TUPS Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Hi, I am looking for a dobermann 6mths or older as I would like to commence obedience and/or agility training (non competative, this is for fun for me to get out and socialise ). I am happy to have either male or female, but the dog will be desexed if not already. She or he would need to be suitable to fit into our family which consists of two young children, 2 & 3yrs (have been raised around large dogs and very respectful of them), a ridgeback 8yr old female (desexed), two cats, and of course my husband ) The dobe will be part of our family, coming away on holiday’s etc, living inside (on designated bed) and just be very loved. I am just starting out on agility training, but have trained dogs and horses and grew up with German Sheppards. I am just looking to do this as a hobby on weekends. If you know of a gorgeous dobe and think it would fit into our family please give me an email or call. Warm Regards Cayce 0422 284 008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlemum Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Why 6 months old, rather than a puppy? There are 5 litters listed here: http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/puppies/dobermann.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdog Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Perhaps they don't want to go through the puppy stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Perhaps they don't want to go through the puppy stage. A six month old dobe would still have a fair bit of puppy brain, one would assume? Hope the OP can find what they are looking for I've heard really good things about Fireax (who is listed in the above link) I would be making an enquiry about their up and coming litter especially if I was after a dog sports dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUPS Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 Hi, thanks for your reply. I am keen to get started on training hence wanting a dobe 6mths or older. I had a fireax years ago when I was first going to commence obedience training. He was a Xmas Cracker line, I think that's right. He was HUGE and just the most divine dog, great personality, great temp, just the BEST dog ever.... He was bitten by a snake at 14mths old and too this day thinking about him breaks my heart!! So after him, I put my life to the side to raise two little people, and now I am ready to start doing something for me!! Thus I am looking for a dobe who I can begin starting their training. P.S. I have actually email Ella (Fireax) & a few other breeders to put out the word that Im looking for an older dobe (often they return to bred to be rehoused) but thought this great forum would also be a great place to put out the word.. I am more than happy to take on a rescue dobe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUPS Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 Also just one other thought, there are always plenty of people who are keen to take on a puppy, often it's the older dogs no one seems to want... I am happy to take on a problem dobe, one who may have proved to be a bit much for someone... That's just me, but also having picked up after babies for the past 2 yrs, I am over anyone, or any dog peeing on my floor!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlemum Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) I've got to say that, if i was looking at getting a dog for Obedience, I would much rather get a puppy! - you have a much better chance of forming a deep bond. ETA - I would be hesitant in selling or giving someone an older dog purely because they "didn't want to go through the puppy stage"- doesn't show much committment. Not that I'm implying this is the OP's reason - just a prejudice of mine. Edited May 9, 2010 by poodlemum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KitKat Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) If people only after puppies to prove commitment...so many rescue dogs or run on show etc dogs would never be rehomed... Good luck in finding a Dobe Have you tried the Dobe rescue groups? Edited May 9, 2010 by KitKat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 For agility it can take anywhere from 6 months to a year just to lay the foundations so you might find if you get a pup by the time you are ready to start agility the dog is old enough. Also try to chat to dobe breeders and people competing in agility with dobes the right age to start re joints. Some breeds you can start quite early but my Chesapeake won't be starting jumping until he is over 2 and probably closer to 2 and a half due to joint safety, better to wait and have a long time then rush it and have joint break downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUPS Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 I've got to say that, if i was looking at getting a dog for Obedience, I would much rather get a puppy! - you have a much better chance of forming a deep bond.ETA - I would be hesitant in selling or giving someone an older dog purely because they "didn't want to go through the puppy stage"- doesn't show much committment. Not that I'm implying this is the OP's reason - just a prejudice of mine. Wow, ouch.. Cant believe that you would judge me because I made a joke about not wanting to going through the puppy stage, ie. peeing on floor... Commitment, my dogs and cats have all died of old age, or illness, I am VERY committed to a dog, thus the reason I am looking for an older dog rather than a cute puppy!!! In relation to your comment about forming a "deeper bond" there are many working dogs, both in the Defence force, Police Force, Customs etc that are exceptional working dogs with a deep bond with their handler who were obtained from the pound as an older dog!!! And for you to say that just because someone hasn't had their dog from puppyhood wouldn't have as much chance of developing a deep bond with their dog, then really... I do take exception to that. Because I assure you that people who have obtained a dog who wasn't a puppy has exactly the same ability of forming a deep bond than someone who gets a puppy! Sorry but I know I am a great dog owner, who give my dogs everything, they are very much part of my family and I am totally committed to them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I know plenty of people who do well in agility who have acquired their dogs as young adults, including some on this forum It is personal preference as to whether to get a pup or older dog, with pros and cons for each. For rescue, there is certainly a lot to be said for getting a young adult instead of a pup. There certainly is a lot of foundation work that you can do with a younger dog before they are fully grown and able to jump. I would not jump a big dog like a Dobe before 18 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUPS Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) For agility it can take anywhere from 6 months to a year just to lay the foundations so you might find if you get a pup by the time you are ready to start agility the dog is old enough. Also try to chat to dobe breeders and people competing in agility with dobes the right age to start re joints. Some breeds you can start quite early but my Chesapeake won't be starting jumping until he is over 2 and probably closer to 2 and a half due to joint safety, better to wait and have a long time then rush it and have joint break downs. And it's for added reasons such as this "joint development" that I am also looking for an older dobe who needs a new home! Having worked with horses my whole life I am aware that young animals need to develop. I am I guess hoping to cheat and get a dog ready to go on with with rather than a puppy... I am just looking to do this for fun so would commence obedience rather than agility and then go on looking to jumping once the dog is over 2yrs. THis is just something I have always wanted to do for fun and love the dobermann breed and think it's a great time now in our family life to add a new addition. Edited May 9, 2010 by TUPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJB Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) I've got to say that, if i was looking at getting a dog for Obedience, I would much rather get a puppy! - you have a much better chance of forming a deep bond.ETA - I would be hesitant in selling or giving someone an older dog purely because they "didn't want to go through the puppy stage"- doesn't show much committment. Not that I'm implying this is the OP's reason - just a prejudice of mine. Wow, ouch.. Cant believe that you would judge me because I made a joke about not wanting to going through the puppy stage, ie. peeing on floor... Commitment, my dogs and cats have all died of old age, or illness, I am VERY committed to a dog, thus the reason I am looking for an older dog rather than a cute puppy!!! In relation to your comment about forming a "deeper bond" there are many working dogs, both in the Defence force, Police Force, Customs etc that are exceptional working dogs with a deep bond with their handler who were obtained from the pound as an older dog!!! And for you to say that just because someone hasn't had their dog from puppyhood wouldn't have as much chance of developing a deep bond with their dog, then really... I do take exception to that. Because I assure you that people who have obtained a dog who wasn't a puppy has exactly the same ability of forming a deep bond than someone who gets a puppy! Sorry but I know I am a great dog owner, who give my dogs everything, they are very much part of my family and I am totally committed to them! TUPS I totally agree with you. I am sure some people feel more bonded with their dogs if raising them from puppyhood, but I have loved both my dogs regardless of what age they have come into my life. I currently have a dog that I got at 12 weeks. My other dog was 6 months before we had her. I cannot tell the difference between the bonding I have with either. It sounds to me like you would make a very responsible dog owner, who has a great home to give the right dog. With each persons situation being different, I can truly understand that you might not want the chaos of early puppy stage. I found it hectic, and my kids were older than yours. Good luck in finding yourself a lovely Dobe. Edited May 9, 2010 by VJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) My parents never want a pup again but are happy to rescue or rehome an ex showdog for thier next dog. This to me does not show any more or less commitment then someone who wants a pup, they are obviously looking at the dog for what it is, not because they want a cute pup ect. Age is a preferance just like colour, breed ect. Edited May 9, 2010 by valleyCBR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Rules Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 One of my dogs was a 6 month old from the pound. Perfect age is all I can say! I hope you find just what you are after, the dog you do find will be a very lucky one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I've got to say that, if i was looking at getting a dog for Obedience, I would much rather get a puppy! - you have a much better chance of forming a deep bond.ETA - I would be hesitant in selling or giving someone an older dog purely because they "didn't want to go through the puppy stage"- doesn't show much committment. Not that I'm implying this is the OP's reason - just a prejudice of mine. Wow, ouch.. Cant believe that you would judge me because I made a joke about not wanting to going through the puppy stage, ie. peeing on floor... Sorry but I know I am a great dog owner, who give my dogs everything, they are very much part of my family and I am totally committed to them! I totally agree with you. I am sure some people feel more bonded with their dogs if raising them from puppyhood, but I have loved both my dogs regardless of what age they have come into my life. I currently have a dog that I got at 12 weeks. My other dog was 6 months before we had her. I cannot tell the difference between the bonding I have with either. I agree. I got my heart dog when she was 6!! I hate the puppy stage, especially 8-20 weeks. 6 months is a great age to take on a dog, also much easier when you have kids. I wish you luck in your search TUPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUPS Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) Was trying to up load a couple of pic's of my Fireax dobe & current ridgeback with my daughter.. Don't think I've done it... Edited May 9, 2010 by TUPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Bronson Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Also just one other thought, there are always plenty of people who are keen to take on a puppy, often it's the older dogs no one seems to want... I am happy to take on a problem dobe, one who may have proved to be a bit much for someone... That's just me, but also having picked up after babies for the past 2 yrs, I am over anyone, or any dog peeing on my floor!!! Personally, I would be careful with problem Dobes especially unstable temperaments that original owners can't handle. Sometimes people trying to re-home, don't divulge the whole story and what appears as a training issue can often be a genetic fault. Having experience with working breeds, any fearfulness is something that I would avoid in a major way and keep a look out for when considering adopting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisart Dobes Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Don't know of any older dobes looking for homes at the moment - they seem to be very scarce on the ground at the moment and most breeders have long wait lists. One good place to keep an eye on is the NSW dobe club website - even they have nothing listed atm. While I am not sure if they have any dogs to rehome at the moment you could contact Cozdobe in NSW - they were looking at rehoming and getting out of the breed. Might be worth the chance. I don't agree that people wanting an older dog are not committed and that the all important bond can't be as strong. We have only had one rehomed dog - he was 14 months when his first family had to rehome him due to a broken home. The home he has gone to is one of the best you could hope for - his owner has trained and competed with him over the past 2 years and he has gained both CCD & CD titles - they won the ring on multiple occasions and he is now almost ready for CDX (Open). We have also had one puppy go at 5 months - because I couldn't let him go to just any home and he had to be shown - the people who have him are a fantastic dedicated family and do the very best for him - he is so loved and adores his family & multiple other animals they have. Both homes I would happily place another dog with in the future without hesitation. You sound competent and know what you want - though I do agree with the temperament comments made. Having said that our first dobe was a rehomed problem child - Jewel - you can read her story here if you are interested : http://bisartdobermanns.homestead.com/bisartstory.html - they're not all bad and without the experience we gained on our journey with her we wouldn't be where we are today. Good luck with your search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I've got to say that, if i was looking at getting a dog for Obedience, I would much rather get a puppy! - you have a much better chance of forming a deep bond.ETA - I would be hesitant in selling or giving someone an older dog purely because they "didn't want to go through the puppy stage"- doesn't show much committment. Not that I'm implying this is the OP's reason - just a prejudice of mine. I hope never to have a puppy again because I don't want to go through that stage. I've had dogs all of my life with most of them coming to me as puppies. I'm past puppies and my next dog, hopefully not for 10 or 15 yrs, will be an adult. If I choose wisely I won't have any trouble bonding with an adult dog. I think it shows that I'm sensible and know what suits my circumstances. I hope the OP finds what she is looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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