Slight Vent. Poor Dogue

[gareth]

I suppose you do have a point in 3rd & 4th hand info. but who is promoting the death sentence in this case?

Death by DOL forum. Happens all the time.

[Dogsfevr]

I must admit that I am still mystified as to why the dog was still having diarrhea and vomiting after several weeks? Shows the likelihood that perhaps the owner did try to stretch things out hoping that the problem would resolve itself.

Why are you mystified about a dog that isn't yours and a whole medical history hasn't been supplied because the OP doesn't even know the history! Sheesh!

Neither you, nor anyone else has any idea how long it was between consults.. the original one where antibiotics were given could have only been a week prior (given 5 days for AB's to be effective or realise they weren't.... pretty standard really.

Now you are freaking out Abigail.. and it's just a dramatic, over reaction without having anywhere near enough information about the actual situation to reach a valid conclusion.

Yep agree,

We board dogs that have serious issues ,from the drama filled posts here many of these owners would be abused for the condition of there dogs without knowing the true facts .

Parvo was ruled out BUT obviously this dog had a severe gut issue that hit it hard to consider parvo.

We breed a pup 16 yrs ago that caught a stomach bug from a nursing home with there new owners,the dog went to visit & the home plus this family where all chronically sick

After issues with there vet & the owners freaking out we took the dog back .

This dog took many weeks to recover,it took nearly 9 months to get weight on .She was skin & bone & hardly able to walk .

By 12 months she started to get a good coat back & was at minimum healthy weight.by nearly 15 months she had hit her target & was starting to get muscle condition back as during this time her muscles wasted .

This dog would generally weigh 8 kg.

During that entire recovery time she still suffered vomiting & the runs as her gut was so inflammed but after awhile that too recovered.

By 2 years time she was a perfectly normal dog who we rehomed with the most amazing retired lady who could pamper her 24/7 & she passed away this year at 16.

Now our friends new her story but i am sure anyone else would have abused us or judged us.

Dont presume that people are doing bugger all .

Some health conditions aren't fixed over night & can take many months to recover

[Abigail]

Whilst I applaud your interest and concern for this dog, it's very difficult to judge the owner without knowing all of the facts and there seems to be a lot missing. The other posters who have mentioned that conditions can come on very quickly are right and the decision to go to the vet is just as subjective as people going to the doctor - some go immediately there may be a hint of something wrong and others can be seriously ill but still refuse to go.......

I think it's good that the owner has taken the dog to the vet and that should be something that we want to see and praise - not become angry/upset about. After all, a lot of people don't bother at all.

If you asked the owner if you could check back with them to see how their dog was and they agreed I don't see any problem with it but I don't believe the vets should be giving out information about animals to people they don't belong to - I know your heart's in the right place on this, but would you want to your vet giving out information about your dog to anyone who wanted to know?

Conztruct, the owner of the dog apparently said that the dog had diarrhea and vomiting for several weeks which goes to say that perhaps they have not been as diligent as they should have been.

I totally acknowledge this Abigail and I certainly wouldn't have handled it the same way as this owner did, but what I am saying is that we can't judge other people and their diligence by what we would do in a certain situation, and there is no guarantee that the owner told Monah the full story behind what was going on, so I don't see the point in getting angry and upset about it - concerned sure, but not angry and upset.

As for the some of the comments by the other posters, I don't think you are being over-dramatic about it and Monah isn't a "moaner" (WTF - not exactly called for......) - it's just the way that you would manage a situation like that - everyone's different and will manage things differently....as i said though i don't see the point in being angry or upset, or questioning the care the owner is giving their dog.

[spottychick]

isn't that what the accounting MYOB stands for anyway!?

It should

It does!

The phrase "mind your own business" and the acronym "MYOB" for it were around LONG before the accounting program. THe makers of the software just used the phrase/acronym as a clever name for their programme.

So yes, that's what MYOB stands for - both the original phrase and now the accounting program (ie mind your own business as in "take care of your business with our brilliant program")

[spottychick]

Oh and back on topic - I don't think anyone can put down that woman, who they don't even know, for taking her dog to the vet and trying to solve it's health issue. She may have tried the ABs and seen a small improvement and waited to see if it continued or she might have money issues and needed to save money up for the next vet visit or there could be any number of reasons for what the OP saw at the vets.

I think people should be less quick to judge.

[Jed]

This morning I was waiting for mum at the vets and there was a dear little dogue bitch there, 5 months old. I just had to give her a cuddle (after asking) and very carefully asked her owner about her. She was hunched and depressed (dog not owner) and very quiet and OMG!! all skin and bone so that her head looked awful

On interrogating the owner (very nicely!) I discovered the dog had been ill for weeks and she had taken her to the vet to check it wasnt parvo (wasnt), got antibiotics and told to return if they did not work or when finished. By now the dog is extremely malnourished, dehydrated and ill and I will ring to check on her later as I"m freaking out (and no, I know its none of my business but I need to know).

I really fell for this lovely little girl and we had several wonderful minutes together.

I dont get it, the owner seemed nice and said she was worried, but allowed the runs and vomitting to go on for several weeks and only took her in because she is now not eating at all Why why why. Is that normal? Mine are there in a flash, no messing about. I can't tell you all how thin and 'sad' this puppy was, can't they see?

I'm just so upset, and angry!

If the vet suspected parvo he/she should have carried out a parvo test! To assume something as serious as parvo and only give antibiotics to the owner and tell her to take the dog bag if the antibiotics don't work sounds very unprofessional. A dog with suspected parvo should be on the drip, first and foremost. This is just pathetic really! I would expect better from a vet and the owner obviously doesn't understand the seriousness of parvo to simply toddle off with antibiotics in tow! Anyone with an ounce of common sense would not allow their dog to go on vomitting and diarrhea for weeks; downright bloody idiotic!!! :D

Can't you read? Maybe revisit the post?

[Rebanne]

Didn't absorb the bit about parvo having been ruled out. I must admit that I am still mystified as to why the dog was still having diarrhea and vomiting after several weeks? Shows the likelihood that perhaps the owner did try to stretch things out hoping that the problem would resolve itself.

You have no idea if this happened ( the bolded bit ) such awful assumptions being made in this thread.

[Rebanne]

Conztruct, the owner of the dog apparently said that the dog had diarrhea and vomiting for several weeks which goes to say that perhaps they have not been as diligent as they should have been.

I had a dog with with these issues for several weeks and she was under vet care the whole time. How can you make such unfounded statements?

[Abigail]

Oh and back on topic - I don't think anyone can put down that woman, who they don't even know, for taking her dog to the vet and trying to solve it's health issue. She may have tried the ABs and seen a small improvement and waited to see if it continued or she might have money issues and needed to save money up for the next vet visit or there could be any number of reasons for what the OP saw at the vets.

I think people should be less quick to judge.

Hi spottychick, money issues is no excuse, it could result in the death of a dog. Vets often don't expect to be paid pronto and allow for accounts to be paid in installments. I know certain people that are as tight as a fish's backside and dread spending a dime. I know of other individuals who spend money on themselves like it is their last day on earth yet when it comes to spending money for their pet's welfare they would sooner look the other way!

[Abigail]

Didn't absorb the bit about parvo having been ruled out. I must admit that I am still mystified as to why the dog was still having diarrhea and vomiting after several weeks? Shows the likelihood that perhaps the owner did try to stretch things out hoping that the problem would resolve itself.

You have no idea if this happened ( the bolded bit ) such awful assumptions being made in this thread.

Need I say that experience goes hand in hand with the comments that I have made. I do not make such comments lightly. Yes, you could be right Rebanne and then again I could be right. I guess, at the end of the day, we will never know for sure.

[Rebanne]

Didn't absorb the bit about parvo having been ruled out. I must admit that I am still mystified as to why the dog was still having diarrhea and vomiting after several weeks? Shows the likelihood that perhaps the owner did try to stretch things out hoping that the problem would resolve itself.

You have no idea if this happened ( the bolded bit ) such awful assumptions being made in this thread.

Need I say that experience goes hand in hand with the comments that I have made. I do not make such comments lightly. Yes, you could be right Rebanne and then again I could be right. I guess, at the end of the day, we will never know for sure.

you have no experience with this person though so have no idea

[Cordelia]

[jackie_a1]

If I had been the dogue's owner I would have already been distressed that my dog was ill and I was unsure of the prognosis. On top of that I'd already be feeling guilty because I hadn't been able to stop the dog from continuously being sick so much so to the point of her condition deteriorating. I would be scared of losing my new puppy, I'd feel like a failure as an owner.

This could be the owners first puppy and or dog, the owner is doing the right thing by being at the vet. Maybe she thought she could administer medication and nurse the pup back to health at home. Where the puppy would be in a warm comfortable familiar environment and thought maybe that would be the best thing for the puppy.

Then the owner gets questioned about her poor puppy on top of everything else that she needs to think about.

Don't judge I know why you're concerned but I think it's misplaced. Leave the opinions to the certified expert. The vet.

[tianakaesha]

If I had been the dogue's owner I would have already been distressed that my dog was ill and I was unsure of the prognosis. On top of that I'd already be feeling guilty because I hadn't been able to stop the dog from continuously being sick so much so to the point of her condition deteriorating. I would be scared of losing my new puppy, I'd feel like a failure as an owner.

This could be the owners first puppy and or dog, the owner is doing the right thing by being at the vet. Maybe she thought she could administer medication and nurse the pup back to health at home. Where the puppy would be in a warm comfortable familiar environment and thought maybe that would be the best thing for the puppy.

Then the owner gets questioned about her poor puppy on top of everything else that she needs to think about.

Don't judge I know why you're concerned but I think it's misplaced. Leave the opinions to the certified expert. The vet.

BRAVA! :clap

[spottychick]

Oh and back on topic - I don't think anyone can put down that woman, who they don't even know, for taking her dog to the vet and trying to solve it's health issue. She may have tried the ABs and seen a small improvement and waited to see if it continued or she might have money issues and needed to save money up for the next vet visit or there could be any number of reasons for what the OP saw at the vets.

I think people should be less quick to judge.

Hi spottychick, money issues is no excuse, it could result in the death of a dog. Vets often don't expect to be paid pronto and allow for accounts to be paid in installments. I know certain people that are as tight as a fish's backside and dread spending a dime. I know of other individuals who spend money on themselves like it is their last day on earth yet when it comes to spending money for their pet's welfare they would sooner look the other way!

Not in my experience - and not in the experience of many other people I know. I spent a fortune on my dog when he had cancer, always paying in full at time of visit - and then, when I'd run out of up-front cash (after about $2,000 worth of vet treatement) not one of them would help without up-front money. I couldn't even get his pain-killers from them. I ended up getting some "under the table" via the internet through connections I made on chat groups but God only knows what would have happened if I hadn't had that avenue. THe vets didn't particularly care. And it seems that's not unusual - which is why this particular group keeps a stock pile of them to share with poor dog owners who run out of ready cash.

Not having any money is absolutely a consideration for a lot of people, especially if they've already been seeing the vet and spending money on their animals and sometimes people need a couple of weeks to scrape some more funds together.

It's not "an excuse" it's just the reality that some (many) people face sometimes. Clearly she was not avoiding paying for a vet because there she is, in a vet clinic .................. AGAIN.

[stormie]

This morning I was waiting for mum at the vets and there was a dear little dogue bitch there, 5 months old. I just had to give her a cuddle (after asking) and very carefully asked her owner about her. She was hunched and depressed (dog not owner) and very quiet and OMG!! all skin and bone so that her head looked awful

On interrogating the owner (very nicely!) I discovered the dog had been ill for weeks and she had taken her to the vet to check it wasnt parvo (wasnt), got antibiotics and told to return if they did not work or when finished. By now the dog is extremely malnourished, dehydrated and ill and I will ring to check on her later as I"m freaking out (and no, I know its none of my business but I need to know).

I really fell for this lovely little girl and we had several wonderful minutes together.

I dont get it, the owner seemed nice and said she was worried, but allowed the runs and vomitting to go on for several weeks and only took her in because she is now not eating at all Why why why. Is that normal? Mine are there in a flash, no messing about. I can't tell you all how thin and 'sad' this puppy was, can't they see?

I'm just so upset, and angry!

While obviously you don't know the full story behind the dogs medical history, I think it's nice that you care enough to have considered a follow up call. I would have no issue with another client calling up asking over an animal they had seen whilst they were here to see if he/she was ok - obviously I wouldn't be able to give them details, but to know that the particular animal had been in their thoughts enough to make a phone call, to me, is really lovely and thoughtful and I would tell them such.

Our clients often chat to each other in the waiting room discussing their pets' health.

There are some really neglectful owners out there - we see it all the time. Last week we admitted a cat with such an horrific flea burden, she died within a few hours.

So yep, this dog could have been making weekly visits to the vet, but it may also have been sitting at home in a backyard somewhere receiving no care. We don't know, but I think it's nice to know there are still people out there who think and care about things other than themselves.

[Dogsfevr]

We don't know, but I think it's nice to know there are still people out there who think and care about things other than themselves.

Yes but you dont presume there morons either nor caring.

They have been judged guilty based on no facts at all .

These people werent discussing,they where questioned or as the OP put it interrogated then coming straight home & posting about them on a public forum .

[Monah]

wow, never thought it would create so much controversy. esp about MYOB and MYOB,

the word interrogate was used in the silly sense, not literal. I was really nice, really worried.

I KNOW animals can go downhill fast, I've been a shower since 1975 , done applied animal science, and am a wildlife carer.

The reason I was upset and angry was NOTbecause the dog was ill etc. but because it had gone on for so long and the person did not follow vet advice of returning if the problem persisted, then allowed the dog to get in a shocking condition, could not stand up, before taking the dog back. I am worried about the dog, I suppose anxious is a better word and cannot stop thinking about her. so, as I have worked and have been friends with the surgery for 16 years, I was going to ask how the dog was. NOT medical history,owners name, launch some kind of attack etc. Just if she survived.

I agree, it's none of my business, I cant do anything, I will never see the dog or person again. You are all right. I cannot account for the grief seeing a dog in this condition has affected me.

I've seen this a thousand times, many people do it, some dont even give the medication to their animals. It doesnt mean they do not love them, just dont understand. TO me this is just as bad as someone allowing their dog to hurt another dog or person, or lack of training, or all the other things us humans do to animals. It's duty of care and yes, I'm really angry that that was breached. I've recently lost my cockatiel after 15 years (pts) and had him at the vet many times, sometimes daily, so they could moniitor his progress. There is no excuse for 'wait and see' when the dog is sso obviously very very ill.

[WillowGirl]

In my experience some people are unaware of how to care for animals - and children - for that matter. And common sense is not all that common.

I hope the dear puppy gets well, and i'm sure the owner does too. Unless you have a lot of money, you won't buy a dogue on a whim.

p.s. I had soooooooooo many people tell me that Zeus was/is a sad looking dog. They just know nothing about dogues. They can be very quiet and reserved at times........also, Zeus has allergies to all sorts of things that make him sick.

[Monah]

We don't know, but I think it's nice to know there are still people out there who think and care about things other than themselves.

Yes but you dont presume there morons either nor caring.

They have been judged guilty based on no facts at all .

These people werent discussing,they where questioned or as the OP put it interrogated then coming straight home & posting about them on a public forum .

I did not think they were morons, I did not judge them guilty, I was told by the owner they had not gone back to the vet, there was no presumption. also, ninety percent of the posts on DOL concern things that have occurred involving other people.