Pyometra Information And Advice Needed Please

[justicesmum]

Hello I would like to hear from everyone who has experienced open pyo in a maiden bitch . She was treated sucessfully ( responded well to medications ) and now is in the stage of short cycling ( common after pyo treatment ) she is looking to come into seaon again but the problem is it has only been 3 months since she was last in .

She has been put on to antibotics , but Im wondering do I take my chance and mate her via TCI ? Has anyone had a similar experience ? I would appreciate any advice , information , good and bad experiences please .

How long after treatment did everyone elses girls return in to season ??

Thank you in advance

Kindest Regards

Sandra

[oakway]

If it was me, I would be speaking to a repo specialist.

[justicesmum]

If it was me, I would be speaking to a repo specialist.

Hello ,

We are under Fiona at Matamata ,Glenbred Reproduction NZ .

We just wanted to know and find out other peoples experiences with pyo .

Regards

Sandra

[justicesmum]

Can anyone else offer their experiences ??

[Aziah]

As hard as it was I spayed mine, I couldn't go through what I did with her again and it's still very raw in my mind some 2 years later...

Whatever you decide I wish you all the best

[puglvr]

My only experience with Pyo was a 15 month old bitch who was the last from her mother. She had had 3 seasons and when I spoke to the repro vet she advised "she wouldn't let the sun go down on pyo" Treating with "whatever was not even bought up. She had closed pyo but it had opened. We had her speyed.

[justicesmum]

As hard as it was I spayed mine, I couldn't go through what I did with her again and it's still very raw in my mind some 2 years later...

Whatever you decide I wish you all the best

Thank you . I think I will spay my girl if she gets it again also .

[justicesmum]

My only experience with Pyo was a 15 month old bitch who was the last from her mother. She had had 3 seasons and when I spoke to the repro vet she advised "she wouldn't let the sun go down on pyo" Treating with "whatever was not even bought up. She had closed pyo but it had opened. We had her speyed.

So was treatment unsuccessful ??

My girl had open pyo and I hope we can get through this season and the pyo doesnt return .

I feel she is worth the chance ..

[puglvr]

Was treatment successful? She wasn't treated for pyo as such. She had "closed pyo" for about 2 1/2 weeks because we could not work out what was wrong with her. She started showing symptoms about 14 days into her 3rd season and was put on antibiotics straight away. She was her usual self and would eat and go for 2 km walks ect but her tempreture would go up and she'd shiver ect. I wasn't until I was taking her back to the vet for about the 4th time becuase she was leaking and we thought she might have a urinary infection that the pus started to come out.

Her utereus even after it had expelled a lot of pus weighed 1 1/2 kilos.

I do have a friend who had an bitch with pyo and she went down the same path you did she had one litter and then it reoccurreed and she had to have the bitch speyed.

[justicesmum]

Was treatment successful? She wasn't treated for pyo as such. She had "closed pyo" for about 2 1/2 weeks because we could not work out what was wrong with her. She started showing symptoms about 14 days into her 3rd season and was put on antibiotics straight away. She was her usual self and would eat and go for 2 km walks ect but her tempreture would go up and she'd shiver ect. I wasn't until I was taking her back to the vet for about the 4th time becuase she was leaking and we thought she might have a urinary infection that the pus started to come out.

Her utereus even after it had expelled a lot of pus weighed 1 1/2 kilos.

I do have a friend who had an bitch with pyo and she went down the same path you did she had one litter and then it reoccurreed and she had to have the bitch speyed.

Goodness diagnosis took a while to be discovered for your girl.

Did your friends bitch short cycle after treatment by much more than a normal season cycle length ??

This is the part I am having problems finding answers for , as they do short cycle after treatment but has anyone been lucky enough to get a pregnancy from a bitch with a 3month cycle after treated ?

Thank you for your time to share experiences etc I appreciate it .

Kindest Regards

Sandra

[Aziah]

I'll tell you my story and you can decide if you continue...

My bitch had a juvenile form of pyo as a young puppy and due to her being under 12 months at the time we did not want to treat with Baytril so found an old antibiotic and treated with that.

A few season later I decided to breed her (with no signs since the juvenile pyo episode)...bred her, confirmed in whelp via ultrasound at 4 weeks. At 6 weeks gestation the same discharge returned, we had no choice but to treat with Baytril this time, discharge disappeared but come whelping time it was a whole new nightmare.

NINE puppies all the size of small mice, all toxic and none viable...she was spayed some months later.

[justicesmum]

Aziah , Im so sorry to hear that your experience didnt end well at all . I do however appreciate you taking the time to share that with me as I understand it would of been a horrible experience .

Do you feel it was the anitbotic that caused the problem ?

We also didnt use Baytril and used clavulox instead .

Kindest Regards

Sandra

[Aziah]

Aziah , Im so sorry to hear that your experience didnt end well at all . I do however appreciate you taking the time to share that with me as I understand it would of been a horrible experience .

Do you feel it was the anitbotic that caused the problem ?

We also didnt use Baytril and used clavulox instead .

Kindest Regards

Sandra

No, the infection had already taken its toll on those babies, one boy who was a tad bigger than his siblings lived 24 hours but I always knew he'd be toxic too...

If you cleared it up with Clavulox I hold hope for your next attempt, ensure the moment she comes into season that she starts taking Clavulox and you don't stop them until the babies arrive (I have had success with this method previously).

The bitch I speak of was allergic to penicillin and regarless, the bacteria she had wasn't responsive to anything bar Baytril.

[justicesmum]

Aziah , Im so sorry to hear that your experience didnt end well at all . I do however appreciate you taking the time to share that with me as I understand it would of been a horrible experience .

Do you feel it was the anitbotic that caused the problem ?

We also didnt use Baytril and used clavulox instead .

Kindest Regards

Sandra

No, the infection had already taken its toll on those babies, one boy who was a tad bigger than his siblings lived 24 hours but I always knew he'd be toxic too...

If you cleared it up with Clavulox I hold hope for your next attempt, ensure the moment she comes into season that she starts taking Clavulox and you don't stop them until the babies arrive (I have had success with this method previously).

The bitch I speak of was allergic to penicillin and regarless, the bacteria she had wasn't responsive to anything bar Baytril.

It must been hard knowing there was nothing you could do for the wee boy ...

She responded well to Clav so that is what we have stuck with and infection hasnt built a resistance to it yet ..

She is in season as mentioned and I have her on Clav . Im so pleased to hear this method has worked for you . With the girl it worked on .. How soon after did we return into season ? Was the first time you mated her successful ? did pyo reoccur later down the track ? Did you do anything else to help the uterus heal , or help to concieve etc

Sorry about all the questions ..

Regards

Sandra

[Aziah]

She'd had a litter December 2007 (6 babies), I bred her again September 2008 which was the pyo episode (open) but it responded immediately to Clavulox.

I didn't breed her again until late last year (at the age of 6), she remained on the Clav the entire way through and had 3 babies, I don't however attribute the small number to anything other than her being a little older and no where near as fit.

ETA: the seasons in between those time carried on as normal (she always cycled every 5 months) and there was no need to use AB's until we actually went ahead and bred her.

I hope this is of some help

Edited April 8, 2010 by Aziah

[justicesmum]

She'd had a litter December 2007 (6 babies), I bred her again September 2008 which was the pyo episode (open) but it responded immediately to Clavulox.

I didn't breed her again until late last year (at the age of 6), she remained on the Clav the entire way through and had 3 babies, I don't however attribute the small number to anything other than her being a little older and no where near as fit.

ETA: the seasons in between those time carried on as normal (she always cycled every 5 months) and there was no need to use AB's until we actually went ahead and bred her.

I hope this is of some help

Thanks Aziah . My bitch is a maiden so that may be our down fall sadly . So hard to know . I guess we are just going to have to ride it out , watch for any discharge , keep her on abs , mate her and hope for the best ...

Thanks again

[OSoSwift]

My bitch had an open pyo at day 24 of her season (she was a dog who's season went for a good 4 weeks)

She had been mated late in one season ( I think two before that one) and had only one pup, all good no infection etc. She was 4 I think, when she got her Pyo. The discharge was the nastiest stinking stuff ever.

She was swabbed and started on Clavulox until the results were back. Her results came back and they were the correct ones to use so we continued with those. She was on antibiotics for 6 weeks solid. From memory she was desexed about 5 months later, it was before she had another season, and her uterus was completely normal and the lining etc was all normal.

She was desexed as she had gained her Ch title and was retired from the show ring and obedience was our main focus. It was also because I didn't want to breed from her myself and I didn't want to risk another season and another potential Pyo.

Good luck.

[justicesmum]

My bitch had an open pyo at day 24 of her season (she was a dog who's season went for a good 4 weeks)

She had been mated late in one season ( I think two before that one) and had only one pup, all good no infection etc. She was 4 I think, when she got her Pyo. The discharge was the nastiest stinking stuff ever.

She was swabbed and started on Clavulox until the results were back. Her results came back and they were the correct ones to use so we continued with those. She was on antibiotics for 6 weeks solid. From memory she was desexed about 5 months later, it was before she had another season, and her uterus was completely normal and the lining etc was all normal.

She was desexed as she had gained her Ch title and was retired from the show ring and obedience was our main focus. It was also because I didn't want to breed from her myself and I didn't want to risk another season and another potential Pyo.

Good luck.

Thank you for sharing your experience with your girl , It all makes for interesting reading and thought . It is positive to hear your girls uterus was completely normal and the lining etc was all normal. I hope with very careful management we can at least keep my girl pyo free this season and try and get an extended season from her . Mind you I dont know if that will affect fertility levels or not ????

Clav has worked for my girl also , which I am hoping the infection wont bulid a resistance to ....

Some people have suggested Rashberry leaf tablets to help get the uterus lining ready prior to mating ??? Has anyone used it and felt it was a good product ????

Thank you again and I appreciate everyones replies .