Bubitty Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I always said I NEVER get another small breed dog. I'm going to get a Japanese Spitz.I always said I NEVER get a female dog. Looks like I may end up with one. So... ;) Me too. I always said I would never have another Golden and definitely never a male one yet there is strangely a 10 month old siting in my backyard. Awww why would you say that! Can't ever have enough goldens You need another one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 ;) not to hijack the thread, but my vet desexed charlie at 5.5 months no questions asked...is that wrong? Could i have damaged him somehow? I feel a little worried now....... No, he won't be "damaged" by the op. However the removal of his testes will impact on when his growth plates close. He'll grow for longer than he would have done if he'd not been desexed. That's probably going to make him taller with longer femurs than he would have had otherwise - that can impact on the angles of other bones and ligaments. Anywhoo, Dr Christine Zink explains all this in her article here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
di_dee1 Posted April 21, 2010 Share Posted April 21, 2010 I have just had my female ACD desexed at 5 and a half months. There is no way I would personally do this before now. My male from the litter will be done later. Their mother came into season at 6 months and even though I was paranoid about that I still waited for the time between chemotherapy and my radiation treatments to do this in the best interest of my bitch. My vet, who will not desex under 6 months was great that he would do it 2 weeks early to fit around my treatments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss B Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 I can understand the breeders concerns, as BYB are an increasing problem in our breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Bronson Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Why would a breeder have a desexing clause???. A limited register takes care of registered breedings anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Why would a breeder have a desexing clause???. A limited register takes care of registered breedings anyway To prevent BYBs and puppy farmers breeding from their stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzat Xolo Posted April 22, 2010 Share Posted April 22, 2010 Why would a breeder have a desexing clause???. A limited register takes care of registered breedings anyway I have a desex allbefore they leave me, the only ones that leave whole are dogs in joint names. The main reason breeders desex pups at an early age (8 - 12 weeks) is that people have been known not to keep to their word, the limited register alone does not stop people ( reputable or not, reg breeder or puppy farmer) from breeding with a dog. Thats my answer anyway, others may have their own reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Bronson Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Why would a breeder have a desexing clause???. A limited register takes care of registered breedings anyway I have a desex allbefore they leave me, the only ones that leave whole are dogs in joint names. The main reason breeders desex pups at an early age (8 - 12 weeks) is that people have been known not to keep to their word, the limited register alone does not stop people ( reputable or not, reg breeder or puppy farmer) from breeding with a dog. Thats my answer anyway, others may have their own reasons. Limited register prevents ligitimate breedings that could effect the breeders bloodlines as such, but as for unpapered breedings, BYB's etc, I can't see how that effects the breeder to the point of requiring a desexing clause???. Puppy farmers will breed regardless, so perhaps breeding from quality stock instead of breeding just anything isn't so bad???. I wasn't aware that puppy farmers generally purchase papered puppies for breeding, but perhaps they do??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Why would a breeder have a desexing clause???. A limited register takes care of registered breedings anyway I have a desex allbefore they leave me, the only ones that leave whole are dogs in joint names. The main reason breeders desex pups at an early age (8 - 12 weeks) is that people have been known not to keep to their word, the limited register alone does not stop people ( reputable or not, reg breeder or puppy farmer) from breeding with a dog. Thats my answer anyway, others may have their own reasons. Limited register prevents ligitimate breedings that could effect the breeders bloodlines as such, but as for unpapered breedings, BYB's etc, I can't see how that effects the breeder to the point of requiring a desexing clause???. Puppy farmers will breed regardless, so perhaps breeding from quality stock instead of breeding just anything isn't so bad???. I wasn't aware that puppy farmers generally purchase papered puppies for breeding, but perhaps they do??? because each litter than is desexed prior to homing, is a litter of dogs that cannot reproduce, which otherwise may have gone on to contribute to the number of dogs in pounds etc. Also, I think most responsible breeders don't want their bloodlines associated with BYB's and puppy farmers. BYB's and dodgy Reg. breeders will cash in on the good breeders lines if they manage to obtain a dog from that kennel. And people buy it because they know that 'Awesome' kennels breed dogs, but may not have puppies available, so they go to 'Shonky' kennels who advertising their puppies as being from 'Awesome' lines. Plenty of people believe that because they have a purebred with papers that it must be worth breeding with, so they do, with no idea on what they're doing, other than making puppies, who in turn go on to make puppies and potentially living in puppy farm conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazzat Xolo Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 Why would a breeder have a desexing clause???. A limited register takes care of registered breedings anyway I have a desex allbefore they leave me, the only ones that leave whole are dogs in joint names. The main reason breeders desex pups at an early age (8 - 12 weeks) is that people have been known not to keep to their word, the limited register alone does not stop people ( reputable or not, reg breeder or puppy farmer) from breeding with a dog. Thats my answer anyway, others may have their own reasons. Limited register prevents ligitimate breedings that could effect the breeders bloodlines as such, but as for unpapered breedings, BYB's etc, I can't see how that effects the breeder to the point of requiring a desexing clause???. Puppy farmers will breed regardless, so perhaps breeding from quality stock instead of breeding just anything isn't so bad???. I wasn't aware that puppy farmers generally purchase papered puppies for breeding, but perhaps they do??? I dont have a desexing clause I justr desex anyway, ( I may have misread your post) ?? I as a breeder of a very rare breed do not want anyone who I have not authorised to breed from any of my stock, hence why I desex my dogs before they leave, it has nothing to do with Puppy Farmers, BYBs or any breeder I have my own reasons from a great mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippets Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 not to hijack the thread, but my vet desexed charlie at 5.5 months no questions asked...is that wrong? Could i have damaged him somehow? I feel a little worried now....... No, he won't be "damaged" by the op. However the removal of his testes will impact on when his growth plates close. He'll grow for longer than he would have done if he'd not been desexed. That's probably going to make him taller with longer femurs than he would have had otherwise - that can impact on the angles of other bones and ligaments. Anywhoo, Dr Christine Zink explains all this in her article here I understand the reasoning with the hormones behind this one but how could anyone really know how tall or small the dog would have been if he kept his testicles. I've had 2 male whippets desexed at 12 weeks of age and both are smaller than the entire brother sitting in my backyard. I know that is only 3 dogs but still.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 I got my dog from AWL and they had desexed her at 8 weeks old. As far as they're concerned - the benefits of desexing before handing the dog over to new owners, far out weighs the problems. And I haven't had any problems. She's a great groveller and has the most non-threatening friendly approach to people and dogs I've ever seen. Not sure if that's related but bonus if it is. At 1 year and 7 months, she also doesn't mark over other dog's pee spots. Which is another bonus as far as I am concerned. http://www.ndn.org.au/ The link would probably help you find a vet who will desex when you want for a price or payment plan you can afford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Posted April 23, 2010 Share Posted April 23, 2010 And I haven't had any problems. She's a great groveller and has the most non-threatening friendly approach to people and dogs I've ever seen. Not sure if that's related but bonus if it is. At 1 year and 7 months, she also doesn't mark over other dog's pee spots. Which is another bonus as far as I am concerned. Sounds just like my girl who is entire. I don't believe any of what you've mentioned is due to being desexed or not. We just got lucky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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