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[Dog_Horse_Girl]

Why not point out all the potential problems, and then say something like, "But of course none of these things will happen to you or your bitch, just like all of the people we've just discussed believed it would not happen to them." I also like the idea of taking her to the local dog pound, but take it a step further: make her sit in on every PTS that day. Tell her that each of these dogs does not deserve to die, and likely each of them was brought into the world for a purpose other than being put down by a stranger after having spent up to a week in a lonely pound kennel. Tell her that the "breeders" who decided to make every one of those dogs genuinely believes their pups are in loving, permanent homes, and that it would come as a complete shock for them to learn otherwise, but that even if they did learn of their former pups' fate, they would do nothing to change it anyway. Ask her if she's willing to act as heartless herself or whether she would step in and re-claim her pups when they needed her to.

[Jed]

There needs to be a law controlling the breeding of dogs which I mentioned on another thread and IMHO it's the only way to stop this stupidity. Showing a council by-law that unregistered breeding carries a $5000 fine or something to that effect would stop many potential breedings.

I see where you are coming from - and from one viewpoint, I agree. However, from another, if this was done, it would mean that there would be no cross bred dogs in 5 years - if the law was policed. And it would be difficult to police. Council officers snooping in people's laundries doesn't have a good ring about it, and I very much doubt that it would stand up in court.

This takes away the option to own a cross bred dog, and not everyone wants a purebred.

I like my microchip idea much better.

Wish they'd enforce that.

[Black Bronson]

It sounds like an idea but how would one police such a thing?

The law it's self would prevent many breeding bearing in mind, not all BYB's are bad people just silly and would abide by such a law. It would be simple to catch illegal breaders as advertising would no longer be possible for unregistered breeders. There will always be black market breeding but I think a general law would help dramatically. I think perhaps the OP's reference would think twice if a law was in place???. At the moment, you can basically breed what you like when you like and is totally an unregulated system.

[Jed]

It sounds like an idea but how would one police such a thing?

The law it's self would prevent many breeding bearing in mind, not all BYB's are bad people just silly and would abide by such a law. It would be simple to catch illegal breaders as advertising would no longer be possible for unregistered breeders. There will always be black market breeding but I think a general law would help dramatically. I think perhaps the OP's reference would think twice if a law was in place???. At the moment, you can basically breed what you like when you like and is totally an unregulated system.

I think Brisbane City Council did this some years ago - 10 maybe? Ads disappeared from the papers. However, they are all back now, so whether the law was rescinded, or whether the BCC stopped policing it, I don't know.

I think the microchipping laws should be policed. Anyone breeding any canine should be advised that all pups must be microchipped. First contact is the current owner, second contact is the breeder. And the breeder's name, address, phone number and driving licence number is part of the details

If the dog fetches up in the pound, and the owner does not release it, the responsibility falls to the breeder. No fine, just a contact to say "come and collect the dog" withiin ..... (3 maybe?) days. If the breeder does not collect the dog, or make arrangements to take it from the pound, he is fined a substantial amount. $5000? (You said that, I like it )

The breeder can arrange for someone else to collect it, or he can arrange for it to be pts. A lot of "breeders" would opt for the second option. However, puppy farms would be appalled at the number of badly behaved adult dogs which came back to them. Occasional breeders (let the kids see pups)would be horrified when those staffy x mastiff x cattledog pups they gave away at the pub returned to their door step, feral, untrained, and ready to wreck the joint.

I really think after a year or two, some of those less responsible about where they home pups would rethink their breeding practices.

Responsible breeders, on the other hand, would be delighted. It wouldn't matter where one of ours fetched up, we have a network, someone would get it, and send it back to us - or home it for us from their contacts. I sometimes take dogs which need new homes for friends, until they can collect them.

Yep, it does seem unweildy. However, there would be very few dogs in pounds or rescue for weeks, and the time spent caring for them (and euthing and disposing of bodies) could be spent contacting breeders. The problem would reduce over a few years.

What do you think? Consider it carefully. I have.

Wont happen of course, major pounds are making too much out of their fertilizer contracts.

Then people could breed whatever they wanted - but they would have to home it responsibly. this is the problem now, not an oversupply of pups, an over supply of juvenile dogs which "did not meet expectations".

Sure, there would still be some dogs which slipped through the system. There always is, but the numbers would be drastically reduced. The problem would be the breeders. Which is where the responsibility should lie.

[Black Bronson]

There needs to be a law controlling the breeding of dogs which I mentioned on another thread and IMHO it's the only way to stop this stupidity. Showing a council by-law that unregistered breeding carries a $5000 fine or something to that effect would stop many potential breedings.

I see where you are coming from - and from one viewpoint, I agree. However, from another, if this was done, it would mean that there would be no cross bred dogs in 5 years - if the law was policed. And it would be difficult to police. Council officers snooping in people's laundries doesn't have a good ring about it, and I very much doubt that it would stand up in court.

This takes away the option to own a cross bred dog, and not everyone wants a purebred.

I like my microchip idea much better.

Wish they'd enforce that.

I don't really see any purpose in general cross bred dogs which by majority are what fill the pounds and rescue organisations. Cross breedings of no purpose I see as the crux of the homeless dog situation and the cause of the amount of homeless dogs being PTS as a result. Cross breedings in a regulated system could apply for a permit to do so but for a valid reason such as a specific working role etc, but having said that, approval of such a cross breeding would be met with a high level of breeder research into bloodlines and health aspects of the breeds they wish to cross for a given purpose. The idea is to stamp out the typical BYB type breedings as the OP is describing.

All crossbred dogs are modelled on a purebreed as their basic features and I don't see any valid reason why people need a bit of "this and that". Most who buy a crossbred puppy wouldn't know how the puppy will turn out in size, appearance and temperament and a more a lucky dip. Many "lucky dip" puppies are re-homed as adults turning out opposite to what the owners were looking for. At least with a purebreed, if they want a Jack Russel they can buy one, not a puppy that looks like a JR that ends up part Great Dane