Graeme Posted May 4, 2010 Author Share Posted May 4, 2010 (edited) The dealings have been very odd with this breeder, that has interested others. The contract is for the bitch to have a litter and I receive my deposit back, she is not returning my deposit back due to the fact I had advice that no one would travel to WA to have pups and return after a Caesar within such a short period of time, it was suggested I contact others this is why she is not returning refund due to a date of a call made at that time. Sorry for the confusion Edited May 4, 2010 by Graeme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted May 4, 2010 Share Posted May 4, 2010 And I'm sorry, but it is really still no clearer. You've received the answer to your original question about timeframes and whether people would do it. If the breeder is still not returning the deposit after all terms and conditions have been met then your only recourse is civil action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 OP, are you even positive the bitch actually went to WA to whelp? Oh, dear, don't go there, dyzney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 (edited) The dealings have been very odd with this breeder, that has interested others.The contract is for the bitch to have a litter and I receive my deposit back, she is not returning my deposit back due to the fact I had advice that no one would travel to WA to have pups and return after a Caesar within such a short period of time, it was suggested I contact others this is why she is not returning refund due to a date of a call made at that time. Sorry for the confusion The original deal was that you paid a deposit. The bitch returned to the breeder for one litter. Then you were to receive your deposit back. Right? the breeder told you the bitch went to WA, had a caesarian, and was returned to her home state soon afterwards You were rather amazed about that, and were discussing it/asking questions about it. You didn't believe the bitch was sent to WA? Were your querying that? I don't understand "she is not returning refund due to date of a call made at the time" By "call", do you mean phone call? Is she not refunding because you asked questions about the bitch going to WA to whelp? If your contract says nothing about where the bitch should whelp, the breeder, legally should refund your deposit. Are you being punished for asking too many questions maybe? Was the bitch returned to you in good condition? Do you have any concerns about the care the bitch received? Is your main problem not being given a refund? Unless the contract stated otherwise, the breeder could send the bitch to Alaska to whelp if she wanted to, without breaching the contract, or giving you any reason for complaint. If the contract stated that your deposit would be refunded when the bitch had a litter, you are entitled to a refund. and I know quite a few people who sent bitches to WA to either be mated, whelp, and have the pups legally docked, and returned to their home state, without incident. I know a couple of breeders who did exactly the same thing, except it was to NZ. Now that docking is no longer legal in WA, many more will send bitches to NZ to whelp, and the bitch and pups to be returned. Many breeders are vehemently opposed to their breed not being docked. And if they feel strongly enough, and can afford it, they will send bitches away so they can have docked pups. I am strongly against some previously docked breeds not being docked. However, I did try it. I now have 2 undocked examples of a previously docked breed, and I am ok with that. Not happy, but ok. I have done the same with the other breed, so I have 2 undocked examples of that too. The second breed is a disaster with a tail, and as I will not be flying dogs to NZ, I will not breed that breed again. When I want another one, I will import one pupm, probably from NZ, as many breeders/exhibitors are doing, and will continue to do. Edited May 9, 2010 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkehre Posted May 11, 2010 Share Posted May 11, 2010 OP, are you even positive the bitch actually went to WA to whelp? Oh, dear, don't go there, dyzney sorry Jed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted May 17, 2010 Author Share Posted May 17, 2010 (edited) The dealings have been very odd with this breeder, that has interested others.The contract is for the bitch to have a litter and I receive my deposit back, she is not returning my deposit back due to the fact I had advice that no one would travel to WA to have pups and return after a Caesar within such a short period of time, it was suggested I contact others this is why she is not returning refund due to a date of a call made at that time. Sorry for the confusion The original deal was that you paid a deposit. The bitch returned to the breeder for one litter. Then you were to receive your deposit back. Right? YES the breeder told you the bitch went to WA, had a caesarian, and was returned to her home state soon afterwards NOT TOLD BITCH WENT TO W.A You were rather amazed about that, and were discussing it/asking questions about it. You didn't believe the bitch was sent to WA? Were your querying that? OTHERS WERE I don't understand "she is not returning refund due to date of a call made at the time" CORRECT By "call", do you mean phone call? CORRECT Is she not refunding because you asked questions about the bitch going to WA to whelp? NO If your contract says nothing about where the bitch should whelp, the breeder, legally should refund your deposit. CORRECT Are you being punished for asking too many questions maybe? CORRECT Was the bitch returned to you in good condition? Do you have any concerns about the care the bitch received? Is your main problem not being given a refund? BITCH OK ... REFUND YES Unless the contract stated otherwise, the breeder could send the bitch to Alaska to whelp if she wanted to, without breaching the contract, or giving you any reason for complaint. If the contract stated that your deposit would be refunded when the bitch had a litter, you are entitled to a refund. CORRECT and I know quite a few people who sent bitches to WA to either be mated, whelp, and have the pups legally docked, and returned to their home state, without incident. I know a couple of breeders who did exactly the same thing, except it was to NZ. Now that docking is no longer legal in WA, many more will send bitches to NZ to whelp, and the bitch and pups to be returned. Many breeders are vehemently opposed to their breed not being docked. And if they feel strongly enough, and can afford it, they will send bitches away so they can have docked pups. I am strongly against some previously docked breeds not being docked. However, I did try it. I now have 2 undocked examples of a previously docked breed, and I am ok with that. Not happy, but ok. I have done the same with the other breed, so I have 2 undocked examples of that too. The second breed is a disaster with a tail, and as I will not be flying dogs to NZ, I will not breed that breed again. When I want another one, I will import one pupm, probably from NZ, as many breeders/exhibitors are doing, and will continue to do. Why are tails docked? Edited June 13, 2010 by Graeme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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