Pet Dogs To Be Put Down After Killing

[Abigail]

In saying that I believe that certain breeds of dogs and especially so a pack of staffies should be owned by someone that can ensure 100% that they cannot ever get out is not supporting BSL. If I was a supporter of BSL I would have clearly said that staffies and their crosses should be eradicated altogether and I do not believe in that stance under no circumstance.

Actually, technically, BSL is "breed specific legislation", so if you think that legislation should be different for different breeds of dog, then you support BSL.

BSL isn't just about eradicating breeds. It means there will be laws specific to certain breeds.

Well, honestly speaking Staranais, I really thought that BSL was all about eradicating certain breeds of dogs especially given what had taken place in QLD where pet staffies were being ceased and destroyed even though they didn't commit any wrong doing. I was tears when reading that such things were taking place. I am all for ensuring that no more bloodshed is to take place and no owner should have to go through the nightmare of finding one's pet/s mauled by other dogs. Does that make me such a malicious person?

[Earthdog]

In saying that I believe that certain breeds of dogs and especially so a pack of staffies should be owned by someone that can ensure 100% that they cannot ever get out is not supporting BSL. If I was a supporter of BSL I would have clearly said that staffies and their crosses should be eradicated altogether and I do not believe in that stance under no circumstance.

You're doing it again

[Staranais]

In saying that I believe that certain breeds of dogs and especially so a pack of staffies should be owned by someone that can ensure 100% that they cannot ever get out is not supporting BSL. If I was a supporter of BSL I would have clearly said that staffies and their crosses should be eradicated altogether and I do not believe in that stance under no circumstance.

Actually, technically, BSL is "breed specific legislation", so if you think that legislation should be different for different breeds of dog, then you support BSL.

BSL isn't just about eradicating breeds. It means there will be laws specific to certain breeds.

Well, honestly speaking Staranais, I really thought that BSL was all about eradicating certain breeds of dogs especially given what had taken place in QLD where pet staffies were being ceased and destroyed even though they didn't commit any wrong doing. I was tears when reading that such things were taking place. I am all for ensuring that no more bloodshed is to take place and no owner should have to go through the nightmare of finding one's pet/s mauled by other dogs. Does that make me such a malicious person?

Yes, eradicating dog breeds is IMO certainly the worst aspect of BSL. But any legislation relating to breeds is technically BSL. So you can understand why people were getting rather confused when you were saying you didn't support BSL, but that you did want some breeds to be treated differently.

Personally, I can understand why some people think larger or more powerful breeds should have different laws surrounding them. There is no argument that a high drive or large dog is more likely to hurt someone than a tiny or placid dog is.

I don't think it's the right answer, but I can see why some people think it is.

[Abigail]

In saying that I believe that certain breeds of dogs and especially so a pack of staffies should be owned by someone that can ensure 100% that they cannot ever get out is not supporting BSL. If I was a supporter of BSL I would have clearly said that staffies and their crosses should be eradicated altogether and I do not believe in that stance under no circumstance.

Actually, technically, BSL is "breed specific legislation", so if you think that legislation should be different for different breeds of dog, then you support BSL.

BSL isn't just about eradicating breeds. It means there will be laws specific to certain breeds.

Well, honestly speaking Staranais, I really thought that BSL was all about eradicating certain breeds of dogs especially given what had taken place in QLD where pet staffies were being ceased and destroyed even though they didn't commit any wrong doing. I was tears when reading that such things were taking place. I am all for ensuring that no more bloodshed is to take place and no owner should have to go through the nightmare of finding one's pet/s mauled by other dogs. Does that make me such a malicious person?

Yes, eradicating dog breeds is IMO certainly the worst aspect of BSL. But any legislation relating to breeds is technically BSL. So you can understand why people were getting rather confused when you were saying you didn't support BSL, but that you did want some breeds to be treated differently.

Personally, I can understand why some people think larger or more powerful breeds should have different laws surrounding them. There is no argument that a high drive or large dog is more likely to hurt someone than a tiny or placid dog is.

I don't think it's the right answer, but I can see why some people think it is.

Thank you for explaining Staranais.

[Abigail]

In saying that I believe that certain breeds of dogs and especially so a pack of staffies should be owned by someone that can ensure 100% that they cannot ever get out is not supporting BSL. If I was a supporter of BSL I would have clearly said that staffies and their crosses should be eradicated altogether and I do not believe in that stance under no circumstance.

You're doing it again

I genuinely and stupidly thought that BSL was only a law which worked towards eradication of certain breeds of dogs hence why I was adamant that I was not advocating BSL.

[toy dog]

i know the chi people personally and even after a year they are still crying, i believe one of the little chis was only a puppy.

i personally believe that the dogs acted as a pack as dogs do and all should be destroyed. what happens if a child was in a backyard somewhere with some small dogs and they attacked the child as well. could well happen when dogs act in a pack like this and go wild and back to basic instincts.

thats what it sounds like to me.

some people should not own dogs if they can't keep them in their own backyard, apparently the staffy crosses jumped the fence.

i heard the court ruling was: did not know which dog did the actual killing so all won't be put down? he still gets to have his dogs and he got charged $5000 in fines.

doesn't matter which dog did the killing they all did the killing in my opinion. and that is the difinition of dangerous dogs, what if it had of been a human baby. shudder to think.

[DerRottweiler]

doesn't matter which dog did the killing they all did the killing in my opinion. and that is the difinition of dangerous dogs, what if it had of been a human baby. shudder to think.

Dog aggressive dogs are not necessarily also aggressive towards humans. Chances are the

same dogs would have licked the baby.

Some dogs are inherently dog aggressive, this is nature.

If you have a dog aggressive dog, then it needs to be contained properly.

Simple as that.

[toy dog]

I guess little dogs can look like prey to other dogs, and I can see how a tiny dog could be attacked at off lead places as 'prey' by another dog. I don't understand what drove these dogs half a kilometer to kill 5 little dogs in their own garden. Awful.

Cant believe this f wit STILL has broken fencing

if you go to a dog show you will see the chihuahuas bark and be very noisy when a bigger dog walks into their area. chihuahuas sort of call the bigger dogs to them and get attention that way. its the breed. chis don't know their size and think they are much bigger so some are very confident even though they will come off second best being so small.

so what i think that happened was the little dogs would have been barking in their backyard and the bigger dogs would have been roaming the streets and been drawn in by the barks. and chihuahuas being chihuahuas would have defended themselves to the last straw poor babies.

once had a little tiny chihuahua boy that hated big dogs so much if a GSD or any dog would come sniffing him he'd bite their nose and the reaction by most bigger dogs lucky for this little chihuahua was fear. this is about 25 years ago now, today if that happened you'd be in trouble as no dog is supposed to be dog agressive or even agressive towards the judge ofcourse. can be reported and fined. even if the dog is a tiny chihuahua same rules apply. even though most would laugh.

Edited May 7, 2010 by toy dog

[toy dog]

doesn't matter which dog did the killing they all did the killing in my opinion. and that is the difinition of dangerous dogs, what if it had of been a human baby. shudder to think.

Dog aggressive dogs are not necessarily also aggressive towards humans. Chances are the

same dogs would have licked the baby.

Some dogs are inherently dog aggressive, this is nature.

If you have a dog aggressive dog, then it needs to be contained properly.

Simple as that.

maybe if the baby and mum had off been on their own with the owner the dogs would be ok, but im saying what if this baby had off been in amongst the smaller dogs and mum was somewhere else - hardly unlikely that would happen these days just a hypothetical, lots of what ifs, but the dogs on their own and baby out there amongst dogs what the outcome would have been, but like everyone else i do realise dog agressive and human agressive are completely different things.

[OSoSwift]

Note to self must tell very woosy Stafford he is a killer and should live in a concrete floored yard so as not to be a risk to society!

Must do it to the Whips as well, after all they would kill rabbits, other small fluffies and foxes given the opportunity.

I do not think this guy should get his dogs back. I know he has to comply with certain things, but I am sure in a few years the same sort of problems will crop up. Good fences need regular maintence to stay that way.

[Abigail]

Maybe one of them did do it but who are we to sit in judgement without the FACTS?? As I stated before there were no witnesses which is why the dogs have been handed back!

This is a case of passing the buck or backpeddling. I may not have been there to see those dogs attack but the chances

of other dogs being responsible for the killings are rather slim; too big a coincidence as far as I am concerned.

At the end of the day, staffies and the likes do indeed have a high prey drive as some posters here have stipulated, no ifs or buts. AND if BSL does not necessarily indicate such dogs being ceased from their owners and put to sleep then I am all for it! Yes, these breeds should have adequate fencing so they cannot jump or dig their way out; Yes, they should not be allowed off leash and Yes, no more than two per family! Those are my thoughts and I am sticking to them.

[Abigail]

... All the talk about staffies being Dog Aggressive just because of their breed is absolutely RIDICULOUS. I've known so many staffies, staffy crosses and other bully breed crosses who have been perfect with other dogs.. very friendly, very happy and very unlikely to start any fights! How the hell can people make such a blank generalization? ANY breed can be dog aggressive if not socialized properly from a young age, for instance my neighbours dog was badly savaged by a purebred GOLDEN RETRIEVER, of all things! It's just ridiculous to make such a huge statement like that and then only back it up with "well every staffy mix I've known has been aggressive so therefore they are all aggressive!" Seriously?

Honestly, this has all to do with the person who owned the dogs.. not the dogs themselves. ANY breed is capable of being dog aggressive, ALL dogs should be socialized, trained, and kept in secure yards.. people that dont realize this (such as the guy who owns these three dogs) are f***wits who dont deserve the companionship of a dog.

Yes, it is true that any breed of dog can be DA but lets be realistic here - the damage inflicted by a golden retriever versus a staffy or pitbull, well the way a staffy or pitbull latch on no golden retriever ever could, the damage inflicted by a staffy or pitbull is way more severe, I know as I have been in such situations. And to those who insist that it is all to do with the way the dog is raised = cobwash! Some dogs no matter how well treated and socialised can still have an attitude towards other dogs; that is a blatant attempt to go digging for excuses; yes some dogs can have a poor temperament due to upbringing but to utilise that excuse in all cases is wearing thin.

[cannibalgoldfish]

Yes, some dogs can be dog aggressive no matter what the upbringing is like. But a responsible owner would be aware of this and take steps to ensure it is never a problem....

[Zhou Xuanyao]

At it again Abigail. I thought it was settled and you had learned something as of post number 145, obviously not.

[Abigail]

At it again Abigail. I thought it was settled and you had learned something as of post number 145, obviously not.

Lo Pan, in post number 145 I admitted that I had no real knowledge of BSL; I really thought that it was about ceising pet dogs of the pitbull category and destroying them. I have since learned that BSL does not indicate this but instead is about implementing certain regulations pertaining to certain breeds of dogs and I don't agree with all of these regulations although I still insist that these dogs should be living in a secure are where they are virtually unable to escape and should never be allowed off leash. If this constitutes BSL then so be it. I don't think I am being unreasonable, surely?

Edited May 7, 2010 by Abigail

[Jed]

Abigail

I would most certainly not be comfortable in a forum that supports BSL ! You are right in saying that even westies and cavaliers are quite capable of killing, I suppose at the end of the day all breeds of dogs are capable of doing so. Just one little observation, Ernie, what do you mean that "any dog similarly treated and contained, could have perpetrated this attack" ? I wasn't under the impression that those staffy crosses were maltreated in any way therefore I would not blame their deed on that; obviously if they were contained and unable to get out the chihuahuas would still be alive and that is what I am supporting - a situation that ensures that dogs are unable to get out of their own property and find themselves on a killing spree.

Why, then, are you actively supporting BSL which goes against the ethos of 99% of the other posters?

Consider your stand, and consider whether you might be happier on another forum, which agrees with the way you think?

Lo Pan, in post number 145 I admitted that I had no real knowledge of BSL; I really thought that it was about ceising pet dogs of the pitbull category and destroying them. I have since learned that BSL does not indicate this but instead is about implementing certain regulations pertaining to certain breeds of dogs and I don't agree with all of these regulations although I still insist that these dogs should be living in a secure are where they are virtually unable to escape and should never be allowed off leash. If this constitutes BSL then so be it. I don't think I am being unreasonable, surely?

As you asked, yes you are being unreasonable, and you apparently don't have a clue what you are talking about, as demonstrated above, yet you are happy to argue on it

[BJean]

At it again Abigail. I thought it was settled and you had learned something as of post number 145, obviously not.

[BJean]

Yes, it is true that any breed of dog can be DA but lets be realistic here - the damage inflicted by a golden retriever versus a staffy or pitbull, well the way a staffy or pitbull latch on no golden retriever ever could, the damage inflicted by a staffy or pitbull is way more severe, I know as I have been in such situations. And to those who insist that it is all to do with the way the dog is raised = cobwash! Some dogs no matter how well treated and socialised can still have an attitude towards other dogs; that is a blatant attempt to go digging for excuses; yes some dogs can have a poor temperament due to upbringing but to utilise that excuse in all cases is wearing thin.

What about a newfoundland?

[Jed]

Abigail

Yes, it is true that any breed of dog can be DA but lets be realistic here - the damage inflicted by a golden retriever versus a staffy or pitbull, well the way a staffy or pitbull latch on no golden retriever ever could, the damage inflicted by a staffy or pitbull is way more severe, I know as I have been in such situations. And to those who insist that it is all to do with the way the dog is raised = cobwash!

Total, unmitigated crap. You have no idea. Rather than coming here and sprouting rubbish like this, which most of us know is totally wrong, please go away and do some serious research. The damage which any dog of any size is comparable. You need to go and research this.

Are you aware that St. Bernards have killed more people in the

USA than Dobermanns?

No, you aren't. If you want to continue to take part in discussions like this, please bring some facts with you.

toy dog

doesn't matter which dog did the killing they all did the killing in my opinion. and that is the difinition of dangerous dogs, what if it had of been a human baby. shudder to think

I agree with you on "which dog did the killing." They obviously acted as a pack. They may not even have been dog aggressive, it may have been pack behaviour. And I do think all three should have been euthanased. Dogs which will jump/crawl through/break a fence to attack other dogs need to have something done about them. Responsible people have fences which contain their dogs. It's sad that the dogs suffer for the acts of humans, but at least one of these dogs has proven he WILL kill another dog. He should not be allowed to do it again.

Tough on the dogs but a hell of a lot tougher on the poor little chihuahuas which were minding their own business, on their own property, harming no one, and were killed in the most horrible and terrifying way possible. Something they certainly didn't deserve. Nor did the poor owners, who will probably grieve for years.

Dog agression doesn't equate to human agression. On the other hand, dogs which form a pack and attack may well decide to attack a child, or a human. Who knows? It has happened though.

[toy dog]

toy dog

doesn't matter which dog did the killing they all did the killing in my opinion. and that is the difinition of dangerous dogs, what if it had of been a human baby. shudder to think

I agree with you on "which dog did the killing." They obviously acted as a pack. They may not even have been dog aggressive, it may have been pack behaviour. And I do think all three should have been euthanased. Dogs which will jump/crawl through/break a fence to attack other dogs need to have something done about them. Responsible people have fences which contain their dogs. It's sad that the dogs suffer for the acts of humans, but at least one of these dogs has proven he WILL kill another dog. He should not be allowed to do it again.

Tough on the dogs but a hell of a lot tougher on the poor little chihuahuas which were minding their own business, on their own property, harming no one, and were killed in the most horrible and terrifying way possible. Something they certainly didn't deserve. Nor did the poor owners, who will probably grieve for years.

Dog agression doesn't equate to human agression. On the other hand, dogs which form a pack and attack may well decide to attack a child, or a human. Who knows? It has happened though.

thats what i was trying to say who knows what happens with a pack of dogs that are left unchecked by an irresponsible owner. I mean we can debate about certain breeds who would cause the more damage but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean anything if you have an ignorant owner who only cares what happens to his dogs after the horse has bolted.

like everyone else i only got part of the story, i haven't really spoken to the the chi owners personally yet but i did over hear when they were telling someone else at the club that the court case has just finished after a year it happened, other owner got fined and he still has his dogs, which is just ridiculous, i dont' know if he has been ordered to keep them contained but most definately those dogs should be taken away from him because they will still be a problem in society and might kill someones beloved pet/s again.

and yes the owners are still crying and we are all crying with them poor dears