Is The Apbt A Lost Cause?

[Zhou Xuanyao]

APBT's are relatively common in this particular town and are owned by people from all walks of life, from single guys like me, to young families, and older families. Most dogs here are much loved and well taken care of with very proud owners.

I know what the western suburbs can be like I lived in Lalor Park for years. I'v got good knowledge of Mt Druitt and surrounding areas aswell. They are still the minority.

I used to volunteer at SDH in St George, we had some fighting dogs come in there aswell, but again they were the small minority. Like I say, while a problem does exist, it is not directly linked to BSL it is seperate. Many breeds face similar issues with various pretend tough guys, and nearly all breeds are victim to some poor breeding practices. That is not a BSL issue, it is not an APBT issue, it is a dog issue.

[R00]

BSL will be overturned, it is logical progression. It is a pattern we have seen in foreign countries who have been there, done that and dropped BSL.

No it won't.

Not as long as certain individuals keep breeding for fighting, dog aggression and protection of their property (ie: their Hash stash/crop and VB empties collection out the backyard).

APBT owners in certain areas ARE the breeds worst advocates as they are less intelligent than their dogs yet retain the ability to speak and use their opposable thumbs.

Until deadshits stop owning and breeding them.. BSL will live long and prosper.. particularly in certain council areas in Sydney.

I love the breed and agree with your statement Cordelia. Sometimes you need to state the non pc view that most people are thinking but just don't want to say out loud. BSL is here to stay it just needs to be managed better. It will never be totally gone, it will however evolve over time to be sometimes worse and sometimes better that the current set up.

[APBT]

i agree justice, I guarantee more then half the population of Australia wouldn't know the difference between an APBT and a cross, or even something that's looks even a little like a bully.

And you cant compare an good bred APBT to the crap you find here in the suburbs, but this crap will keep on being bred unless they make it legal so people don't have to stay underground and can produce GREAT dogs that will then become the image of the APBT.

So, if the APBT would be bred out in the open rather than "underground" how different would it really be? So are you saying that the current APBT is crap? lol. and if so then why are you such a fan of them? I am a little confused here.

No the current APBT is not crap, Just the rubbish that quite a few people breed at home because you cant exactly go to a registered breeder and get one can you?

Dont get me wrong if you know the right people there are some great APBT kennels around but your agave joe wouldn't have a clue, so they get there mates mut and breed with there mut and call it an APBT for all there mates to see how cool it is.

Edited May 5, 2010 by APBT

[Abigail]

i agree justice, I guarantee more then half the population of Australia wouldn't know the difference between an APBT and a cross, or even something that's looks even a little like a bully.

And you cant compare an good bred APBT to the crap you find here in the suburbs, but this crap will keep on being bred unless they make it legal so people don't have to stay underground and can produce GREAT dogs that will then become the image of the APBT.

So, if the APBT would be bred out in the open rather than "underground" how different would it really be? So are you saying that the current APBT is crap? lol. and if so then why are you such a fan of them? I am a little confused here.

No the current APBT is not crap, Just the rubbish that quite a few people breed at home because you cant exactly go to a registered breeder and get one can you?

Dont get me wrong if you know the right people there are some great APBT kennels around but your agave joe wouldn't have a clue, so they get there mates mut and breed with there mut and call it an APBT for all there mates to see how cool it is.

Okay, thanks for that. I suppose that applies to any breed really. What I would really like to know APBT is are those APBT bred by "great kennels" as you say less inclined to be DA? and how would they differ from the so-called "crap" that is now being bred?

Edited May 5, 2010 by Abigail

[R00]

i agree justice, I guarantee more then half the population of Australia wouldn't know the difference between an APBT and a cross, or even something that's looks even a little like a bully.

And you cant compare an good bred APBT to the crap you find here in the suburbs, but this crap will keep on being bred unless they make it legal so people don't have to stay underground and can produce GREAT dogs that will then become the image of the APBT.

i'll go even further a say 90% of Australians would have no idea what an APBT looks like and 99% of people have probably never met one. (and that 67.5% of all stats are made up on the spot )

[APBT]

i agree justice, I guarantee more then half the population of Australia wouldn't know the difference between an APBT and a cross, or even something that's looks even a little like a bully.

And you cant compare an good bred APBT to the crap you find here in the suburbs, but this crap will keep on being bred unless they make it legal so people don't have to stay underground and can produce GREAT dogs that will then become the image of the APBT.

So, if the APBT would be bred out in the open rather than "underground" how different would it really be? So are you saying that the current APBT is crap? lol. and if so then why are you such a fan of them? I am a little confused here.

No the current APBT is not crap, Just the rubbish that quite a few people breed at home because you cant exactly go to a registered breeder and get one can you?

Dont get me wrong if you know the right people there are some great APBT kennels around but your agave joe wouldn't have a clue, so they get there mates mut and breed with there mut and call it an APBT for all there mates to see how cool it is.

Okay, thanks for that. I suppose that applies to any breed really. What I would really like to know APBT is are those APBT bred by "great kennels" as you say less inclined to be DA?

No they are not less inclined to be less DA, thats in there breed standard. Almost like breeding collies to be less inclined to heard, not the best example but you get the drift.

But in saying that i havent had a problem with my APBT and other dogs at all, but you will find that MOST APBT's are bred as family dogs and will never see a fighting pit in there life.

I have no problem with DA dogs in the right hands.

Edited May 5, 2010 by APBT

[Abigail]

i agree justice, I guarantee more then half the population of Australia wouldn't know the difference between an APBT and a cross, or even something that's looks even a little like a bully.

And you cant compare an good bred APBT to the crap you find here in the suburbs, but this crap will keep on being bred unless they make it legal so people don't have to stay underground and can produce GREAT dogs that will then become the image of the APBT.

So, if the APBT would be bred out in the open rather than "underground" how different would it really be? So are you saying that the current APBT is crap? lol. and if so then why are you such a fan of them? I am a little confused here.

No the current APBT is not crap, Just the rubbish that quite a few people breed at home because you cant exactly go to a registered breeder and get one can you?

Dont get me wrong if you know the right people there are some great APBT kennels around but your agave joe wouldn't have a clue, so they get there mates mut and breed with there mut and call it an APBT for all there mates to see how cool it is.

Okay, thanks for that. I suppose that applies to any breed really. What I would really like to know APBT is are those APBT bred by "great kennels" as you say less inclined to be DA?

No they are not less inclined to be less DA, thats in there breed standard. Almost like breeding collies to be less inclined to heard, not the best example but you get the drift.

But in saying that i havent had a problem with my APBT and other dogs at all, but you will find that MOST APBT's are bred as family dogs and will never see a fighting pit in there life.

I have no problem with DA dogs in the right hands.

Thanks for your honest reply APBT. I don't have a problem with DA dogs either in the right hands and providing that they are not allowed off leash in public areas.

[iltby]

i agree justice, I guarantee more then half the population of Australia wouldn't know the difference between an APBT and a cross, or even something that's looks even a little like a bully.

http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html

Here's the test to find out.

Edited May 5, 2010 by iltby™

[jackie_a1]

Yay I found it first go I won't reveal the answer haha.

I voted no it's not a lost cause. Both my boys are cross pitts and I love them. And fack yes I would fight tooth and nail for the right to legally own be it cross bred or pure bred pitbulls because they are beautiful dogs and I'm sick of having to justify them.

Last time I checked we live in a democracy not a communist country. They're telling us what dogs we're allowed to own next will be what cars we can drive and how often I can take a dump.

It's not a lost cause, nor is the breed and it's reputation.

[RottnBullies]

Bump for anyone who may have missed this

Thanks for the votes and for keeping It clean

[HeavyPaws]

I love the APBT. I've been lucky enough to meet a purebred couple that lived across the road from me, and they were the most wonderful dogs.

When I came up to the house they'd squirm with joy and lick their noses, tails going mad wagging, ears twitching, and if you ignored them they'd do this little dance with their front paws as if they simply could not bear for you to go unlicked for even a second more.

If I could ever own one, I'd be insanely happy. I think I could benefit the good relations with the public with a well-behaved APBT. Sadly, I know of no clubs or kennels I could contact. I fear they've all been driven away by the BSL madness and are wayyy harder to find now.

I'll never give up on having them given the same status as, say, Labradors.

[Dame Aussie]

Sadly, I think yes. It breaks my heart as they're one of my and OH favourite breeds.

Unfortunately there are a lot of a**holes in the world who either don't do their research or have no personal experience with this beautiful loyal breed.

[Lhok]

Voted Not Sure

Because I honestly don't know too much about the whole situation regarding BSL and I am currently looking into researching it a bit more for understanding. I would like to think though that one day anyone could own any dog breed they liked.

--Lhok

[Cordelia]

I'll never give up on having them given the same status as, say, Labradors.

Never going to happen.

Labs don't have a genetic predisposition for fighting with or killing other dogs.

Fact is (and one of the reasons BSL debates are often unrealistic) is the often blatant refusal by the ABPT's staunch supporters to accept or acknowledge what they were bred for and what they still have a predisposition to do if not raised very carefully.

For the most part.. the amount of socialising a Lab needs to remain dog friendly is vastly different to the work needed to establish and maintain a dog friendly ABPT (and yes, I know there are dog friendly ABPT out there... but it isn't the 'norm' for them to be accepting of most other dogs off the bat).

Labs are bred for their amiable nature... and always have been. (yep, there are some not very nice ones out there.. but it is quite uncommon to find one inherently dog aggressive).

[Shaar]

i agree justice, I guarantee more then half the population of Australia wouldn't know the difference between an APBT and a cross, or even something that's looks even a little like a bully.

Can you find the APBT?

Find the Pit Bull

[Greytmate]

I'll never give up on having them given the same status as, say, Labradors.

Never going to happen.

Labs don't have a genetic predisposition for fighting with or killing other dogs.

Fact is (and one of the reasons BSL debates are often unrealistic) is the often blatant refusal by the ABPT's staunch supporters to accept or acknowledge what they were bred for and what they still have a predisposition to do if not raised very carefully.

For the most part.. the amount of socialising a Lab needs to remain dog friendly is vastly different to the work needed to establish and maintain a dog friendly ABPT (and yes, I know there are dog friendly ABPT out there... but it isn't the 'norm' for them to be accepting of most other dogs off the bat).

Labs are bred for their amiable nature... and always have been. (yep, there are some not very nice ones out there.. but it is quite uncommon to find one inherently dog aggressive).

Yes, I agree.

We were able to get BSL for greyhounds amended, because we acknowledged why the law existed and were prepared to honestly assess our own dogs and their behaviour.

Sadly, Team Pitbull seems to have taken a completely different approach with their lobbying, and that has been most ineffective for them.

[juice]

i agree cordy, we need to admit that dogs are, were bred for a reason, just as my cattle dog herds everything, even though he is a pet, its what he has beem bred to do.

you cannot just disregard their history.

i am constantly told by people i have a vicious pitbull,( he is a bt ), and he shouldn't be near kids

the tactics need to change, i think ceasar's "daddy" made a great difference to how people think of pits.

but they do need lots of socialising, and good owners

[Rysup]

That's the argument I have with the Amstaff mob......they also wont admit that the breed is from fighting origins. They wont admit that there is DA in the breed. They go along merrily until one dog kills another and then scratch their heads and wonder why.

My Amstaffs have (except one) been lovely, lovely dogs with people. But I would not trust them with another dog as far as I could throw them. Because I know that the possibility is there, for them to cause harm, and I am not prepared to put anyone in that situation.

Sadly I do think that the APBT is a lost cause, and I think the Amstaff is hot on their heels. Whether you consider them the same breed is your own choice

[jackie_a1]

Cordellia I agree.

My boys are great and very well socialised HOWEVER I am aware of what they are bred for their genetic history etc. Most pitbull owners I know are aware of the genetics of their dog what they were bred for etc but I don't think they are aware of how that affects them in present history today.

Personally I keep well away from off leash dog parks. Parks specifically fenced for dogs off leash because although my dogs are social I keep in mind genetically what they were bred for and I find it irresponsible of me to take my dogs there. No matter how social your pitt might be animals are unpredictable and are slaves to their genes.

In my own opinion

[APBT]

That's the argument I have with the Amstaff mob......they also wont admit that the breed is from fighting origins. They wont admit that there is DA in the breed. They go along merrily until one dog kills another and then scratch their heads and wonder why.

My Amstaffs have (except one) been lovely, lovely dogs with people. But I would not trust them with another dog as far as I could throw them. Because I know that the possibility is there, for them to cause harm, and I am not prepared to put anyone in that situation.

Sadly I do think that the APBT is a lost cause, and I think the Amstaff is hot on their heels. Whether you consider them the same breed is your own choice

Never Trust a bulldog not to fight. One of the Golden rules among the APBT owners.