The Ark Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Steve Austin - pet shop dogs don't end up in pounds because they are microchipped - if they were coming back, we'd hear about it! How are the pet shops going to hear about it?? The details are changed over to the new owner - end of the problem for pet shops! They don't need to know anything about that dog ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoyedman Posted March 30, 2010 Author Share Posted March 30, 2010 If anyone missed it I added the video link and transcript in the first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhok Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Steve Austin - pet shop dogs don't end up in pounds because they are microchipped - if they were coming back, we'd hear about it! How are the pet shops going to hear about it?? The details are changed over to the new owner - end of the problem for pet shops! They don't need to know anything about that dog ever again. I was thinking the same thing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loving my Oldies Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Steve Austin - pet shop dogs don't end up in pounds because they are microchipped - if they were coming back, we'd hear about it! How are the pet shops going to hear about it?? The details are changed over to the new owner - end of the problem for pet shops! They don't need to know anything about that dog ever again. I was thinking the same thing.. It is such a specious argument, but it is one that the pets shops raise all the time. I wish interviewers would get all the facts and all the questions and counter arguments ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) Jed - I think you must have missed some of the footage. I wondered about that. What did I miss? I saw the dog with the OCD, but the others with it looked ok. But I still couldn't see much difference between the ones at the raided farm, and Banksia. However, for me, the whole premise is wrong. If the whole premise is wrong, nothing you do after that is right. It's against the laws of nature, imho. And from there, we get to the way the bitches are treated. I don't approve of "modern" piggeries either BTW, and I feel more strongly about dogs. Dogs from pet shops/pf don't end up in the pound because they are bred in pf, they end up in the pound because the people selling them don't have any regard for them when they sell them, and they sell them to unsuitable people, and the dogs are not suitable, and then they end up in the pound. Edited March 30, 2010 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 If anyone missed it I added the video link and transcript in the first post. Thanks SM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kissindra Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) the major differences between the two that I noted were general cleanliness at time of footage being taken(unsurprising given one was a raid and the other a pre-arranged visit - don't tend to leave those dead pups lying around when expecting company I imagine), general living conditions - where banksia provided an area where open airflow and ability to properly clean seemed to be at least partly considered in design (although how this pans out in stoms ect. i don't know), the raided farm was completely enclosed and made of materials harder to properly clean and disinfect- so even with the same cleaning routines your levels of amonia would be more of a concern at the raided property. Banksia had outdoor runs(though who knows how often they get used), they did not mention if the raided property had any exercise areas if I'm remembering correctly. I've only watched it once though - would need to look more closely again to confirm the first impressions and see what further details can be spotted. I would not be looking to footage to determine health status - it wont tell you if that belly is full of food or worms, it wont tell you if those ears are infected, it wont tell you if the teeth are rotting, it wont tell you if the animals have never had a vaccination ect. My Cavalier will wag happily and give the vet staff kisses when they are causing him a decent amount of discomfort by removing bandages post surgery. My foster cav had terribly infected ears but you wouldn't know just from looking to see if her tail ever wagged or not... K9Angel - happy to be corrected but I thought I heard the guy from banksia say they can breed twice in an 18 month period - nice of him not to clarify with "and again in the next 18 month period - on and on till they are of no use anymore". Edited March 30, 2010 by Kissindra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.mister Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) This Mark Hams guy has got some serious delusions. The fact that he considers himself ethical because he 'meets the needs' of his animals is rediculous. The lack of care in many of these places is just part of the whole issue. Whether or not the dogs have adequate food, water and space, mass producing companion animals is full stop wrong. -Hundreds of thousands of animals die in shelters every year. What makes him think we need an extra 1500 per annum to deal with? -What about health testing, huh? Pfft, he makes me sick. -Breeding should be left to those with a passion and love for their breed, who only want the best for it and do anything for its integrity and good health. Seeing nothing but dollar signs is not part of the deal. We simply do not need any more of these designer mongrels in the world. For every one of his pups that is born, yet another in a shelter is sentenced to death. Can someone please tell me what is ethical about that? ETA: When I say designer mongrels, I'm talking about the dogs puppy farmed on a whole, not just targeting 'oodles' and 'pugaliers'. Edited March 30, 2010 by alexhegyesi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Yes, and to make it worse, you get the idiots who buy male and female crossbreed puppies from the petshops and think they'll have a go at making some money. Easy, right? Not so easy if you are a clueless f---wit. The people I'm referring to couldn't cope and recently surrendered their 5 puppies to a rescue in Sydney. Puppies were dear little things but how do you describe them? They were crossed chis crossed with something crossed with a terrier .... words fail me. Puppy farms don't just breed from purebred dogs to make crossbreed designer dogs, they breed from anything to make money. I've got a crossbreed here that I rescued, most likely she's come from a puppy farm due to her behaviours. She's such a crossbreed that for once, I've no idea on even one breed that she is part of. What happens when you crossbreed and puppies come out funny looking and not really saleable???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labsrule Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 There is a thread in general re this topic, so believe these two threads should be merged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labsrule Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Jed - I think you must have missed some of the footage. I wondered about that. What did I miss? I saw the dog with the OCD, but the others with it looked ok. But I still couldn't see much difference between the ones at the raided farm, and Banksia. However, for me, the whole premise is wrong. If the whole premise is wrong, nothing you do after that is right. It's against the laws of nature, imho. And from there, we get to the way the bitches are treated. I don't approve of "modern" piggeries either BTW, and I feel more strongly about dogs. Dogs from pet shops/pf don't end up in the pound because they are bred in pf, they end up in the pound because the people selling them don't have any regard for them when they sell them, and they sell them to unsuitable people, and the dogs are not suitable, and then they end up in the pound. Many pups bred in puppy farms come with many issues and unsuspecting buyers of these pups from petshops find themselves with dogs of questionable temperament and or health and of course dogs who have grown a lot bigger than they anticipated and or have grooming requirements that they did not anticipate. All these issues contribute to dogs being dumped as well as the unsuitable or irresponsible people that they are sold to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystiqview Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 That report was so upsetting. Seen it all before. Nothing has changed. It's getting worse.If that Matt Hamm guy thinks he is "Farming" dogs in an ethical way then he has rocks in his head. How much socialisation do those poor dogs get!!! NONE. The dogs didn't look happy at all and temperaments in the resulting pups would be questionable. I did like the quip by the reporter when she pointed out the dry and barren conditions in which a dog was kept in behind him at one point. And Colin's response of they only need "Shelter, food and water". What a crock of crap. That is the basics needed only to not get fined by RSPCA for cruelty?? How many times have any of us reported a neighbour's dog tied to the clothesline or something else and been told as long as food, shelter and water are supplied, they cannot do anything? Sorry. But that is cruelty on a major scale. The sooner they ban dogs/kittens in pet shops the better. But that will never happen.. As in the program. its a cash flow industry. The council are not going to change, as they get registration fees/kennel licence fees from these places, vets get paid and the pet stores get people in the door by the cute bundle of sorrow in the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystiqview Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 yeah.. I saw one dog there whose rear end was shocking. I think that was one where the RSPCA person said the only thing to do with it was PTS. There were many others who I thought looked sus in their walking and pity the unsuspecting puppy buyers down the track who get those puppies. I remember a pet store at Virginia here in Brisbane a while ago. Had three labs in the bottom glass cage. Two had what looked like HD even then. I would may have put them around 12 weeks. The glass cage was too small for the three puppies. Another pet store at Stafford. Had three border collie puppies in there. Looked like working line style. Again about 12 weeks old. Glass cage way too small for the animals inside. They could barely walk around it was so cramped. There was one family looking at them. I had one of my guys there, and they asked me what I thought of the pups in the window.. I said I would not touch them and gave them a list of reasons not to..also gave them a few numbers to contact registered breeders and said you could pick up a healthier, tested puppy cheaper than what the pet store was selling the mutts for. I was asked to leave by the store owner and told where was my right to prevent an adoption? They asked me where I got my guys from.. I replied loudly "An ETHICAL registered breeder who health tests their breeding stock!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skruffy n Flea Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 i hated watching ... i hated seeing the looks on those beautiful faces while i listened to the gump coming out of the mouths of idiots ... i hated seeing how some of them cowered... steve austin's remarks shocked me ... pet resorts australia was where i anticipated boarding my two; time to research another... *sadness* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colliewood Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) i hated watching ... i hated seeing the looks on those beautiful faces while i listened to the gump coming out of the mouths of idiots ... i hated seeing how some of them cowered...steve austin's remarks shocked me ... pet resorts australia was where i anticipated boarding my two; time to research another... *sadness* Skruffy n Flea, I looked at Pet Resorts for my guys and I would not touch it. The kennels are old and dark, the dogs are kenneled with dogs they don't know over night :p It needs to be bulldozed and started again. By all means take a look and then you know but I was just so disapointed at the place. Try Calabash, it is 5 minutes up the road. Mine are going there next week and lots of my customers send their dogs and cats there. (They have the best cat run, wish I could have it at home) Edited March 30, 2010 by Colliewood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Steve Austin said they ONLY buy puppies from registered purebred breeders or people who are registered as a breeding business. That makes us all feel better. Not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labsrule Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 i hated watching ... i hated seeing the looks on those beautiful faces while i listened to the gump coming out of the mouths of idiots ... i hated seeing how some of them cowered...steve austin's remarks shocked me ... pet resorts australia was where i anticipated boarding my two; time to research another... *sadness* Skruffy n Flea, I looked at Pet Resorts for my guys and I would not touch it. The kennels are old and dark, the dogs are kenneled with dogs they don't know over night :p It needs to be bulldozed and started again. By all means take a look and then you know but I was just so disapointed at the place. Try Calabash, it is 5 minutes up the road. Mine are going there next week and lots of my customers send their dogs and cats there. (They have the best cat run, wish I could have it at home) Not from what I saw and I have used this kennel for a few years with both the previous owners prior to Steve and Vickie taking over and then again a few times with Steve and Vickie as the owners. I always found these kennels to be light, roomy and clean, so am surprised in your assessment of them. I understand your concern about other dogs being in same kennel as your own, but whilst not ideal, this is quite a common practice for boarding kennels during their busy times. I also liked the fact that dogs were given a decent time out of their kennels daily to run around, socialise (if they were socialable) in the outdoor play area. I did however have an issue when two of my boys stayed there and one of them ended up with kennel cough despite regular annual vaccinations and they didn't tell me when I picked him up that they had had an outbreak of kennel cough at the kennels It was only when I rang them after my vet had confrmed my suspicions that my boy had kennel cough and they told me that clients were told of the kennel cough outbreak when they picked up their dogs, which was certainly not the case for me . However, as I mentioned in the other thread in General on this topic, I will no longer be giving my business to Steve Austin after his comments on this programme and his support of puppyfarmers I hope others will also boycott his boarding kennels and training facilities as I am sure there are many of us that were shocked, saddened, dismayed and angry at his support of puppyfarmers on this programme and I am sure he has lost a lot of respect and credibility in the dogworld over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Anne~ Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Does anyone know if the report can be found online? (apologies if this has been asked, and answered, already) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss BeRidgierent Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 Does anyone know if the report can be found online? (apologies if this has been asked, and answered, already) A link is posted in the first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wotagoodog Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 (edited) Try here and then look down page for file Puppy Farm ABC woops sorry too slow should have read the whole post Edited March 30, 2010 by Wotagoodog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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