Open Letter To Troy

[lappiemum]

Oh Lord - they are soooo true!! (and I think I fill several categories!!LOL)

[Kirislin]

Yep, all kinds on a forum like this, see anyone you recognise here?

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/

[poodlefan]

Just a general comment (and not in response to OP) but I wonder if those quick to accuse others of being nasty ever wonder how many experienced and knowledgeable people won't respond in threads because they don't support that OP's position and don't want to be accused of "bullying".

I do wish that people would hold newer posters to the same high standards they expect of the older members. I've lost count of the number of newbs (some looking to offload a dog) who've started a post looking for advice, not liked what they've got, have responded with personal insults and been encouraged to view themselves as "bullied". I can think of a really good example that I might go look for to illustrate the point.

Very true, Poodlefan, although you must admit that there ARE memebrs of this forum who seem to delight particularly in flaming, insulting & bullying people. I am one who was massively flamed in a thread I started about re-homing a dog. Eventually I asked for it to be removed, not because I was "sooking" but because it was getting completely pointless.

Of course there are. This forum is a microcosm of society.. the good, the bad, the mad and the stupid - we're all here. That's why there's a set of rules that we are required to adhere to. What unites us is our interest in dogs. Beyond that we're all going to be different.

Edited March 26, 2010 by poodlefan

[Quickasyoucan]

Just a general comment (and not in response to OP) but I wonder if those quick to accuse others of being nasty ever wonder how many experienced and knowledgeable people won't respond in threads because they don't support that OP's position and don't want to be accused of "bullying".

I do wish that people would hold newer posters to the same high standards they expect of the older members. I've lost count of the number of newbs (some looking to offload a dog) who've started a post looking for advice, not liked what they've got, have responded with personal insults and been encouraged to view themselves as "bullied". I can think of a really good example that I might go look for to illustrate the point.

Very true, Poodlefan, although you must admit that there ARE memebrs of this forum who seem to delight particularly in flaming, insulting & bullying people. I am one who was massively flamed in a thread I started about re-homing a dog. Eventually I asked for it to be removed, not because I was "sooking" but because it was getting completely pointless.

But did you not expect people to have strong opinions on a dog forum when you talked about rehoming a dog. Regardless of the reason, and I don't know your reason, in amongst dog lovers someone is going to have strong views about that, some are going to agree and some are going to sit on the fence.

I am curious as to what you expected when you posted what you must have known would be a controversial topic. I havent' been around here that long, but it is not hard to see what across the board people are going to find controversial, ie rehoming, crossbreeding, health issues etc.

That is the nature of a forum.

[HugUrPup]

Message Board Personalities:

The Peacenik – Loudly proclaims “Can’t we all just get along?” Waits until the thread is almost dead, and then arrives to try and create Peace, Love, and Happiness amongst the board members. The thread then erupts again into a volcano of emotion. Being largely ignored in the midst of the thread, this enables the Peacenik to proclaim “I tried to stop it, but they would not listen!” The Peacenik then retreats to meditate on the need for Peace, Love and Happiness.

Sybil the Seagull - Sybil has many, many personalities, and the screen ID's to match. Hiding and lurking, Sybil will finally find the perfect target, swoop in, and deposit crap on every thing in the message board. Mission accomplished, Sybil flies away cackling with glee, assuming a new personality/ID, and waits until the next opportunity to deposit more guano. Sybil always delights in leaving a stench behind, with the rest of the message board hollering 'Something Stinks in Here!"

:p I love those 2 the best

Edited March 26, 2010 by puggerup

[SeeGee]

Yep, all kinds on a forum like this, see anyone you recognise here?

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/

Thats an awesome site Kirislin! Nice find!

[macka]

Kirislin that site is very funny.

Kind of reminds me of this cartoon: http://blogs.technet.com/photos/gray_knowl...9/original.aspx

You can't stop people from being mean, ignorant, aggressive, personal, idiotic, etc. All you can do is pick your battles. And if someone really oversteps the line, hit the report button and hope for the best.

[Erny]

Brooke - I appreciate your situation and understood your needs, but I also understood where others' concerns lay and their reasons for expressing them. I didn't read every thread and I would not condone personal attacks either.

This is a great forum and Poodlefan has explained how you can bring about action though reporting the offending post to the moderators. But I agree that people need to be a little bit more than thin skinned (not suggesting you were or weren't - I didn't really follow the thread all through) and think before they report.

LOL ..... you should go visit a UK thread I've been a participant/member of !!! You think DOL is a bit too strong/harsh ??? I have been called numerous names and even told that I have asperger syndrome (no offence to all the people with aspergers out there) simply because I recognise the good use of an e-collar. In fact, I can simply write "e-collar" in a post and it has a select but commonly standard group swarming, ready to lynch me and hang me to the nearest tree. They remind me of angry European Wasps, actually.

DOL is not a patch on that forum when it comes to nastiness, and the owner of the site doesn't like to use his moderating skills too easily or often.

Edited March 26, 2010 by Erny

[HugUrPup]

Of course there are. This forum is a microcosm of society.. the good, the bad, the mad and the stupid - we're all here. That's why there's a set of rules that we are required to adhere to. What unites us is our interest in dogs. Beyond that we're all going to be different. :p

exactly I was scared off once, then banned for being a troll once and then reinstated for proving I wasn't a troll

I am guessing a couple of longer term members are suspicious of new comers and can go in as sleuths looking to find evidence of "something" so they can fire their guns.

It seems if they can't find anything, they make something up

To the OP- You have to build up the trust just like anywhere.

There are many many helpful, compassionate members of DOL also, so even when you are feeling a bit attacked and bullied, press that report button and remember that just because a few are giving you a hard time, it doesn't mean the entire forum is against you.

I have reported one post since being here and it was removed immediately.

I hope you are feeling better soon. It's not nice have your motives and integrity tested or insulted.

[BJean]

Yep, all kinds on a forum like this, see anyone you recognise here?

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/

Thats an awesome site Kirislin! Nice find!

lol very funny - faves are toxic granny and furious typist and duelists

Furious Typer’s combat strategy is to drown her adversary in a tsunami of angry verbiage. She is absolutely immune to subtlty and ignores all but the barest essentials of any argument. After breifly appraising the gist of her opponent’s counter attack she puts her head down and rapidly fires off long rambling messages replete with grammitical and factual errors. The typical Furious Typer lacks endurance, however, and if the other combatants can weather the initial assault she will quickly exhaust herself and retire from the field.

Warriors often underestimate Toxic Granny's fighting abilities. She can be very aggressive, and because of the deference paid to the elderly, not only does Toxic Granny easily attract allies to aid in her defense, but her foes are reluctant to employ their strongest weapons against her. Prudent Warriors avoid confrontations with Toxic Granny because there is ignominy in defeat and no glory in victory.

In a perpetual personal feud, Duelists generally don't menace anyone but each other, unless, of course, another Warrior foolishly gets between them. They may not even remember what started the fight, but that they cordially loathe one another and seize every to go at each other. When the other Warriors eventually weary of their endless kvetching the Duelists will be shouted down or Nanny will ban them. Even after getting the heave-ho from one forum, however, it is not unusual for them to seeking each other in other forums to renew their fight.

Edited March 26, 2010 by lilli

[Are You Serious Jo]

People have to be fair, there are a lot of people that have taken advantage of others on DOL. We are all about the dogs here and if someone turns up and misrepresents themselves then people deserve to know so they don't unknowingly allow them to access dogs. We've had people who use all sorts of excuses to scam people, suffering from cancer being one of them. DOLers have big hearts so they want to believe in people and help where they can and some take advantage. Plenty of times others have been prevented from being scammed out of money or dogs because some DOLers followed their instinct and did some background checks.

People are rarely wrong when they expose someone.

[Loving my Oldies]

DOL is not a patch on that forum when it comes to nastiness, and the owner of the site doesn't like to use his moderating skills too easily or often.

OMG!! How I can relate to that . I think it was an overseas newspaper item that you could link onto a forum or at least comments. I've never seen anything like it. I soon stopped reading the comments, because it was so distressing to see such anger, such vitriol, so many words with only the first and last letter and interspersed with ***********. It was frightening.

I occasionally look at another forum only because it is another dog forum , but frankly, I don't know have people have the time to go into several forums, facebook, MSN (whatever that is), etc etc. There are only 24 hours in a day :p

[poodlemum]

Just a general comment (and not in response to OP) but I wonder if those quick to accuse others of being nasty ever wonder how many experienced and knowledgeable people won't respond in threads because they don't support that OP's position and don't want to be accused of "bullying".

I do wish that people would hold newer posters to the same high standards they expect of the older members. I've lost count of the number of newbs (some looking to offload a dog) who've started a post looking for advice, not liked what they've got, have responded with personal insults and been encouraged to view themselves as "bullied". I can think of a really good example that I might go look for to illustrate the point.

Very true, Poodlefan, although you must admit that there ARE memebrs of this forum who seem to delight particularly in flaming, insulting & bullying people. I am one who was massively flamed in a thread I started about re-homing a dog. Eventually I asked for it to be removed, not because I was "sooking" but because it was getting completely pointless.

But did you not expect people to have strong opinions on a dog forum when you talked about rehoming a dog. Regardless of the reason, and I don't know your reason, in amongst dog lovers someone is going to have strong views about that, some are going to agree and some are going to sit on the fence.

I am curious as to what you expected when you posted what you must have known would be a controversial topic. I havent' been around here that long, but it is not hard to see what across the board people are going to find controversial, ie rehoming, crossbreeding, health issues etc.

That is the nature of a forum.

I completely respect peoples rights to have differing opinions, and was aware that there would be some controversy, but I fail to see the neccessity for people to make cruel personal comments! Those poeple obviously don't respect the rights of others to have differing opinions!

[WreckitWhippet]

When people post about something publicly on a forum this large, you need to expect that not all people will agree with you or approve of what you are doing. I don't want to sanitise the forum to the point that people are afraid to dis-agree with anyone or else they be banned. That does not foster open discussion.

Yeahhh for a lack on sanity

[J.H.M]

oh come on admit it we all love the shot of adrenaline when you open up a thread and you see that someone has called you out for saying something they disagree with and the joy in hitting the add reply when you have finished

[Golden Rules]

Brooke,

I read your thread and dont agree that is was a clique-y, mob-mentality bunfight. Sure some people didn't agree with what you were doing, but maybe they had a point.

Next time you want everyone to agree with you and your ethos, dontt post on a public forum. Otherwise expect some public debate.

If others PMd you becasue they found it all too much, tell them to press the report button and ask for assisstance.

L:)

I'm sorry Brooke, but here, here!

And another.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. Enough was said to arouse my suspicions

There's another thread on DOL (still alive) where a poster copped some name calling the other day, I expected the shit to hit the fan but instead it went right over the recipient's head and I take my hat off to her for that. She handled herself beautifully. But I suspect she has a real life and doesn't live on DOL like some people do.

[poodlefan]

And another.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. Enough was said to arouse my suspicions :p

There's another thread on DOL (still alive) where a poster copped some name calling the other day, I expected the shit to hit the fan but instead it went right over the recipient's head and I take my hat off to her for that. She handled herself beautifully. But I suspect she has a real life and doesn't live on DOL like some people do.

A condemnation of poor behaviour towards one member and a thinly veiled to others in the one post.

Not one to practice what you preach eh Golden? Viva the double standard!

[spottychick]

I had a read too - and followed a couple of links etc to see what everyone was on about.

Sorry, but I don't really see a problem in there. People will have their own perspectives and points of view and I have no issue with healthy debate and opposition - as long as no-one's hurling abuse I don't see the need to "moderate". But I wouldn't presume to tell the powers that be how to run this forum in any case - whether or not I agree with them. I reckon I either live with the way they do things here and make adjustments if necessary or go somewhere else.

I've occassionally seen examples of people getting stuck into a poster unfairly and without reason but I don't see that in the thread referred to here.

[Golden Rules]

And another.

Where there's smoke, there's fire. Enough was said to arouse my suspicions

There's another thread on DOL (still alive) where a poster copped some name calling the other day, I expected the shit to hit the fan but instead it went right over the recipient's head and I take my hat off to her for that. She handled herself beautifully. But I suspect she has a real life and doesn't live on DOL like some people do.

A condemnation of poor behaviour towards one member and a thinly veiled to others in the one post.

Not one to practice what you preach eh Golden? Viva the double standard!

Ah, so you know the thread I am talking about!

That's not a personal attack is it?! :p

Edited March 26, 2010 by Golden Rules

[NZVizsla]

There are plenty of other dog forums around, so rather then complaining about this very popular one, why don't you go elsewhere? ('you' said loosely )

I was a member of a big independant dog forum a few years back, similar to this one actually, but a big corporation bought the domain and it all went crap from there.

They brought in dozens of moderators ( some didn't even own or like dogs), and no one could disagree or get into any form of debate without being banned.

Where is the fun and education in that??

Just treat everyone with respect, whether you agree or disagree on whatever has been said.