Partipaws Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Hello everyone. Firstly I would like to mention that I am not very familiar with the laws pertaining to this breed - so I do appoligise in advance! I do however realise that it is a restricted breed! The story starts like this - I met this couple a few months back and we have been getting a long quite well. I recently find out they own a Pit Bull and are now splitting up and moving their separate ways - Both look to be moving into units or town houses so no chance of keeping their dog as even renting a house in Sydney Metro area is hard enough with the restrictions of any pets! They are both well aware that this breed of dog is a restricted breed and they fear that she will end up in a rescue whereby they will evaluate her and come to realise she is a purebred Pit Bull and wont rehome her and have her PTS. Is there much that can be done? Does anyone know any rescues that may help - I am sorry I am quite naive about the whole situation as like I said I really don't know much about the do's and don'ts with a restricted breed. It seems such a shame as I have met their pit bull girl in person and she is a sweet natured girl - She would not hurt a fly and seems well socialised and trained! Her name is Sugar, she is a year and a half old, all white with a patch on her eye and is unpapered - was bought from a pet store of all places - So who knows if she is a true purebred?? I would have thought the pet store would know better to be selling this breed as I believe the Pit bull was made a restricted breed a couple of years back - could be wrong though? Anyway I hope I do not cause a stir with this - Again I am really in the dark about it all and the couple have come to me to ask for help and I have no idea what can be done - so I have come here to ask questions and learn - so please don't flame me Would appreciate any help, information or advise which I can then pass on to my friends! P.S: I wont be able to reply straight away as my internet is down at home so I am using my Mother-in-laws computer when I get the chance. Thank you in advance! Jess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Her Majesty Dogmad Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Well it is illegal to sell/rehome pitbulls in NSW. The pounds have to euthanase them. It is also illegal in Qld. I'd love to know which petstore sold the dog because that's illegal of course, mind you, the f---wits that operate them often don't even know what they are selling or maybe they do and they are untruthful because it's all about getting in as many dollars as they can, however it is done. I recently came across a purebred "chihuahua" puppy, purchased in a petshop in Hornsby for $900. It was a giant chihuahua puppy - actually a kelpie type breed ... Owners were clueless but they didn't want the puppy after 2 wks and of course discovered that petshops don't take them back or give refunds. Wherever this dog goes, I hope to God they've had her desexed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Are they sure the dog is actually a pit bull? Pet shops have sold many a dog as one breed that have turned out to be another. Do you have a picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partipaws Posted March 24, 2010 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 I suspected that be the case - I knew that you weren't allowed to breed them anymore and therefor you would be condemed to sell them as well. Now that you have given me the heads up about selling, rehoming etc - I too would like to know the pet store!!! I will be getting a couple of pictures of her soon so will add them as soon as possible for everyone to comment? To me she looks fairly like a pit bull - but then I have to say I have never seen many and I like my fluffy breeds so could not be a very good judge on purebred or not??? Thank you so far for your help - It was as I suspected but need to ask those who really knew about this! I guess not much can be done unless they find some friends or someone willing to take her on? dogmad - I live near Hornsy and usually shop there - I have seen many doozies in that pet store!!! I have seen them try to convince an asian couple that the Malamute puppy will not grow much bigger and will be well suited to a unite - DEH!!! I truly wish something starts happening so that these stupid store can no longer sell dogs, cats and any other animals!!!! I am off home now - so will try and have some pics in the next couple of days and will try and reply as soon as I can Thank you both for your information and advise - much appreciated. Jess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 Has Sugar been microchipped as a PitBull? If not, then maybe you could get an assessment as to breed and have her chipped as what she actually is... possibly an AmStaff?? Without photos it's hard to give any real advice as to whether she can be rehomed legally in/from NSW. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 If she has not had a breed assessment done, i would contact someone and get that done, if she is deemed a Pitty, there is nothing they can do, they can not rehome/give her away. If she is a Pitty X you can then get a Temp Test done, if she passes, she is free to live as a normal dog and can be rehomed, if she fails, she must live as a restricted breed - no rehomeing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted March 24, 2010 Share Posted March 24, 2010 You cannot have a "valid" breed assessment done by an approved breed assessor, unless the dog is already subject to an NOI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Partipaws Posted March 25, 2010 Author Share Posted March 25, 2010 Thank you very much for all your imput! I will ask all these questions to my friends tonight as we will be meeting up with them for dinner - I am also organising some photos which I will post here for your consideration into whether purebred or not. I will try and find out the pet store they bought her from, as I think it would be quite interesting if you know what I mean and would also see what else I can find about microchip etc. I am not sure whether she is desexed or not, but will ask - I am a firm believer of desexing policy so if she is entire I would be asking them to consider this as well!! tisk tisk if so!!! One can only image what people would snap up an entire purebred pit bull female??? even if it is ilegal!!! There are still many enthusiasts out there who wont give up breeding them. Will be in touch soon - Thank you again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 If they cannot keep her, get him to take her to their vet and have her pts whilst they are with her. There is no future for her. Rescues will pts, so will pounds. Why shift her from pillar to post and stress her out for weeks, when the outcome will be the same Have them do the decent thing, the last good thing they can do for their dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss BeRidgierent Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 (edited) I would love to see a pic. Did the pet shop advertise her a Purebred Pitbull? she may well be a X What is her temperament like? How is she around other dogs? Small children? And people? ETA: Sorry if these have been asked before. Edited March 25, 2010 by Miss BeRidgierent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cramet Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 there use to be a guy in mortlake in vic that did pit rescue but dont know his name or if he is still there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 If they cannot keep her, get him to take her to their vet and have her pts whilst they are with her. There is no future for her. Rescues will pts, so will pounds. Why shift her from pillar to post and stress her out for weeks, when the outcome will be the sameHave them do the decent thing, the last good thing they can do for their dog. Agree Jed, even though it tears my heart out & I am shedding tears for another innocent victim of these draconian laws. :D RIP little girl, you'll meet up with friends across the "Bridge". ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legz Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Sad situation to be in for your friends and sugar. The one thing i keep thinking is how do they know she is actually a pitbull? She came from a pet shop, they label whatever suits them so for all the owners know she could be an Am Staff, an English Staffy, X bulldog .... you get my drift she could be any number of things under the sun. Unless they have had her micro-chipped as a pitbull Then i would be saying staffy X, as she more than likely is. Poor sugar not a nice situation to be in. Hope things work out, if shes not chipped already i would chip staffy X before they try to find a loving home. If she is chipped pitbull there is not much to be done for the poor girl ;) Good luck, not a nice situation to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Sad situation to be in for your friends and sugar.The one thing i keep thinking is how do they know she is actually a pitbull? She came from a pet shop, they label whatever suits them so for all the owners know she could be an Am Staff, an English Staffy, X bulldog .... you get my drift she could be any number of things under the sun. Unless they have had her micro-chipped as a pitbull Then i would be saying staffy X, as she more than likely is. Poor sugar not a nice situation to be in. Hope things work out, if shes not chipped already i would chip staffy X before they try to find a loving home. If she is chipped pitbull there is not much to be done for the poor girl ;) Good luck, not a nice situation to be in. That's all well and good, unless a Ranger spots her and decides that she is a APBT or a cross. Then the person that takes her on, has to go through the whole process of proving that she's not, at their expense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mantis Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Sad situation to be in for your friends and sugar.The one thing i keep thinking is how do they know she is actually a pitbull? She came from a pet shop, they label whatever suits them so for all the owners know she could be an Am Staff, an English Staffy, X bulldog .... you get my drift she could be any number of things under the sun. Unless they have had her micro-chipped as a pitbull Then i would be saying staffy X, as she more than likely is. Poor sugar not a nice situation to be in. Hope things work out, if shes not chipped already i would chip staffy X before they try to find a loving home. If she is chipped pitbull there is not much to be done for the poor girl Good luck, not a nice situation to be in. That's all well and good, unless a Ranger spots her and decides that she is a APBT or a cross. Then the person that takes her on, has to go through the whole process of proving that she's not, at their expense Or a neighbour dobs them in to the council, saying they think they have an APBT living next door, which is what the authorities want. Unless they have a good relationship with the ranger, who knows their dog has a safe temperament, the poor dog is doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss BeRidgierent Posted March 25, 2010 Share Posted March 25, 2010 Well I would still like to see a picture of the lady before I start saying Put her to Sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legz Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 I agree miss B, i wouldnt/couldnt tell someone to put their dog to sleep because the pet shop told them she was a pitbull. My post before was simply saying they may not actually have a pitbull because we all know pet shops arent exactly reputable places when it comes to making up what they want in order to get pups out the door. She could be anything under the sun, a multitude of crosses. I'm by no means telling them to pass the buck, just to make sure she is in fact a pitbull before they do something as drastic as PTS. If she IS chipped as a pitbull and there is no question/doubt that she is then of course that leaves little that can be done for the poor girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin19801 Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Just call the dog a Lab cross. The new owners will need to know the situation but killing the dog because of her looks is animal cruelty. Needless to say the same types who would hand over Anne Frank coz "it's the law" will beg to differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 Well it is illegal to sell/rehome pitbulls in NSW. The pounds have to euthanase them. It is also illegal in Qld.I'd love to know which petstore sold the dog because that's illegal of course, mind you, the f---wits that operate them often don't even know what they are selling or maybe they do and they are untruthful because it's all about getting in as many dollars as they can, however it is done. I recently came across a purebred "chihuahua" puppy, purchased in a petshop in Hornsby for $900. It was a giant chihuahua puppy - actually a kelpie type breed ... Owners were clueless but they didn't want the puppy after 2 wks and of course discovered that petshops don't take them back or give refunds. Wherever this dog goes, I hope to God they've had her desexed. They were selling Kelpie pups in a Hornsby petshop recently . . . wonder if they couldn't sell them as Kelpies and relabelled them as chis - cute red/tan pups - poor little things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) Just call the dog a Lab cross. The new owners will need to know the situation but killing the dog because of her looks is animal cruelty. Needless to say the same types who would hand over Anne Frank coz "it's the law" will beg to differ. That's just so wrong. It's also illegal. It's wrong to call the dog something it isn't. Wrong to the other breed/cross, and wrong to anyone who may take the dog on, be faced with the laws, NOI, tt, ba, etc when they thought they were getting a lab x. Just wrong, and lacking in sense, for a whole lot of reasons. And yes, I do differ, because I can see the looming problems someone else will face. No, it's not nice to see good dogs pts, but there is nothing we can do about it, that's the law, and passing the dog on - if it is a pitbull -only widens the problem. I've saved dogs, but not by doing anything illegal. Causes more problems than it solves. And, for the dog, it's wrong too. Somewhere along the line, someone is going to point the finger, and the dog is in trouble. Sending to rescue wont work, no rescue will rehome. It's illegal. You'll never beat these laws by doing anything illegal. And I'd have to wonder about a pet shop advertising and selling a pitbull in NSW. I suppose it could happen in one of the smaller shops, but I wonder if the owners dreamed the breed? Edited March 26, 2010 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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