Abigail Posted May 7, 2010 Author Share Posted May 7, 2010 (edited) Abigail QUOTE Yes, it is true that any breed of dog can be DA but lets be realistic here - the damage inflicted by a golden retriever versus a staffy or pitbull, well the way a staffy or pitbull latch on no golden retriever ever could, the damage inflicted by a staffy or pitbull is way more severe, I know as I have been in such situations. And to those who insist that it is all to do with the way the dog is raised = cobwash! Total, unmitigated crap. You have no idea. Rather than coming here and sprouting rubbish like this, which most of us know is totally wrong, please go away and do some serious research. The damage which any dog of any size is comparable. You need to go and research this. Jed. I have every idea, Jed. I owned a couple of staffies over the years and will never own another. I do agree, as I have said ample times that there is not one breed of dog that would not attack another dog but via personal experience and via working with a vet, I know first hand the damage inflicted by staffies. I am talking about one on one, not a pack. If one staffy set out to attack another dog in comparison, say, a golden retriever set out to attack another dog, well the dog that was attacked by the staffy would suffer greater damage. The tenacity of the breed is incomparable. I am not putting other breeds on a pedestal here. Edited May 7, 2010 by Abigail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abigail Posted May 7, 2010 Author Share Posted May 7, 2010 AbigailYes, it is true that any breed of dog can be DA but lets be realistic here - the damage inflicted by a golden retriever versus a staffy or pitbull, well the way a staffy or pitbull latch on no golden retriever ever could, the damage inflicted by a staffy or pitbull is way more severe, I know as I have been in such situations. And to those who insist that it is all to do with the way the dog is raised = cobwash! Total, unmitigated crap. You have no idea. Rather than coming here and sprouting rubbish like this, which most of us know is totally wrong, please go away and do some serious research. The damage which any dog of any size is comparable. You need to go and research this. Are you aware that St. Bernards have killed more people in the USA than Dobermanns? No, you aren't. If you want to continue to take part in discussions like this, please bring some facts with you. toy dog doesn't matter which dog did the killing they all did the killing in my opinion. and that is the difinition of dangerous dogs, what if it had of been a human baby. shudder to think I agree with you on "which dog did the killing." They obviously acted as a pack. They may not even have been dog aggressive, it may have been pack behaviour. And I do think all three should have been euthanased. Dogs which will jump/crawl through/break a fence to attack other dogs need to have something done about them. Responsible people have fences which contain their dogs. It's sad that the dogs suffer for the acts of humans, but at least one of these dogs has proven he WILL kill another dog. He should not be allowed to do it again. Tough on the dogs but a hell of a lot tougher on the poor little chihuahuas which were minding their own business, on their own property, harming no one, and were killed in the most horrible and terrifying way possible. Something they certainly didn't deserve. Nor did the poor owners, who will probably grieve for years. Dog agression doesn't equate to human agression. On the other hand, dogs which form a pack and attack may well decide to attack a child, or a human. Who knows? It has happened though. Jed, the dogs should be made to pay the consequences and I dont feel sorry for them; they took it upon themselves to kill irrespective of the owner which happens to be a tosser and a loser. To say that I am appalled and disgusted that this pr'ck of a human being has been allowed to obtain another dog and then have those killers returned, what f%ckw't allowed for this deserves a taste of the pudding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerRottweiler Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 doesn't matter which dog did the killing they all did the killing in my opinion. and that is the difinition of dangerous dogs, what if it had of been a human baby. shudder to think. Dog aggressive dogs are not necessarily also aggressive towards humans. Chances are the same dogs would have licked the baby. Some dogs are inherently dog aggressive, this is nature. If you have a dog aggressive dog, then it needs to be contained properly. Simple as that. maybe if the baby and mum had off been on their own with the owner the dogs would be ok, but im saying what if this baby had off been in amongst the smaller dogs and mum was somewhere else - hardly unlikely that would happen these days just a hypothetical, lots of what ifs, but the dogs on their own and baby out there amongst dogs what the outcome would have been, but like everyone else i do realise dog agressive and human agressive are completely different things. Oh okay. Your comment just implied that both are interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillowGirl Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 I seriously cannot believe the carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Abigail, you cannot say that you know the damage inflicted by a staffy would be worse than any other breed, actually I don't even know why I'm bothering to argue with you. That is a ridiculous statement, so many factors come into play in an attack. Staffys should never be allowed off lead? What are you, the dog god?? If I had a staffy that was friendly to other dogs I wouldn't be letting you tell me it could never be off lead. You do support BSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Jed, the dogs should be made to pay the consequences and I dont feel sorry for them; they took it upon themselves to kill irrespective of the owner which happens to be a tosser and a loser. To say that I am appalled and disgusted that this pr'ck of a human being has been allowed to obtain another dog and then have those killers returned, what f%ckw't allowed for this deserves a taste of the pudding! Abigail your use of this language suggests that you may be anthropomorphising these dogs, they are dogs acting on instinct they aren't making a concious decision to murder much loved pets, it's important to recognise the difference because protracted consequences mean nothing to dogs they don't think the same way humans do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdog Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 (edited) I still insist that these dogs should be living in a secure are where they are virtually unable to escape and should never be allowed off leash. Um, what about people who trial their Staffords? Trialling requires off-leash work. I'm sure my friends with their trialling Staffords would be unhappy to have give up something that both they and their dogs enjoy. Edited May 7, 2010 by Earthdog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 (edited) AbigailQUOTE Yes, it is true that any breed of dog can be DA but lets be realistic here - the damage inflicted by a golden retriever versus a staffy or pitbull, well the way a staffy or pitbull latch on no golden retriever ever could, the damage inflicted by a staffy or pitbull is way more severe, I know as I have been in such situations. And to those who insist that it is all to do with the way the dog is raised = cobwash! Total, unmitigated crap. You have no idea. Rather than coming here and sprouting rubbish like this, which most of us know is totally wrong, please go away and do some serious research. The damage which any dog of any size is comparable. You need to go and research this. Jed. I have every idea, Jed. I owned a couple of staffies over the years and will never own another. I do agree, as I have said ample times that there is not one breed of dog that would not attack another dog but via personal experience and via working with a vet, I know first hand the damage inflicted by staffies. I am talking about one on one, not a pack. If one staffy set out to attack another dog in comparison, say, a golden retriever set out to attack another dog, well the dog that was attacked by the staffy would suffer greater damage. The tenacity of the breed is incomparable. I am not putting other breeds on a pedestal here. Like everyone else, you are entitled to your opinion, but don't tell everyone you are anti BSL and then post continuous BSL sentiments. And don't extrapolate your experiences with your own dogs to every dog of the breed. Who knows, the behaviour of your dogs may have been due to bad breeding, or bad upbringing, yet you are tarring every dog of the breed with the same brush. And if you do have any idea, you certainly aren't demonstrating it here. A GR is perfectly capable of killing another dog, or a child -- in fact, GR's have killed a child. I asked you before, and I ask you again, come here armed with facts, not ideas which seem to have come from the fairies, or from your own experiences, and nothing else. well the way a staffy or pitbull latch on no golden retriever ever could, this is a joke, right? Jed, the dogs should be made to pay the consequences and I dont feel sorry for them; they took it upon themselves to kill irrespective of the owner which happens to be a tosser and a loser. To say that I am appalled and disgusted that this pr'ck of a human being has been allowed to obtain another dog and then have those killers returned, what f%ckw't allowed for this deserves a taste of the pudding! No, the dogs should be put down because there is every possiblity that they will do this again, or they should be declared dd and so confined. Dogs aren't humans, they don"t "pay the consequences". Edited May 7, 2010 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoStoNmAdNeSs Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Abigail still doesn't understand what BSL after all thats posted and unfortunately is just a general ignoramus to boot. Stick to goldfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppyx Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 toughie. i dot believe in murder... but the dogs did... i have no idea . . . what has the world come to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gila Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Huh? Dogs don't "believe" in murder either. They don't make a conscious decision to go out and "murder" another animal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 (edited) Oh no my killer Stafford never to be off lead??? He has never injured another animal (oh wait he did dispatch a couple of guinea fowl) in his near 13 years off life. How can you say he should be in an appropriate enclosure and never allowed off lead? My Dobe had the potential to do a lot more damage than my Stafford ever would. She was attacked by dogs a couple of times both on and off lead and as she was told to leave it she did and didn't retaliate even slightly, other than to try and remove herself. So she would be allowed off lead even though she would have been more than capable of inflicting life endagering wounds, but the Stafford who went 3kms home to avoid a fight with a dog intent on starting one should be condemed to a very restricted existence? I am sorry it just does not make sense and you do support BSL. It is deed not breed. If a dog attacks or kills another THEY should have restrictions - not every dog in the country that is the same breed. I do not often say this outright - but you are WRONG, so very wrong and people with your attitude are the ones who are pushing BSL towards other breeds than those already affected. I don't know anything about your Staffords, but maybe they were not bred very well, had shonky temperments or were not trained and socialised properly - it does not mean mine is the same, do not tar him with the same brush as your dogs. Edited May 7, 2010 by Rommi n Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerRottweiler Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Oh yeah those Staffies will kill you alright......be afraid of being LICKED to death! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 Ahh yes, just had my face Staffneezed in!! I just cannot fathom that people are essentially calling for my boy to be kept under those conditions when he has never done anything wrong! Ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdog Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 In saying that I believe that certain breeds of dogs and especially so a pack of staffies should be owned by someone that can ensure 100% that they cannot ever get out is not supporting BSL. If I was a supporter of BSL I would have clearly said that staffies and their crosses should be eradicated altogether and I do not believe in that stance under no circumstance. You're doing it again I genuinely and stupidly thought that BSL was only a law which worked towards eradication of certain breeds of dogs hence why I was adamant that I was not advocating BSL. Somewhere in the middle of the night, my mind went back to this little gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dame Aussie Posted May 7, 2010 Share Posted May 7, 2010 In saying that I believe that certain breeds of dogs and especially so a pack of staffies should be owned by someone that can ensure 100% that they cannot ever get out is not supporting BSL. If I was a supporter of BSL I would have clearly said that staffies and their crosses should be eradicated altogether and I do not believe in that stance under no circumstance. You're doing it again I genuinely and stupidly thought that BSL was only a law which worked towards eradication of certain breeds of dogs hence why I was adamant that I was not advocating BSL. Somewhere in the middle of the night, my mind went back to this little gem. Classic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abigail Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 Abigail still doesn't understand what BSL after all thats posted and unfortunately is just a general ignoramus to boot. Stick to goldfish. Stick to goldfish? Ignoramus? whatever. I have had dogs all my life and will continue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abigail Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 toughie. i dot believe in murder... but the dogs did... i have no idea . . . what has the world come to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abigail Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 Abigail, you cannot say that you know the damage inflicted by a staffy would be worse than any other breed, actually I don't even know why I'm bothering to argue with you. That is a ridiculous statement, so many factors come into play in an attack.Staffys should never be allowed off lead? What are you, the dog god?? If I had a staffy that was friendly to other dogs I wouldn't be letting you tell me it could never be off lead. You do support BSL. No, Aussie3, I don't consider myself a dog god, just a mere mortal. Just wondering how your staffy would react if it approached a swf dog that growled at him and does not want to be bothered? this is a genuine question as I tend to fear the worst in these situations and this does not apply only to staffies but to certain other breeds too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdog Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 You didn't answer my question about trialling Staffords. What's your opinion on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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