Dog Attack -> Potential Bsl Convert

[jules1]

Well, if we can only have our dogs off-leash in our own back-yards, than people in the eastern suburbs shouldn't be allowed to have dogs because most of us don't have huge back-yards. I do not think that we should not be able to use any of the parks in the area. I don't think an acceptable solution is to consider all the parks off-limits, even for the adult dogs? I don't want anything to happen to my puppy, but to me that's like saying, oh, better home school the kids, and put them in bubbles because they might get hurt?

That's a bit over the top don't you think? I rarely take my dog to off leash parks and he rarely ventures into the backyard. I do, though, take him for a 2-3km walk/jog every day. If I want to let him have a big run, I take him up to the local school and let him have a play on the oval.

IMO, leash walking for exercise provides for a more stable mind. You can't really go wrong with a good long daily on lead walk - its good for you, its good for the dog and it enforces the pack mentality and leadership.

But you know that Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked - the same rules apply to them as to Danes while they are growing.

slightly OT sorry - I wasn't aware about the "Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked"? I did a quick google search, but couldn't find anything... - our dobe puppy is only leash walked at the moment as he has no recall to speak of yet, can you please give me more info? Why shouldn't they be leash walked? Is it bad physically? Or mentally? Got me a bit worried now!!

[tarope]

Well, if we can only have our dogs off-leash in our own back-yards, than people in the eastern suburbs shouldn't be allowed to have dogs because most of us don't have huge back-yards. I do not think that we should not be able to use any of the parks in the area. I don't think an acceptable solution is to consider all the parks off-limits, even for the adult dogs? I don't want anything to happen to my puppy, but to me that's like saying, oh, better home school the kids, and put them in bubbles because they might get hurt?

That's a bit over the top don't you think? I rarely take my dog to off leash parks and he rarely ventures into the backyard. I do, though, take him for a 2-3km walk/jog every day. If I want to let him have a big run, I take him up to the local school and let him have a play on the oval.

IMO, leash walking for exercise provides for a more stable mind. You can't really go wrong with a good long daily on lead walk - its good for you, its good for the dog and it enforces the pack mentality and leadership.

But you know that Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked - the same rules apply to them as to Danes while they are growing.

slightly OT sorry - I wasn't aware about the "Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked"? I did a quick google search, but couldn't find anything... - our dobe puppy is only leash walked at the moment as he has no recall to speak of yet, can you please give me more info? Why shouldn't they be leash walked? Is it bad physically? Or mentally? Got me a bit worried now!!

I think it means pups are still growing and should not be over exercised, a short walk around the yard of 5mins is enough. At 4mths you can go to obedience training, but still take it easy.

Dobes,GSD's and Rottie pups should not walk on slippery floors for the first 12mths to protect their hips.

[blacklabrador]

Well, if we can only have our dogs off-leash in our own back-yards, than people in the eastern suburbs shouldn't be allowed to have dogs because most of us don't have huge back-yards. I do not think that we should not be able to use any of the parks in the area. I don't think an acceptable solution is to consider all the parks off-limits, even for the adult dogs? I don't want anything to happen to my puppy, but to me that's like saying, oh, better home school the kids, and put them in bubbles because they might get hurt?

That's a bit over the top don't you think? I rarely take my dog to off leash parks and he rarely ventures into the backyard. I do, though, take him for a 2-3km walk/jog every day. If I want to let him have a big run, I take him up to the local school and let him have a play on the oval.

IMO, leash walking for exercise provides for a more stable mind. You can't really go wrong with a good long daily on lead walk - its good for you, its good for the dog and it enforces the pack mentality and leadership.

But you know that Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked - the same rules apply to them as to Danes while they are growing.

slightly OT sorry - I wasn't aware about the "Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked"? I did a quick google search, but couldn't find anything... - our dobe puppy is only leash walked at the moment as he has no recall to speak of yet, can you please give me more info? Why shouldn't they be leash walked? Is it bad physically? Or mentally? Got me a bit worried now!!

I think it means pups are still growing and should not be over exercised, a short walk around the yard of 5mins is enough. At 4mths you can go to obedience training, but still take it easy.

Dobes,GSD's and Rottie pups should not walk on slippery floors for the first 12mths to protect their hips.

Yep leash training is fine but I was responding to a suggestion of long daily walks which is not recommended for pups of large breeds until after 12 months. Free running is recommended until then.

Any large breed pups should not be running on slippery floors.

[jules1]

Well, if we can only have our dogs off-leash in our own back-yards, than people in the eastern suburbs shouldn't be allowed to have dogs because most of us don't have huge back-yards. I do not think that we should not be able to use any of the parks in the area. I don't think an acceptable solution is to consider all the parks off-limits, even for the adult dogs? I don't want anything to happen to my puppy, but to me that's like saying, oh, better home school the kids, and put them in bubbles because they might get hurt?

That's a bit over the top don't you think? I rarely take my dog to off leash parks and he rarely ventures into the backyard. I do, though, take him for a 2-3km walk/jog every day. If I want to let him have a big run, I take him up to the local school and let him have a play on the oval.

IMO, leash walking for exercise provides for a more stable mind. You can't really go wrong with a good long daily on lead walk - its good for you, its good for the dog and it enforces the pack mentality and leadership.

But you know that Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked - the same rules apply to them as to Danes while they are growing.

slightly OT sorry - I wasn't aware about the "Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked"? I did a quick google search, but couldn't find anything... - our dobe puppy is only leash walked at the moment as he has no recall to speak of yet, can you please give me more info? Why shouldn't they be leash walked? Is it bad physically? Or mentally? Got me a bit worried now!!

I think it means pups are still growing and should not be over exercised, a short walk around the yard of 5mins is enough. At 4mths you can go to obedience training, but still take it easy.

Dobes,GSD's and Rottie pups should not walk on slippery floors for the first 12mths to protect their hips.

Yep leash training is fine but I was responding to a suggestion of long daily walks which is not recommended for pups of large breeds until after 12 months. Free running is recommended until then.

Any large breed pups should not be running on slippery floors.

Thanks for the quick responses His leash walks even at the beach at the moment are only 10-15 mins of fairly slow "meandering" (too many interesting smells etc to walk fast!) He free-runs a bit in the back yard when we have 'play-time' (usually followed by a very long nap). We do have some tiled areas of the house that are a bit slippery, but they can't be avoided, thankfully he doesn't really run in the house so should be OK.

I guess I should put some questions in the puppy forum, rather than hijacking this thread - but thankyou all for your help - just trying to do the right thing

[Rozzie]

I have never met a dog behaviourist (regardless of methods) who is a fan of off leash parks.

As for the parvo thing, a friend of mine had parvo with a pup recently, which survived, they also own a rottie and were advised by a specialist that black and tan dogs are more susceptible to parvo than others, this was a specialist vet that told them and I did google it and there appears to be quite a bit of literature that supports that.

If it were my dog I would:

a. not be having it anywhere near an off-leash dog park,

b. be wary of parvo and be avoiding off-leash for that reason too.

As for the BSL comment, I agree with Poodlefan about the irony given the OP's breed of choice, dobermans were the idiots breed of choice at one time - devils dogs I think that's what they were.

Barkbusters do, when I employed them to help Kenny after his 3 attacks to get over his fear aggression, the first thing he did was take me & Kenny to an off lead park with about 50 dogs running loose, I didn't even let Kenny out of the car as he was already stressing seeing dogs running up to my car. Bloody idiot & they wouldn't refund the $200 I paid them, because I wouldn't follow what the moron wanted me to do.

Barkbusters aren't dog behaviourists though...

[huski]

Barkbusters do, when I employed them to help Kenny after his 3 attacks to get over his fear aggression, the first thing he did was take me & Kenny to an off lead park with about 50 dogs running loose, I didn't even let Kenny out of the car as he was already stressing seeing dogs running up to my car. Bloody idiot & they wouldn't refund the $200 I paid them, because I wouldn't follow what the moron wanted me to do.

Barkbusters aren't dog behaviourists though...

Snap, was about to post the same thing. They aren't even qualified trainers. They are people who buy a franchise and have a couple of weeks training with the company before going out and "helping" clients "fix" their dogs.

[stormie]

Well, if we can only have our dogs off-leash in our own back-yards, than people in the eastern suburbs shouldn't be allowed to have dogs because most of us don't have huge back-yards. I do not think that we should not be able to use any of the parks in the area. I don't think an acceptable solution is to consider all the parks off-limits, even for the adult dogs? I don't want anything to happen to my puppy, but to me that's like saying, oh, better home school the kids, and put them in bubbles because they might get hurt?

That's a bit over the top don't you think? I rarely take my dog to off leash parks and he rarely ventures into the backyard. I do, though, take him for a 2-3km walk/jog every day. If I want to let him have a big run, I take him up to the local school and let him have a play on the oval.

IMO, leash walking for exercise provides for a more stable mind. You can't really go wrong with a good long daily on lead walk - its good for you, its good for the dog and it enforces the pack mentality and leadership.

But you know that Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked - the same rules apply to them as to Danes while they are growing.

slightly OT sorry - I wasn't aware about the "Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked"? I did a quick google search, but couldn't find anything... - our dobe puppy is only leash walked at the moment as he has no recall to speak of yet, can you please give me more info? Why shouldn't they be leash walked? Is it bad physically? Or mentally? Got me a bit worried now!!

I think it means pups are still growing and should not be over exercised, a short walk around the yard of 5mins is enough. At 4mths you can go to obedience training, but still take it easy.

Dobes,GSD's and Rottie pups should not walk on slippery floors for the first 12mths to protect their hips.

Yep leash training is fine but I was responding to a suggestion of long daily walks which is not recommended for pups of large breeds until after 12 months. Free running is recommended until then.

Any large breed pups should not be running on slippery floors.

I wasn't suggesting the OP takes their pup for long daily walks, blab. It was my response to the OP saying that people in the Eastern Suburbs shouldn't be allowed dogs at all if they can't take their dogs off-leash anywhere but their backyards. I was saying that there are other ways to exercise dogs in general rather than just taking them to a park to run around.

I think leash walking is important for pups of all ages and most definitely wouldn't wait till a large breed dog is 12months before starting daily walks. It's just a matter of not over doing it with FORCED exercise.

[blacklabrador]

Well, if we can only have our dogs off-leash in our own back-yards, than people in the eastern suburbs shouldn't be allowed to have dogs because most of us don't have huge back-yards. I do not think that we should not be able to use any of the parks in the area. I don't think an acceptable solution is to consider all the parks off-limits, even for the adult dogs? I don't want anything to happen to my puppy, but to me that's like saying, oh, better home school the kids, and put them in bubbles because they might get hurt?

That's a bit over the top don't you think? I rarely take my dog to off leash parks and he rarely ventures into the backyard. I do, though, take him for a 2-3km walk/jog every day. If I want to let him have a big run, I take him up to the local school and let him have a play on the oval.

IMO, leash walking for exercise provides for a more stable mind. You can't really go wrong with a good long daily on lead walk - its good for you, its good for the dog and it enforces the pack mentality and leadership.

But you know that Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked - the same rules apply to them as to Danes while they are growing.

slightly OT sorry - I wasn't aware about the "Dobe puppies shouldn't be leash walked"? I did a quick google search, but couldn't find anything... - our dobe puppy is only leash walked at the moment as he has no recall to speak of yet, can you please give me more info? Why shouldn't they be leash walked? Is it bad physically? Or mentally? Got me a bit worried now!!

I think it means pups are still growing and should not be over exercised, a short walk around the yard of 5mins is enough. At 4mths you can go to obedience training, but still take it easy.

Dobes,GSD's and Rottie pups should not walk on slippery floors for the first 12mths to protect their hips.

Yep leash training is fine but I was responding to a suggestion of long daily walks which is not recommended for pups of large breeds until after 12 months. Free running is recommended until then.

Any large breed pups should not be running on slippery floors.

I wasn't suggesting the OP takes their pup for long daily walks, blab. It was my response to the OP saying that people in the Eastern Suburbs shouldn't be allowed dogs at all if they can't take their dogs off-leash anywhere but their backyards. I was saying that there are other ways to exercise dogs in general rather than just taking them to a park to run around.

I think leash walking is important for pups of all ages and most definitely wouldn't wait till a large breed dog is 12months before starting daily walks. It's just a matter of not over doing it with FORCED exercise.

I think you need to go back and read your post so you understand why I was making the point. I know it and you know it (which I did acknowledge!!!) but your post didn't mention that it isn't the right exercise for puppies. Considering that you were responding to somebody who has a large breed puppy I just wanted to let HER know that it isn't what you or anybody else was recommending for HER.

HER comment about not being able to take dogs anywhere but their own backyard was in response to Lo Pan's comment. It wasn't necessarily her belief... or so I believe.

Are we there yet?

[mantis]

Barkbusters do, when I employed them to help Kenny after his 3 attacks to get over his fear aggression, the first thing he did was take me & Kenny to an off lead park with about 50 dogs running loose, I didn't even let Kenny out of the car as he was already stressing seeing dogs running up to my car. Bloody idiot & they wouldn't refund the $200 I paid them, because I wouldn't follow what the moron wanted me to do.

Barkbusters aren't dog behaviourists though...

Snap, was about to post the same thing. They aren't even qualified trainers. They are people who buy a franchise and have a couple of weeks training with the company before going out and "helping" clients "fix" their dogs.

Well they should be sued for false advertising then, which is probably what I should have done, because this guy had no idea.

[tarope]

LisaB85,

Just read a story in urban animal magazine about a couple who took their 6mth old Pug pup to an off lead park, where the pug was attacked by another dog. The poor pug lost an eye and the vet bill was $2500. They never saw the other owner again and it's lucky the pug wasn't killed.

Since the off lead park is public, I wonder if people have any come back if their dog is hurt or killed by another dog. I doubt council would do anything, is it not enter at your own risk.

A few years back my adult GSD girl was bitten by a Staffy and another time by a Rottie at All Breeds Training, in both cases the owners were at fault not the dogs. The moron with the Rottie told me his dog was alright with other dogs :D When I came close with my dog on a short lead, this clearly was not the case. ;) this goose just stood there when his dog lunged and I had to pull my girl back but wasn't quick enough all dogs were on leads, what would have happened if this was an off lead park

You were lucky this time your pup wasn't killed, next time your luck might run out and you could be seriously hurt trying to save your pup it's just not worth the risk.