more importantly the inactions, of a few that ruin all the good work that the majority do and unfortunately the media and public do not want to hear about the good things achieved by responsible owners of certain breeds.

Thank you grumpette. I do agree in alot of what you have said; so true that it is the inactions of a few that ruin it for the others. It is basically what I have been trying to say all along. If people are aware and prepared to admit to themselves that certain breeds of dogs are capable of greater damage we would not be having this discussion. I disagree in that I still believe that some people are indeed in denial as so many are showing here in continuously denying the fact that this breed is DA but that through careful 'management' can be great pets!

[WreckitWhippet]

I'm happy to disclose the breed.

I am just fully aware that on DOL when you label the breed in a dog attack the BSL fans jump up and down saying ner ner ner

and now I know that if you don't label the breed you are told off because you are not disclosing the full story.

The attacking dog was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier Bitch, the dog that was attacked was a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel Dog.

I can see why you were guarded in disclosing the breed. Good for you for disclosing it !

Not surprised at the outcome. Poor Cavalier! I would have loved to have had a stick in tow and hit that mongrel between the eyes! How many more dogs have to be victimised at the jaws of these animals?

are you really trying to say what your words are saying, or am I interpreting that you have it in for Staffords?

Chewbacca, I have owned staffies before, two of them and both were unbelievably affectionate pets towards both my hubby and I. God only knows I can still see my male staffy whinging when I was applying my lipstick shortly before going out, he just knew and showed his sadness each and every time. Purebred english staffies are great little family members but they are DA (before people start jumping up and down I do concede that not all are DA, there is always the exception to every rule). The DA bit is the only thing I dislike about the breed and the potential for damage, which as far as I am concerned, exceeds any other breed.

I have three current Staffordshire Bull Terriers ( there's no such thing as an english staffy ) and have owned and boarded numerous others. I am yet to own a dog aggressive SBT and infact they should not be dog aggressive. The true Stafford in bold, fearless and totally reliable and is a gentleman, unless set upon.

I don't deny that there are dog aggressive Staffords out there, I have seen a few even amongst the pedigree registered dogs and bitch, however the vast majority of them are not.

[Abigail]

I do have full admiration for some of the posters on the thread titled "is the APBT a lost cause?". A few posters on that thread openly admit to the APBT being DA and yet they are actually lovers of the breed. Good for you! As for other other posters that continue to deny this fact

[Adnil444]

Black Bronson - why would it change the story? We did not see the dog until it had attacked? We could not have changed our behaviour? I am just as cautious with SWFs going nutso at a fence as I am a rottie..

Me too - I'm have a rottiexdobe and the swfs going crazy at the fenceline also keep me very alert and cautious - what if they got out and attacked my pretty well behaved girl and she went back - would my dog be held responsible because she was on a lead and the swfs got out of their property and attacked?

I also had the same thing happen to me on the weekend, where I had taken my girl for a 1.5 hr leash walk and she didn't put a foot wrong, an absolute joy to walk on lead, however when passing this one particular house, there is a very dog aggressive dog that lives there and it has been out several times recently. As I was getting close to the house, I could see the front gates were open slightly, but enough to let the dog out. I stopped and could see the owners in the yard and yelled out to them to quickly shut the gate, which they promptly did just before their dog got out. It of course went balistic behind the gates, but you no what gets me, my dog probably would have a chance, but the old lady walking her old little mini foxie about 50m behind me, her dog probably would have been killed or very badly injured. I am also going to report this owner as they should no better. They have a da dog and should ensure 100% of the time that their dog will never get out of their yard without being on lead. It's pretty simple, but something a lot of owners can't seem to grasp.

[TrinaJ]

I can just imagine a security chihuahua, a pekingnese schutzhund . I wonder why we never see it if the breed doesn't matter.

Maybe because you haven't looked for it?

Schutzhund with JRT 1

Damn Erny you beat me to it!!! Fantastic isn't it.. those little buggers have attitude to boot. Can you imagine if they were bigger (JOKE)

[Abigail]

Black Bronson - why would it change the story? We did not see the dog until it had attacked? We could not have changed our behaviour? I am just as cautious with SWFs going nutso at a fence as I am a rottie..

Me too - I'm have a rottiexdobe and the swfs going crazy at the fenceline also keep me very alert and cautious - what if they got out and attacked my pretty well behaved girl and she went back - would my dog be held responsible because she was on a lead and the swfs got out of their property and attacked?

I also had the same thing happen to me on the weekend, where I had taken my girl for a 1.5 hr leash walk and she didn't put a foot wrong, an absolute joy to walk on lead, however when passing this one particular house, there is a very dog aggressive dog that lives there and it has been out several times recently. As I was getting close to the house, I could see the front gates were open slightly, but enough to let the dog out. I stopped and could see the owners in the yard and yelled out to them to quickly shut the gate, which they promptly did just before their dog got out. It of course went balistic behind the gates, but you no what gets me, my dog probably would have a chance, but the old lady walking her old little mini foxie about 50m behind me, her dog probably would have been killed or very badly injured. I am also going to report this owner as they should no better. They have a da dog and should ensure 100% of the time that their dog will never get out of their yard without being on lead. It's pretty simple, but something a lot of owners can't seem to grasp.

Would you be willing to name the breed of dog that almost got out? Farking people yet again with their heads buried deeply in their arses! I tend to get just as annoyed at people who dont take responsibility for their small dogs getting out and possibly run the risk of getting run over, lost, stolen or attacked!

[Adnil444]

Black Bronson - why would it change the story? We did not see the dog until it had attacked? We could not have changed our behaviour? I am just as cautious with SWFs going nutso at a fence as I am a rottie..

Me too - I'm have a rottiexdobe and the swfs going crazy at the fenceline also keep me very alert and cautious - what if they got out and attacked my pretty well behaved girl and she went back - would my dog be held responsible because she was on a lead and the swfs got out of their property and attacked?

I also had the same thing happen to me on the weekend, where I had taken my girl for a 1.5 hr leash walk and she didn't put a foot wrong, an absolute joy to walk on lead, however when passing this one particular house, there is a very dog aggressive dog that lives there and it has been out several times recently. As I was getting close to the house, I could see the front gates were open slightly, but enough to let the dog out. I stopped and could see the owners in the yard and yelled out to them to quickly shut the gate, which they promptly did just before their dog got out. It of course went balistic behind the gates, but you no what gets me, my dog probably would have a chance, but the old lady walking her old little mini foxie about 50m behind me, her dog probably would have been killed or very badly injured. I am also going to report this owner as they should no better. They have a da dog and should ensure 100% of the time that their dog will never get out of their yard without being on lead. It's pretty simple, but something a lot of owners can't seem to grasp.

Would you be willing to name the breed of dog that almost got out? Farking people yet again with their heads buried deeply in their arses! I tend to get just as annoyed at people who dont take responsibility for their small dogs getting out and possibly run the risk of getting run over, lost, stolen or attacked!

Yes, it was a bull terrier.

[Kirislin]

I can just imagine a security chihuahua, a pekingnese schutzhund . I wonder why we never see it if the breed doesn't matter.

Maybe because you haven't looked for it?

Schutzhund with JRT 1

Still haven't found that peke schutzhund though. looking, looking, looking

[Kirty]

Staffordshire BT's and APBTs are different breeds?

[jackie_a1]

I have three current Staffordshire Bull Terriers ( there's no such thing as an english staffy )

Hey SBT can you elaborate? I always thought 'english' was the correct term?

[Black Bronson]

BB the worst bite I have ever had in my 13 years of training all breeds of dog was from a Jack Russel Terrier, sunk his teeth into my calf the full depth of his canines. Large chunk taken out, 24 stitches required.

I have yet to see a Rotty rip an arm off.

Yes, larger dogs are more powerful, but I have generally found that some smaller dogs have more attitude than the larger dogs.

Therefore, I judge a dog on its behaviour towards me and mine, not on what the breed of dog it happens to be.

I agree. I'm more scared of the SWF as most want to murder [you can sense if through their body language] my Belgian girl when we walk the neighbourhoods and they are all going nuts at their secure gates.

There is a large [breed withheld] canine on our regular route and she's a real sweety to me through the fence but warning barks at Ivy as it's HER turf.

Breed makes no difference, it's the way they are raised and looked after.

Why don't the police K9 units take any breeds for patrol work if the only difference is how a dog is raised and looked after???. Are we likely to see the K9 Maltese evolve in the near future

[Black Bronson]

Black Bronson - why would it change the story? We did not see the dog until it had attacked? We could not have changed our behaviour? I am just as cautious with SWFs going nutso at a fence as I am a rottie..

You must be pulling our leg , do you think an SWF attack and Rotty attack would result in the potential for an equal level of injury???. I understand where you are coming from, a dog is a dog and all that, but in reality, breed, size and power having and equal level of aggression is the difference between a torn pair of pants and a scratch on the ankle to loosing half your arm or worse. I can't really see the police K9 units swapping from GSD's to SWF's as in your perception provide equal fear/deterrent factor...........lets be realistic

good point, I can just imagine a security chihuahua, a pekingnese schutzhund . I wonder why we never see it if the breed doesn't matter.

Correct

Let's gather some perspective Off leash aggressive dogs, we have all encountered them, we all dislike being bailed up and threatened by them and we all have an obligation to our own dogs to protect them from attack. No one in their right mind when sizing up the potential for an aggressive dog to inflict an injury upon our own dog, will have the same level of fear from an SWF charging at you compared with a Rotty, GSD, Pitbull etc etc of a large powerful breed. An 8 year old child can boot off an SWF, but can an 8 year old child defend themselves against a charging 40 kilo dog in full flight of aggression???...........think about it

[Bullbreedlover]

OK

I have read all the threads, but maybe I have missed it...

Now in no way am I ever supporting a dog that jumps its own fence to attack anything. I dont I never will..but..

The dog jumped the fence to attack a cavvy(poor cavvy). Now the cavvy was ..where????? Doing what?????

Was it being walked by its owner???

Hope the cavvy is OK

[Black Bronson]

Black Bronson - why would it change the story? We did not see the dog until it had attacked? We could not have changed our behaviour? I am just as cautious with SWFs going nutso at a fence as I am a rottie..

You must be pulling our leg , do you think an SWF attack and Rotty attack would result in the potential for an equal level of injury???. I understand where you are coming from, a dog is a dog and all that, but in reality, breed, size and power having and equal level of aggression is the difference between a torn pair of pants and a scratch on the ankle to loosing half your arm or worse. I can't really see the police K9 units swapping from GSD's to SWF's as in your perception provide equal fear/deterrent factor...........lets be realistic

good point, I can just imagine a security chihuahua, a pekingnese schutzhund . I wonder why we never see it if the breed doesn't matter.

I am constantly amazed as to how defensive certain people are about the disclosure of the breed involved in an attack. I guess it is a case of wanting the breed to remain hidden and then to accuse the media of sensationalism.

If we don't embrace the problems with certain breedings, they cannot be effectively improved. My breed are GSD's, and there some very poorly bred aggressive GSD's around that needs to be uncovered where these breedings come from I think. A good GSD isn't aggressive, it should be calm, stable and fearless and react only to threat and provocation, not be in a state of sharpness wanting to get everyone before they get it acting out fear aggression. Dogs like this are no good, poor examples of the breed which applies likewise with many other breeds in the same fashion.

[tianakaesha]

Stonebridge

The dog did not jump any fences - the gates to the property were open (drive way gates and front fence gate).

The dog charged the cavalier, running between my child and myself and the other woman and her children.

The cavalier was walking very calmly on lead, via the footpath.

The cavalier tried to run away, but being on lead (and getting tangled), was targeted again by the dog.

I scared the other dog back to its property. I did not enter the property.

The cavalier sustained a puncture wound to its lip (minimal blood), and was limping after the attack. The dog started shaking but calmed down after 10 mins.

[Bullbreedlover]

Stonebridge

The dog did not jump any fences - the gates to the property were open (drive way gates and front fence gate).

The dog charged the cavalier, running between my child and myself and the other woman and her children.

The cavalier was walking very calmly on lead, via the footpath.

The cavalier tried to run away, but being on lead (and getting tangled), was targeted again by the dog.

I scared the other dog back to its property. I did not enter the property.

The cavalier sustained a puncture wound to its lip (minimal blood), and was limping after the attack. The dog started shaking but calmed down after 10 mins.

sorry yep I read that bit wrong.

Thanks for the update. I appreciate it.

[Black Bronson]

Stonebridge

The dog did not jump any fences - the gates to the property were open (drive way gates and front fence gate).

The dog charged the cavalier, running between my child and myself and the other woman and her children.

The cavalier was walking very calmly on lead, via the footpath.

The cavalier tried to run away, but being on lead (and getting tangled), was targeted again by the dog.

I scared the other dog back to its property. I did not enter the property.

The cavalier sustained a puncture wound to its lip (minimal blood), and was limping after the attack. The dog started shaking but calmed down after 10 mins.

Poor little Cav.

A couple of times over the years we have set up a charging DA dog with a security patrol dog and funnily enough on both occassions the charging dog put the brakes on and didn't attack Did it not attack knowing that it was going to get a flogging if it tried, could perhaps it sense that the patrol dog was good for a fight and wouldn't surrender to bullying tactics or the patrol dog was too big and meaningful and the charging dog re-evaluted it's decision???. These dog's generally attacked smaller defenceless dogs but seemed to know they had met their match???. I am thinking perhaps does dog aggression apply when the DA dog is confident that the other dog is unlikely to defend it's self???

[geo]

Chewbacca, I have owned staffies before, two of them and both were unbelievably affectionate pets towards both my hubby and I. God only knows I can still see my male staffy whinging when I was applying my lipstick shortly before going out, he just knew and showed his sadness each and every time. Purebred english staffies are great little family members but they are DA (before people start jumping up and down I do concede that not all are DA, there is always the exception to every rule). The DA bit is the only thing I dislike about the breed and the potential for damage, which as far as I am concerned, exceeds any other breed.

You have owned soooo many dogs, how old are you? i'm inclined to feel that you may be telling porkies.

we get that you don't like staffies and apbt's, maybe you should change your name to BSL.

[Abigail]

Stonebridge

The dog did not jump any fences - the gates to the property were open (drive way gates and front fence gate).

The dog charged the cavalier, running between my child and myself and the other woman and her children.

The cavalier was walking very calmly on lead, via the footpath.

The cavalier tried to run away, but being on lead (and getting tangled), was targeted again by the dog.

I scared the other dog back to its property. I did not enter the property.

The cavalier sustained a puncture wound to its lip (minimal blood), and was limping after the attack. The dog started shaking but calmed down after 10 mins.

Poor little Cav.

A couple of times over the years we have set up a charging DA dog with a security patrol dog and funnily enough on both occassions the charging dog put the brakes on and didn't attack Did it not attack knowing that it was going to get a flogging if it tried, could perhaps it sense that the patrol dog was good for a fight and wouldn't surrender to bullying tactics or the patrol dog was too big and meaningful and the charging dog re-evaluted it's decision???. These dog's generally attacked smaller defenceless dogs but seemed to know they had met their match???. I am thinking perhaps does dog aggression apply when the DA dog is confident that the other dog is unlikely to defend it's self???

There is no denying that dogs do have a sense of size; some dogs do like to pick on the 'underdog'. Yet, other dogs would take anything on as they are too pigheaded and their prey drive is far too acute for them to stop. Obviously that DA dog's common sense was very well developed and would only pick on those weaker than himself.