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nikrhithokaylin

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Hi everyone

We have a litter of six CKCS puppies, born on monday, non complicated birth (after last time, thank god!!).

Or problem is that the little runt was born at 159g, dropped to 140 by tuesday and has wavered within 1-2 gs above and below that, but we can not get him to put on weight.

We have been supplementing (via syringe) with animalac as well as putting him on mum. For the first few days he was not sucking enough to get anything out but now is.

Last night we researched to see if there was anything else we could find out and do. He is not showing signs of a chilled puppy or fading puppy. Mum found a recipe Puppy Supplement (evap milk, plain yoghurt, egg yolk, water and nutipet gel). He has had this twice today.

But again at his weigh in today he is only 140grams. Other puppies weights are 365, 280, 355, 350 and 194 (which is not the best either but he is steadily putting on)

This is him against the 3rd smallest puppy (sorry others were feeding) will try and post more later.

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Any advice would be very much appreciated, we have never had a puppy like this before, and are running out of things we know to do.

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Has puppy got a good sucking reflex?

I would suggest taking puppy off mum and totally monitoring how much it gets via bottle

If not feeding good off bottle then I would suggest that puppy is tube fed.

There ae good articles that explain tue feeding or ask yourvet. Dont leave it too long though

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Has puppy got a good sucking reflex?

I would suggest taking puppy off mum and totally monitoring how much it gets via bottle

If not feeding good off bottle then I would suggest that puppy is tube fed.

There ae good articles that explain tue feeding or ask yourvet. Dont leave it too long though

Puppy has great sucking reflex now, didn't at first which is why we went for the syringe.

when he gets on Mum now he goes hell for leather which he wasn't doing in the first 2 days.

My biggest worry is that we were supplement feeding him and he was still getting on mum and he still wasn't gaining anything.

Do you think that if he is suckling we should still remove him. I am going to have trouble getting a tube to feed him as I already did the ring around of a few vets to try and get one just in case, and they wouldn't give me one!

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I've had this with a couple of pups. I supplement feed about every 4 hours in the first week - day and night - I found leaving them with mum over night, they would loose what they had put on during the day but with feeding in the night, they would slowly start to gain. One of these pups went down to under 100g and I got him through and he is now a healthy 2 year old.

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have u tried beefliver t ??

is pupwarm enough do not let him chill .

Beef liver recipe is..... boil a piece of beef liver till the blood runs out ,strain liquid & fed to pup(an eYe droper works well for this ) 4drops every 2hrs for 12 hrs ,then every 4 hrs until pup is thriving.

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Birthweight 08/11/2004 220

pm 08/11/2004 0 215 -5

am 09/11/2004 1 200 -15

pm 09/11/2004 1 195 -5

am 10/11/2004 2 189 -6

pm 10/11/2004 2 185 -4

am 11/11//2004 3 188 3

pm 11/11/2004 3 180 -8

am 12/04/2004 4 178 -2

pm 12/11/2004 4 180 2

am 13/11/2004 5 180 0

pm 13/11/2004 5 187 7

am 14/11/2004 6 214 27

pm 14/11/2004 6 224 10

am 15/11/2004 7 225 1

pm 15/11/2004 7 232 7

am 16/11/2004 8 241 9

pm 16/11/2004 8 252 11

am 17/11/2004 9 253 1

pm 17/11/2004 9 270 17

Pup2

Birthweight 08/11/2004 210

pm 08/11/2004 0 198 -12

am 09/11/2004 1 185 -13

pm 09/11/2004 1 165 -20

am 10/11/2004 2 164 -1

pm 10/11/2004 2 167 3

am 11/11//2004 3 160 -7

pm 11/11/2004 3 160 0

am 12/04/2004 4 159 -1

pm 12/11/2004 4 167 3

am 13/11/2004 5 163 26

pm 13/11/2004 5 166 3

am 14/11/2004 6 192 26

pm 14/11/2004 6 202 10

am 15/11/2004 7 224 22

pm 15/11/2004 7 198 -26

am 16/11/2004 8 193 -5

pm 16/11/2004 8 197 4

am 17/11/2004 9

pm 17/11/2004 9

Pup3

Birthweight 08/11/2004 180

pm 08/11/2004 0 175 -5

am 09/11/2004 1 168 -7

pm 09/11/2004 1 168 0

am 10/11/2004 2 151 -17

pm 10/11/2004 2 154 3

am 11/11//2004 3 162 8

pm 11/11/2004 3 160 -2

am 12/04/2004 4 158 -2

pm 12/11/2004 4 163 5

am 13/11/2004 5 163 0 BASE

pm 13/11/2004 5 167 4

am 14/11/2004 6 189 22

pm 14/11/2004 6 190 1

am 15/11/2004 7 188 -2

pm 15/11/2004 7 191 3

am 16/11/2004 8 191 0

pm 16/11/2004 8 207 16

am 17/11/2004 9 200 -7

pm 17/11/2004 9 213 13

Middle pup died.

Can see from other two weights went up and down.

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have u tried beefliver t ??

is pupwarm enough do not let him chill .

Beef liver recipe is..... boil a piece of beef liver till the blood runs out ,strain liquid & fed to pup(an eYe droper works well for this ) 4drops every 2hrs for 12 hrs ,then every 4 hrs until pup is thriving.

Hi

Yes we gave him beef liver tea, forgot to add that in, and I credit that to him gaining energy. Should I continue to give him this until he gains weight?

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have u tried beefliver t ??

is pupwarm enough do not let him chill .

Beef liver recipe is..... boil a piece of beef liver till the blood runs out ,strain liquid & fed to pup(an eYe droper works well for this ) 4drops every 2hrs for 12 hrs ,then every 4 hrs until pup is thriving.

Hi

Yes we gave him beef liver tea, forgot to add that in, and I credit that to him gaining energy. Should I continue to give him this until he gains weight?

He is now having NeutriPet Gel...does this do the same as Beef Liver Tea?

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have u tried beefliver t ??

is pupwarm enough do not let him chill .

Beef liver recipe is..... boil a piece of beef liver till the blood runs out ,strain liquid & fed to pup(an eYe droper works well for this ) 4drops every 2hrs for 12 hrs ,then every 4 hrs until pup is thriving.

Hi

Yes we gave him beef liver tea, forgot to add that in, and I credit that to him gaining energy. Should I continue to give him this until he gains weight?

He is now having NeutriPet Gel...does this do the same as Beef Liver Tea?

Be careful not to go overboard in the remedies & forget the simple milk aspect.

You dont want the pup to be on a high & then flop.

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Be careful not to go overboard in the remedies & forget the simple milk aspect.

You dont want the pup to be on a high & then flop.

Yes that is exactly my worry.......he is full of energy, crawling around the whelping box, getting on mum by himself etc. So do you think we should just give him milk?

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Definitely tube him. Even with a strong sucking reflex, at that weight he will use up a good part of his caloric intake in energy expended by sucking.

If he is basically healthy, then don't worry so much about "remedies", just get good amounts, regularly of a good quality milk replacement into him. And I'd be thinking probably 3 or 4 hourly around the clock wouldn't be inappropriate. Wombaroo and Animalac are my two supplements of choice. They are higher in solid contents which results in slower absorbtion and slightly longer between feeds than Divetelac.

You can purchase everything you need from Sway and she is prompt and easy to deal with. Cannot recommend her services highly enough.

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You could also look at letting him feed seperately from the other but use one/or all of them to do the work for him and get the milk down. Once it's down let him feed on the 'good' nipple so he is not using all his energy.

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If the pup has a strong suckling reflex and is otherwise healthy, just not gaining weight - you have to consider an underlying cause - either physical defect or underlying infection.

An underlying infection that is just at bay will weaken the pup, cause a pup to feed ineffectively and drain the pup of energy.

Clavulox or Amoxicillin twice a day will not hurt, and will prevent the puppy succombing to illness either from anything current or because of a weakened system.

Human Amoxicillin is fine but you need to make it soluble in order to administer the correct dose - if you have human Amoxicillin at home but dont know how to make it into a soluble formula, send me a PM and I can tell you how to mix it up to the correct dose for the pup.

I had a puppy last litter that did not gain weight, so I had the pup on Amoxicillin from day 4 to day 8. When I stopped with the Amoxicillin the pup overnight seemed to succomb to pneumonia.

So off to the vets and administered a clavulox injection - puppy went on to thrive and catch up to her siblings.

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I am going to have trouble getting a tube to feed him as I already did the ring around of a few vets to try and get one just in case, and they wouldn't give me one!

That is rude!!

For future reference I sell them

Feeding Tubes

Swayed, thank you, I know, I ordered one from you but it came a day too late (not your fault, ordered it monday we got it wednesday) . We lost him, he developed pneamonia, which I am sure came from inhaled milk when we were trying to feed him with a syringe, and went down hill extremlly quickly.

RIP Gizmo :laugh:

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Swayed, thank you, I know, I ordered one from you but it came a day too late (not your fault, ordered it monday we got it wednesday) . We lost him, he developed pneamonia, which I am sure came from inhaled milk when we were trying to feed him with a syringe, and went down hill extremlly quickly.

RIP Gizmo :thumbsup:

:rofl:

Yes that is often what happens with weak puppies; they are not strong enough to suckle properly from mouth to gut.

Next time :)

(hopefully never, touch wood :()

if you have a puppy that is not gaining weight, give them ABs so they have something to fight with :mad

Their weakend system cannot fight anything on its own, hence ABs to either contend with an underlying infrection or prevent a new infection taking hold.

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