Jed Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) I would like to find out more about bloat. Read the scientific papers, read the theories, now am looking for some hands on. If your dog has bloated, I would be very grateful if you could answer some questions about it. If I get a few replies,I'll post the results here. And maybe we'll all learn a little What breed? How old was the dog? Was there a familial component? What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) Has he bloated more than once? Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know :D ) Did he ever bloat after that? Did the dog also suffer GDV Did it have surgery? What was done to relieve the bloat? I might think of more questions later, but this about covers what I would like to know. Edited March 27, 2010 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) What breed? - Dobermann How old was the dog? 7 with the first episode Was there a familial component? Not that I am aware of What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was A mixture of dry and meat/rice How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Once daily when The first episode happened twice daily after that. Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? On the ground initially, raised after first episode What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) Crated and had been so since 10.30 the evening before. She woke me at 5am howling, looked normal was very bloated withing 10 minutes Has he bloated more than once? Yes three times. Second time was over indulgence of raw meat and pasta Third time broke into and ate dry Lupins Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know ) Yes she did after the the first occasion - GDV Did he ever bloat after that?[/b] Bloated but not tortioned Did the dog also suffer GDV Yes the first time Did it have surgery? Yes 3 times What was done to relieve the bloat? 1st time - Initially passed a tube to decompress, the opened up and returned stomach and spleen to normal position and gastroplexy 2nd time, not sure was at breeders, but opened up and food removed. 3rd time - opened up and Lupins were removed from the stomach Any more info required just ask. My second Dobe never had it happen. Be it good luck or good management I am not sure :D Edited March 27, 2010 by Rommi n Lewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) I would like to find out more about bloat. Read the scientific papers, read the theories, now am looking for some hands on. If your dog has bloated, I would be very grateful if you could answer some questions about it.If I get a few replies,I'll post the results here. And maybe we'll all learn a little What breed? Irish Wolfhound, stats from the last 15 years How old was the dog? 1. 7years 2. 4.5 years 3. 10 or older (wolfhound X, rescue dog) 4. 6 years Was there a familial component? Not immediate family, apart from number 4 What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was 1. optimum kibble & meat - bloated & torsioned shortly after meal 2. small handful of kibble as treat, had been drinking a fair bit of water 3. large recreational bone 4. chicken frames How often was he fed? Once daily or more? All mine are fed twice daily, but number two had not had breakfast that day. Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? We feed with bowls on the ground What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) Mine are always rested before meals & after. 1. laying in bed sleeping after meal 2. on return from a show (was not being exhibited, in season and was happy in van & crate under the trees with me 3. laying in bed sleeping after chewing bone 4. laying in bed after meal Has he bloated more than once? 1. yes, first time was bloat & gdv with torsion surgery & gastroplexy, 2nd time a year later at eight years, was bloat only but pts due to poor recovery & tumours found on impaired liver 2. yes, first time bloat & gdv with unsuccessful attempts at decanting & tubing. torsion surgery & no gastroplexy, post operative infections and very slow recovery, 2nd time just over a year later, bloated four times over 36 hours & then torsioned - pts as very poor prognosis with suspected heart damage :D 3. No, once only bloat, but ultrasound revealed massive tumours on liver, kidneys and stomach, very old dog, vet recommended pts as thought the bloat was symptomatic of the large tumours in gastro system. 4. no, once only and just bloat, no GDV, surgery or gastroplexy, relieved by passing tube successfully. no reoccurance Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know ) see above Did he ever bloat after that? I might think of more questions later, but this about covers what I would like to know. I think you also need to include weather the dog also suffered GDV and if it had surgery or bloated and what was done to relieve the bloat. fifi Edited March 27, 2010 by fifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) Thanks, Rommi n Lewis, thanks fifi. I'll add those questions. They aren't relevant to what I want to know, but hopefully, if I get enough replies I can do a chart which might help us a bit. :D Fifi, I have done a bit of research. I was reading something the other day regarding bloat, and it got the cogs grinding away ..... I don't suppose we will discover anything world shattering, but most of the studies I've read have had gneralised comments. I do realise that every case is different. the Wycliffe poodles were cured of bloat by having their vaccinations split up (Jean Dodds). I wonder if the rabies vaccine, in combination with the others, does something to the system? That's not the purpose here though. I just want to know what caused the bloat, or something similar each dog did. Edited March 27, 2010 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winpara Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 What breed?Pembroke Welsh Corgi How old was the dog? 12.5yrs Was there a familial component? No, and our very experienced breeder vet had never seen it in a PWC before. However some heavy Googling did bring up information of other PWC's (in USA) bloating in their senior years but certainly still a very rare occurrence. What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was 1 cup Hills JD dry - same food/amount as she had had for the previous 2 years How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Once daily at the same time as usual Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? on the ground (it is a Corgi after all!) What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) At home laying around whilst we were on computer/watching TV/asleep. No exercise after tea save for the usual toilet breaks. Has he bloated more than once? No - she did not survive the first episode :D Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know ) as above Did he ever bloat after that? as above I think it is also important to note that our girl was somewhat "quiet" that evening but nothing you could put your finger on and certainly none of the "usual" bloat symptoms. Was fed around 6pm, we went to bed about midnight and when we got up at 7am she was tucked in the back of her kennel and wouldn't come out. Coaxed her out and she looked like she had swallowed a football! Straight to the vet where they operated (she had also torsioned), she survived the surgery that morning but succumbed to shock in the evening of the next day She was otherwise in excellent health and did not look her age at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 How terribly sad for the dogs lost to this and their owners. I feel for you. Winpara, friend lost a dog in almost exactly the same way. Iread somewhere of a dacshund lost to bloat. I'm sorry it's such a sad thing, and makes you think about something you'd rather forget., but am so grateful for the replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisovar Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) What breed? Boxer How old was the dog? 8yo Was there a familial component? No What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was Eukanuba Premium, Raw meat, Raw bones How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Twice Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? Elevated What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) Kenneled for the night, no exercise prior to or after feeding it was a summer and quite warm so may have drunk more than normal that day Has he bloated more than once? No Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know smile.gif ) Yes performed at time of surgery for this incident Did he ever bloat after that? NO Did the dog also suffer GDV YES Did it have surgery? YES What was done to relieve the bloat? Tubed then surgery Edited March 27, 2010 by Crisovar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) I listened to a podcast the other day (USA) that did a really good summary of reserarch to date - highlighted that the best indicator of potential to bloat was having a first degree relative. from memory you need to navigate to the podcast about GDV Will find the link if I still have it.http://www.akc-akcchf.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=504174 Edited March 27, 2010 by frufru Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redangel Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 I would like to find out more about bloat. Read the scientific papers, read the theories, now am looking for some hands on. If your dog has bloated, I would be very grateful if you could answer some questions about it.If I get a few replies,I'll post the results here. And maybe we'll all learn a little What breed? Dobermann How old was the dog? 10 yrs Was there a familial component? Not known-rescue What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was A mix of mince & rice/pasta & lamb shank How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Once a day Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? Slightly elevated...on first step of porch What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) At home in yard Has he bloated more than once? no Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know :D ) Dog had absorption problems was on medication for this Did he ever bloat after that? Did not survive first episode Did the dog also suffer GDV No Did it have surgery? No What was done to relieve the bloat? Tried to pass tube I might think of more questions later, but this about covers what I would like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 What breed? Dane X deerhound How old was the dog? 7 Was there a familial component? don't know What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was Soaked Bonnie , RMB How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Twice Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? slightly off the ground- only a few inches What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) It was before he was fed- he grabbed about a dozen meatybites off the ground from where they spilled ( we only had them as an emergency measure that once - he was never fed them) Has he bloated more than once? no - didn't survive the first Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know ) no Did he ever bloat after that? no Did the dog also suffer GDV yes Did it have surgery? No - he was PTS What was done to relieve the bloat? I phoned a vet,and I gave him degas capsules when I realised, but he had already torsioned. Due to long distance from a vet,and on vet advice I had to euthanise him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimzy Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 What breed? Chesapeake Bay Rt How old was the dog? 6 Was there a familial component? Unknown she was from Chessy Rescue What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was Nutros dry with rice and meat but she was a garbage gut and would steal anything How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Twice a day Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? On the ground at first. Elevated after incident. What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) At home in the middle of the night. Has he bloated more than once? Yes but only twisted once. Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know ) Yes Did he ever bloat after that? Yes but not twisted Did the dog also suffer GDV Yes Did it have surgery? Yes What was done to relieve the bloat? Tube then surgery and im pretty sure they sewed the stomach as to not twist again. She recovered and lived to 15. I might think of more questions later, but this about covers what I would like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted March 27, 2010 Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) Bloat Study on Giant Breeds here: http://www.dmantugs.com.au/Attachment1_Bloat_Study.pdf My dog has not bloated although those in his direct family have - no known contributing factors. Edited March 27, 2010 by sas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted March 27, 2010 Author Share Posted March 27, 2010 (edited) I listened to a podcast the other day (USA) that did a really good summary of reserarch to date - highlighted that the best indicator of potential to bloat was having a first degree relative.from memory you need to navigate to the podcast about GDV Will find the link if I still have it.http://www.akc-akcchf.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=504174 Yep, 60% in one report I read. Others give different figures. Thanks for the replies everyone. Keep them coming. I'll tell you why later. Thanks SAS, I had read that report. Edited March 27, 2010 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What breed? Bull Terrier (Miniature) How old was the dog? 4 Was there a familial component? No What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was BARF diet How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Once per day Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? On ground What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) Eating Has he bloated more than once? No Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know ) Yes Did he ever bloat after that? No Did the dog also suffer GDV Yes Did it have surgery? Yes What was done to relieve the bloat? Surgery to untwist the stomach and fix it in place. Another operation later that week to remove the piece of brisket bone from his esophagus that caused the bloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monah Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 Very interesting, so sorry for all these dogs. My worst nightmare along with snakebite I'm amazed at the corgi and mini bully, although I know all animals can suffer bloat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirty Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 What breed? Great Dane How old was the dog? 2.5 years Was there a familial component? Yes, her father died of bloat. What was the dog being fed? Need some detail of what exactly - if dry food, which one, if raw, what it was She had chicken carcasses and Bonnie dryfood How often was he fed? Once daily or more? Twice daily Was his bowl elevated, or on the ground? On the ground What was he doing when he bloated? (ie, at a show, at home, playing, at home alone) Home alone Has he bloated more than once? She died from this episode, this was her first bloat. Has he had a gastrowhatsit? LOL (too lazy to look it up, but you'll know ) No Did he ever bloat after that? See above Did the dog also suffer GDV Yes, her stomach twisted, which is why she died. Did it have surgery? See above What was done to relieve the bloat? We found her dead and bloated. The vet suspects she drank too much water too quickly because it was a hot day, and she hadn't had any recent meals. My other dog, a Lab x, bloats frequently. He gulps his food down very quickly and often gets a very distended stomach. He has never torsed though. It just seems to be one of his quirks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 This is a really interesting thread. I've seen a few at work, but couldnt give a lot of details about their history unfortunately. I've seen a bloated OES, BC x, Min Poodle and a few mini Dachshunds. Must say too, after reading the results so far, I'm glad I had a prophylactic pexy done when Porp was desexed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirty Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I think I might get my new Dane's stomach stitched when she is desexed too. Does it prevent torsion completely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormie Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I think I might get my new Dane's stomach stitched when she is desexed too. Does it prevent torsion completely? I don't believe its 100% but I think it greatly reduces the chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipsqueak Posted March 28, 2010 Share Posted March 28, 2010 I think like a lot of other people with large, deep chested breeds that this is one of my worst fears. Many thanks to those people who have shared information, even though they have lost their dogs. I cannot help to think that by sharing you must be reliving the pain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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