Womans Arm Severed By Dog

[Longcoat]

'poodlefan' date='23rd Mar 2010 - 09:30 PM' post='4412831']

Regardless of breed, dogs that maim and kill are made, not born. All the studies show that.

The are plenty of dogs of various breeds that have the genetic instincts to maim and kill, the studies are wrong, nonesense infact. The difference is in the raising and training dogs of this nature that makes them safe.

Did I just read that right ? There are breeds out there that are geneticallyt predisposed to maim and kill , is that right ?

The studies that Poodlefan mentions are not nonsense, they highlight some very important factors that are often present, when it comes to how many dogs that are involved in attacks are raised and treated. Statistically, they are also more likely to be male, young and entire.

It's complete nonesense SBT123 totally. Dogs know how to attack and bite and are born with that skill. If it surfaces or not largely depends on how the dog is raised and trained.

Unfortunatlely it is not complete nonsense. Certain breeds need to have the biting instinct bred out of them. Some dogs bite, but to rip an arm off its owner or even a neighbour, that is bazaar behaviour and has to be involved with training or upbringing.

edit for spelling mistake

Are we saying that the dog in this incident was attack trained???. I bet it's never had a day of formal training in it's life and acted out of pure instinct.

[mantis]

What I find particularly tragic about such attacks is that in addition to the harm caused to the victims, time and again the labelling of an attacking dog as a particular breed stops all questions about the dogs background and life being asked.

Regardless of breed, dogs that maim and kill are made, not born. All the studies show that.

Many such dogs are young, male, entire, poorly socialised and trained and acquired and kept in a manner that is as far from being a "family pet' as you can get.

Now the breed card has been played, no facts will be provided about how, where and when this dog was acquired and how it lived. I'd be prepared to bet spades this dog has a history of aggression but the owner is unlikely to be candid about it even if asked.

So the opportunity for others to learn from this tragedy is denied. Again.

I disagree TOTALLY. These dogs have the instinct. They definately need level headed people who can train and handle these dog to curb that fighting instinct.

APBT's and the like are not for your average Joe dog owner. I don't need any studies to work that one out.

Anyway, I hope they can save that ladies arm. Poor woman

Because you are uneducated & brainwashed by the media. Yes for a while Pitbulls were trained to fight dogs, but they also were trained to be human friendly, any dog who showed human aggression was culled.

People forget that in the 40's & 50's, APBT were revered by everyone, used in American war propoganda, The TV show Little Rascals, the dog was an APBT, there are many hollywood stars that actually own them now Brad Pitt is just one. They are wonderful dogs if looked after properly, or a nightmare like any dog who isn't. Go to Cesar Millans site & ask his opinion on this wonderful breed.

It would be nice to actually have proof that the dog was actually a Pitty, or called that for the media hype.

[Kirty]

I read longcoats post to read that there are lots of DOGS of DIFFERENT breeds (ie any breed) that are more prey driven than others, that have more aggression hard-wired into them than other DOGS. Not comparing breeds, but comparing individual dogs.

I do not believe that all aggressive dogs are created. I believe just like some people are born evil, perhaps so are some DOGS. Not breeds, DOGS.

[whippets]

No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.

For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

[mantis]

No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

Because you are ignorant & illiterate, being dog aggressive doen't make a dog people aggressive, I am sick of wasting my time on people who are brainwashed by the media

[Longcoat]

I read longcoats post to read that there are lots of DOGS of DIFFERENT breeds (ie any breed) that are more prey driven than others, that have more aggression hard-wired into them than other DOGS. Not comparing breeds, but comparing individual dogs.

I do not believe that all aggressive dogs are created. I believe just like some people are born evil, perhaps so are some DOGS. Not breeds, DOGS.

Correct

[Longcoat]

No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

Because you are ignorant & illiterate, being dog aggressive doen't make a dog people aggressive, I am sick of wasting my time on people who are brainwashed by the media

Funny thing is Mantis, I know two APBT breeders well and have spent time with their dogs who are all extremely placid and freindly pets. I have also played with them with my dogs and are as fine as any pet could be. However, they have also told me the same story that Whippets has just told us...........perhaps they are also not educated enough yet with the breed???.

[mantis]

No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

Because you are ignorant & illiterate, being dog aggressive doen't make a dog people aggressive, I am sick of wasting my time on people who are brainwashed by the media

Funny thing is Mantis, I know two APBT breeders well and have spent time with their dogs who are all extremely placid and freindly pets. I have also played with them with my dogs and are as fine as any pet could be. However, they have also told me the same story that Whippets has just told us...........perhaps they are also not educated enough yet with the breed???.

OH I believe you.

[Longcoat]

No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

Because you are ignorant & illiterate, being dog aggressive doen't make a dog people aggressive, I am sick of wasting my time on people who are brainwashed by the media

Funny thing is Mantis, I know two APBT breeders well and have spent time with their dogs who are all extremely placid and freindly pets. I have also played with them with my dogs and are as fine as any pet could be. However, they have also told me the same story that Whippets has just told us...........perhaps they are also not educated enough yet with the breed???.

OH I believe you.

Doesn't look like too many believe your interpretation of the breed Mantis, otherwise they would be off the list

[centitout]

I heard this on my car radio driving home at 6pm tonight which has prompted me to look for a possible thread on the subject.

The news report I heard stated that one of the woman's arms had been ripped off, the other was seriously injured & she also had facial injuries. Some guy commented and I don't know who it was he said something along the lines of, "No-one should own a pitbull as a pet, it is easy for them to go back to what they were originally bred for and that is attacking".

It made me feel sick. Most of us know pitsbulls are beautiful loving family dogs. There has to be a reason the dog attacked.

Does a pet dog really turn on it's owner like that for no reason

I dont know ,but i do know that years ago my ex- husband bought a rottie.Beautiful dog-he would not desex him though despite my arguments.This dog grew up with the kids,i was very pedantic with the kids and dogs ie always under supervision,and th ekids were taught from the time they could crawl to be gentle.This dog loved the kids,he would follow them around whereever they went,if they looked like going out of the house yard he would alert me.

He turned 2,and one day the 2nd youngest just walked towards his father and the dog just went for him-no warnings,just full on snarling,hackles and teeth showing and the bounding ,stiff legged gait.I was there right next to my son when it happened,the dog had been sitting with the kids only minutes prior.

So yes, a dog can turn in an instant,it doesnt matter for what reason,unless the dog is being hurt or has been abused,there is no excuse for it and they should be put down,as this dog was immediately.

[whippets]

Being dog aggressive doesn't make them people aggressive?

ah yeah o.k....... and how many people get frenzied on when trying to break dog fights up? It wasn't to long ago when a Bull breed dog turned on a man that was trying to pull it away from his little JRT. Probably just before christmas or thereabouts. Same thing happened with a man with his 2 maltese (I think, but they were a small breed). He got mauled trying to get the bull breed off his pets.

Facts that people need to also keep in mind is that "under the radar" APBT breeders register their dogs as crosses so the true value of crossbred bull attacks cannot be accurately measured.

BTW Mantis if you are a P.R for pit bull breeds then you are doing a really bad job. Ranting and carrying on with personal attacks on posters who dont' agree with you is usually not a good thing...

[Longcoat]

I heard this on my car radio driving home at 6pm tonight which has prompted me to look for a possible thread on the subject.

The news report I heard stated that one of the woman's arms had been ripped off, the other was seriously injured & she also had facial injuries. Some guy commented and I don't know who it was he said something along the lines of, "No-one should own a pitbull as a pet, it is easy for them to go back to what they were originally bred for and that is attacking".

It made me feel sick. Most of us know pitsbulls are beautiful loving family dogs. There has to be a reason the dog attacked.

Does a pet dog really turn on it's owner like that for no reason

I dont know ,but i do know that years ago my ex- husband bought a rottie.Beautiful dog-he would not desex him though despite my arguments.This dog grew up with the kids,i was very pedantic with the kids and dogs ie always under supervision,and th ekids were taught from the time they could crawl to be gentle.This dog loved the kids,he would follow them around whereever they went,if they looked like going out of the house yard he would alert me.

He turned 2,and one day the 2nd youngest just walked towards his father and the dog just went for him-no warnings,just full on snarling,hackles and teeth showing and the bounding ,stiff legged gait.I was there right next to my son when it happened,the dog had been sitting with the kids only minutes prior.

So yes, a dog can turn in an instant,it doesnt matter for what reason,unless the dog is being hurt or has been abused,there is no excuse for it and they should be put down,as this dog was immediately.

Thanks for sharing your story Centitout, a very sad situation. You do hear other similar stories with kids involved. I have always wondered if perhaps conflict exists in the pecking order bewteen dogs and kids??? Dogs that have snapped and bitten kids in the family generally have never aggressed towards the adults, leaders of the pack.

[Jed]

No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.

For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

Total crap. You don't know anything about them. Dogs were bred to fight, but bred to be people safe. Fighting other dogs doesn't equate to attacks on people, never has, never will.

No medium to large sized dog should be owned by idiots.

There has never been a fatal attack by a pitbull in Aust. What does that tell you?

Pitbulls are way down the attack list stats, even when they are numerically adjusted.

Be frightened of cattle dogs, german shepherds, labradors, they are way ahead of pitbulls.

Do you research before posting your feelings disguised as fact, and fact shaped by skewed media propaganda.

[whippets]

No not crap. I'm not sure how many more bull breed/s attacks there has to be on people/other animals but maybe some people will get a clue eventually and some will keep their heads firmly implanted in the sand.

For example, the APBT site specifically inform that they were initially bred for fighting and it's a fact that can't be denied or ignored. They also mention that potential owners should be aware of the potential inherited characteristics of this breed.

I would akin them to owning a loaded gun. In the right hands they can be safe (with proper training) and not many "average Joe" people would even fit that bill. In the wrong hands.....well we've seen what happens time and time again.

I use to dislike APBT's immensely but now I actually fill sorry for them. With the fighting lines that got imported in the 1980's (way to many Jeep descendents), then into the hands of idiots, then other people who breed them illegally under the radar.....the breed actually stood no chance in this country. It's a real pity there wern't more importations from the "non fighting" lines then we could have seen custom dogs, safer family pets, obedience, agility and therapy dogs (which the non fighting lines are used for in the USA).

Total crap. You don't know anything about them. Dogs were bred to fight, but bred to be people safe. Fighting other dogs doesn't equate to attacks on people, never has, never will.

No medium to large sized dog should be owned by idiots.

There has never been a fatal attack by a pitbull in Aust. What does that tell you?

Pitbulls are way down the attack list stats, even when they are numerically adjusted.

Be frightened of cattle dogs, german shepherds, labradors, they are way ahead of pitbulls.

Do you research before posting your feelings disguised as fact, and fact shaped by skewed media propaganda.

Sure thing. You keep telling yourself that and events, like what happened to this lady, will continue to occur.

[indigirl]

The report I saw said the dog had a history of aggression, he had bitten before. So whether it was a bull breed or a pekinese it appears the owner knowingly kept a dog with a history of aggression towards ppl.

Hope the poor woman recovers fully.

[Jed]

Funny thing is Mantis, I know two APBT breeders well and have spent time with their dogs who are all extremely placid and freindly pets. I have also played with them with my dogs and are as fine as any pet could be. However, they have also told me the same story that Whippets has just told us...........perhaps they are also not educated enough yet with the breed???.

What is "the same story that Whippets has just told us" please? I am not sure what she is telling us.

ah yeah o.k....... and how many people get frenzied on when trying to break dog fights up? It wasn't to long ago when a Bull breed dog turned on a man that was trying to pull it away from his little JRT. Probably just before christmas or thereabouts. Same thing happened with a man with his 2 maltese (I think, but they were a small breed). He got mauled trying to get the bull breed off his pets.

The list of people being bitten by dogs - all breeds - trying to sort out dog fights or attacks by large dogs on smaller dogs numbers in the thousands.Most dogs, in an attack, lose the plot and bite anything at hand. No one should put any part of their person anywhere near a dog attack. Difficult when it's your dog being attacked, and likely to lose, but there it is. Lots of people are bitten by their own dogs of any breed trying to break up fights.

This is NOT the same as human aggression.

Most of the time, there is no proof that the attacking dog is even a pitbull. And a lot of the attacking dog are not pitbulls. I am not involved any more, but when I was, any dog which attacked was a "pitbull" but further investigation revealed that it was not a pitbull. Some were pitbull crosses, some were not. People think any tan or brindle dog is a pitbull.

My friend's dog and cat were killed by a marauding dog - it was about 100 cms tall and brindle. It then went for her, so she shot it. She swore it was a pitbull. It was far too tall to be a pitbull. I have no idea what it was, but she swears it was a pitbull. It was a crossbred hunting dog.

And so the legends spread.

And I think Mantis is quite justified in defending her dog against attacks on his breed from people who have very little knowledge of the breed, and have been influenced by propaganda for the past 10 years. Mantis' dog, like the majority of pitbulls and crosses, has never done anything bad. He is a good dog. She is entitled to stand up for his against detractors.

And frankly, some of the rah rah set for pitbulls who post on this forum are the worst possible advertisement for pitbull owners. I am not referring to Mantis.Some of them should be banned instead of the dogs.

Some pitbulls are dog aggressive - that's fact. Particularly the males. They need a handler who is aware of that.

Many male dogs of many breeds are dog aggressive, and they need early socialisation and training. Fortunately, breeders are aware of that, and are careful where their pups go. Having a tendency to dog aggression does not equate to human aggression, nor does it mean that the dog will actually attack.

The attack we are discussing is not a dog attack, it is a human attack. A highly unlikely thing for a pitbull to do.

Victorian figures show less than 50 attacks by American Pit Bull Terriers from more that 3200 from all breeds or around 1.5 %”

They were known as "the nanny dog".

Many S&R dogs in Us are pitbulls, many of the dogs used to search the wreckage of the twin towers were pitbulls, called in from across USA.

By the time of WWI the American Pit Bull Terrier had became a well loved and desired dog breed of choice. In fact the Pit Bull was used as America's canine military mascot of the time as seen in such posters as these during war time.

In 1917 a Pit Bull by the name of Sgt. Stubby became a war hero for saving several soldiers lives and even capturing a German Spy while in the trenches of France with the 26th Yankee Division. A bust of Sgt. Stuby was even donated to the Smithsonian for historical purposes.

Later the Pit Bull breed was used to signify sturdiness, dependability, and loyalty by such organizations as RCA, Buster Brown shoes, and even the loveable Pete of the Little Rascals.

In fact the first dog to travel across America in a car was a Pit Bull ( Bud ) and did so also with the first persons ( Horatio Jackson and his assistant and "bicycle" mechanic Sewall Crocker ) to cross America in a car ( a Winton named the Vermont). During the trip Bud would assist in watching for large bumps in the road and often received as much if not more attention by the press than did Jackson.

Horatio later donated Bud's goggles to the Smithsonian Institute in Washington D.C. After the trip was completed Bud bravely guarded the Jackson home until his death of old age.

Famous Pit Bull Owners

Many a famous people such as Rachel Ray, Ashley Olsen, Pink, Jessica Alba, Jesse James ( West Coast Choppers) Fred Astaire, President Roosevelt, Jack Dempsy, Thomas Edison, Madonna, Michael J Fox, Brad Pitt, Bernadette Peters, Sinbad, Alicia Silverstone, Linda Blair, Humphrey Bogart, Usher, Mel Brooks, Ann Bancroft, John Stuart, Jan Michael Vincent, Pink (the singer), Kelli Williams (Actress from The Practice), Ken Howard (Father in Crossing Jordon - his Pit Shadow saved his life), Malcolm Jamal Warner, Stephan Jenkins, Rosie Perez, Amanda Lewis, Amy Jo Johnson, Mary Tyler Moore, Steve and Terrie Erwin (Crockhunters), Jack Johnson (Hawaiian singer), Bill Berloni (Broadway show dog trainer who has said that the Pit is the breed of choice for training), Anthony Robbins, Molly Price (Actress from Third Watch), President Woodrow Wilson, Frankie Muniz, AJ Mclean, Barbara Eden, and even Helen Keller have been lucky enough to own this magnificent animal.

Well known sports figures who own Pit Bulls include: Tennis Star Serena Williams (Bambi), Professional Basketball Players Desmond Mason (Zane, Capone), Rashard Lewis (Cookie, Angel, Ginger), Amare Stoudemire (JT, Ace, Deuce), Alton Ford (Mischif, Rosy, Spicey, Diable +3 pups with names unknown), Tamika Dixon and Mo Vaughn.

The American Pit Bull Terrier ( APBT ) is a medium sized breed of dog. It has short hair which is relatively smooth to the touch. Pit Bulls come in all colors and patterns.

The Pit Bull breed has been developed over hundreds of years to be a worker and is well suited to most any task requiring strength, agility, and intelligence. A well developed American Pit Bull Terrier ( APBT ) should be muscular in build with well pronounced chest and legs. A Pit Bull's head is often described as brick-like but is actually more in the shape of a wedge. The muzzle of the Pit may vary in length but a Pit with a well developed head will have a wide muzzle at maturity ending at a muscular jaw.

The tail is often described to resemble a lever and ends in a tip. Although some Pits may have their tail cropped this is not recommended as it affects their balance. A Pit Bulls tail is never in the shape of a corkscrew.

The ears of Pit Bulls are set rather high on the head and may be cropped or un-cropped based on preference. When a Pit shows interest or expresses joy in something its ears will often move toward each other revealing wrinkles on the forehead.

Pit Bull's eyes are round or oval in shape and come in all colors including blue which is caused by the Merle gene. Merle genetics may also reveal itself in blotches on the coat and is typically manifested this way in reds and blues.

The nose of a Pit Bull can be any natural color but in most cases are black, red, blue, or speckled.

A well-mannered and properly socialized Pit Bull will exhibit confidence in most every situation. When a task brings itself to light the Pit Bull is typically inquisitive and exhibits a can do and don't give up attitude.

The Pit Bulls intelligence is unsurpassed and can get it into trouble sometimes once it figures out it is a natural escape artist and can climb trees almost as good as a cat. Because of this ability it is of the utmost importance to keep objects and trees away from any fences that are intended to confine them. Pit Bulls have a natural tendency to want to please their owners and strive for human attention. Pit Bulls make excellent family pets but should be watched around children as their exuberance, size, strength, and weight may be overpowering.

Pit Bulls can be trained for most any occasion ranging from service and therapy work, guarding, hunting, rescue, and the activity it loves best; couch or bed warming. Although all Pit Bulls need physical activity to help release their large stores of youthful energy, head pats and belly rubs are always a welcomed second.

Today the Pit Bull has evolved into a marvelous working and companion dog, used for purposes as varied as those it originally performed. Pit Bulls are employed as police/armed services dogs, search and rescuers, therapy animals, and livestock workers. They compete in all manner of organized dog sports, from herding to agility to conformation to obedience and the bite sports like Schutzhund and French Ring. They make loving pets for children and seniors, and everyone in between. The are indeed one of the most versatile breeds on the planet. Much of this is owed to the activities it once performed. The harshness and physical demands of the activities molded a strong, healthy, stable animal, one anyone should be proud to own.

Height: 18 - 22 inches

Weight: 30 - 60 lbs.

Colors:

Any color

Coat:

Thick, short, shiny hair

Temperament:

Courageous, loyal, full of energy; Should be socialized early on with children and other animals.

Care and Exercise:

Regular brushing with a bristle brush or rubbing down his coat with a chamois will keep the coat shiny and clean. Bath only when necessary. Needs a substantial amount of vigorous exercise which needs to be on-leash. Enjoys running along side a bicycle.

Health Issues:

Mange and heart murmurs. Breeders should be concerned with doing health testing on the sire or dam such as OFA, PENN HIP

Category: Terrier

Registries: UCA, UKC, ADBA, CKC, APBR

Living Environment: Either Indoor or Outdoor

I also suggest you go to this site and read this page. Dianne Jessup is well known and has a vast store of knowledge.

http://www.workingpitbull.com/whydodogsbite.htm

5-Week Old Mauled By A Dog 9/04

JACKSONVILLE, FL -- A 5-week-old boy is dead after being mauled by a dog.The attack happened at a home off Jade Drive on the Westside Tuesday afternoon. Authorities say a man and a woman rushed the young boy, identified as Jose Diaz, to a nearby fire station asking for help. Firefighters tried CPR on the little boy until Trauma One arrived to take the baby to Shands Jacksonville. The boy did not survive.

There are three dogs at the home. Animal Control officers took the dogs away. Two of the dogs are mixed, the third is a terrier. Investigators are trying to determine which dog attacked the baby. Once that is determined, the dog will be labeled as "dangerous", and that could lead to it being put to sleep.

Terrified neighbours see Bullmastiff kill owner 08/04A 39-year-old woman was savaged to death by her pet bull mastiff dog yesterday.

Terrified elderly neighbours could only look on as the fatal attack, which started inside Carol Leeanne Taylor's home in the Dunedin suburb of Caversham, spilled on to the back lawn. Blood and upturned furniture in the lounge told a gory story. Neighbour Melva Dixon told how she watched helplessly as Mrs Taylor fought for her life.

Toddler Wanders Into Yard, Face Mauled by Chained German Shepherd Dog

August 1, 2004, SPANIARD'S BAY, Nfld. -- A dog attack that took just seconds has left a Newfoundland toddler in hospital with facial wounds his mother fears he may never fully recover from. Two-year-old Johnathan Mahoney-Marsh remained in hospital this weekend

Dog Owner Stunned by Vicious Akita Attack 06/04

EARL, N.C. -- A 7-year-old Cleveland County boy is in critical condition after a neighbor's dog attacked him Thursday morning

Fatal dog mauling may bring no charges 02/04LIHUE, Kauai police detectives and prosecutors were scheduled to meet today to decide whether criminal charges should be filed against a Moloaa man whose dog fatally injured a 17-month-old boy on Saturday. ...She said the dog appears to be a Labrador-Basset hound mix

Akitas attacking in Edmonton, Canada 08/03

EDMONTON - Two of three Edmonton-area Akita dogs involved in vicious attacks in August will have been destroyed by the end of the week. The other is in quarantine.

Four year old killed by Rottweilers. 03/03

KINGSTON PENINSULA, N.B. - Friends and relatives of a child killed on the weekend by three Rottweilers say they don't know how the boy got out of the house, or why the dogs attacked

Wolf Hybrid" Kills Child 06/02

A Ballard County woman whose dog fatally attacked a 5-year-old boy in June 2002

Toddler recovers from dog attack 06/01

SYDNEY, N.S. - A toddler is recovering in hospital after a dog attacked her. Police seized a dog described as a German Shepard mix

Bullmastiff Kills 8 year old girl. 05/99

STOUFFVILLE - An Ontario jury is calling for much tougher laws governing vicious dog attacks. The jury is part of a coroner's inquest looking into the death of eight year old Courtney Trempe. The Stoufville girl was mauled to death last spring. A death it called accidental.

Husky dogs blamed for boy's death 12/98

CROSS LAKE, MANITOBA - RCMP are investigating the death of an 8-year-old boy in Cross Lake in northern Manitoba. Police say the boy was attacked by dogs late monday night

From http://www.workingpitbull.com/fatalbook.htm

A breed doesn't attack, all breeds do. Pitbulls may attack but other breeds do too.

The attacks are about the same in Australia. Woman killed in NSW by Ridgbacks or crosses, man killed by rottweiler, woman killed by rottweiler, child killed by hunting dogs. Malamute ripped the face off a 2 year old.

A fox terrier killed a child in England. A pom attacked and killed a baby in America.

Before you bag pitbulls, do some real research on the breed, not only what is written in the tabloid press.

[chrisjc]

and you keep telling yourself your an expert. these events are always going to happen regardless of an APBT being responsible or it be another dog.

how many times do you people have to have the same history gone over again and again everytime one of these attacks happens , you are all the first people to be against the BSL situation but also the first to poke and prod the minimal parts of the storys , and take what suits your opinion which in this case has not even been ideentified let alone any pictures for us to say what we think.

you people need to get real , some of you have even claimed by what you have written as a APBT as a "large powerfull breed" powerfull? hell yes, large? far from it, my APBT is twenty two kgs fat, and she is a average example.

someone mentioned the influx of "jeep" dogs being too many and as that is a fighting lines, well let me tell you something about the dogs that were imported over that period THEY WERE ALL DOGS FROM FIGHTING STOCK, they are not even a ANKC breed here so who was going to show them? every second dog that would have left the USA over that period would have been a "Jeep" dog.

for the unmpteenth time the APBT's closer to the old fighting lines have a better percentage of a more stable temperement than a byb dog by a drug dealer who gets big dollars for pups.

anyone in this country who would be the kind of Apbt owner who would run a stable breeding program if they were legal , screening ALL owners and concentrating on doing better by the breed have been forced into hiding.

The people that thrive on it are the Underground byb peddlers who are absolutly cleaning up the market with badly bred dogs and selling them to any avererage joe who steps in the yard.

you are even making me paranoid in my own house.I have just realised that in what has been nearly ten years of owning my current Apbt , that sleeping next to me on her own chair sleeping and right now is having an enjoyable dream, it hits me that i have got a machinegun sleeping next to me! im so afraid to wake her up in case she rips half my face off. you know they have locking jaws?

all you are contributing is more crap to be piled on top of whats allready there.

ive decided that im going to buy a lotto ticket, ive had a think and after having about fifteen years of owning no other breed other than the APBT i cant believe im still alive let alone never been attacked by any of these uncontrollable beasts, i guess im at least fifteen thousand times more likely to have been attacked compared to the normal person would?

[whippets]

Yes C & C from Wiki and bull breed breeders sites is "real research"..not

You tend to talk mainly about the APBT in the USA which has MUCH less "fighting line" blood than Australia. But you said you were involved with them so you should know this already right? You should already know that over 80% of the dogs (jeep, redboy etc) imported were from fighting lines right? You should also know that the CH and ROM APBT in the USA don't get their titles from doing triangles and stack in front of the judge right?

Nice propaganda skewed to the other side of the bull debate. Hats off to you.Your biased, unbalanced post to the "pro" side is just as bad as the "tabloid press". Why don't you link the press adds that address bull breed attacks? If the tabloids say it's a fox terrier you will of course agree that it is but when it's a bull breed you will question it. That's logic in a nutshell.

[Kirislin]

Krislin, to answer your question. I rough house my boxers and I can guarantee that it would be impossible to get one off if it was intent on harm. They are too agile, too quick and too powerful. Our games are games, and "no" is understood, no harm is meant, no dog ever becomes overexcited, but it's hard work keeping them off when they are playing. Having one attack would be terrifying. I would be toast!!

You might have mixed me up with someone else, I didn't ask a question, I only commented that strength and aggression was a lethal combination.

[centitout]

I heard this on my car radio driving home at 6pm tonight which has prompted me to look for a possible thread on the subject.

The news report I heard stated that one of the woman's arms had been ripped off, the other was seriously injured & she also had facial injuries. Some guy commented and I don't know who it was he said something along the lines of, "No-one should own a pitbull as a pet, it is easy for them to go back to what they were originally bred for and that is attacking".

It made me feel sick. Most of us know pitsbulls are beautiful loving family dogs. There has to be a reason the dog attacked.

Does a pet dog really turn on it's owner like that for no reason

I dont know ,but i do know that years ago my ex- husband bought a rottie.Beautiful dog-he would not desex him though despite my arguments.This dog grew up with the kids,i was very pedantic with the kids and dogs ie always under supervision,and th ekids were taught from the time they could crawl to be gentle.This dog loved the kids,he would follow them around whereever they went,if they looked like going out of the house yard he would alert me.

He turned 2,and one day the 2nd youngest just walked towards his father and the dog just went for him-no warnings,just full on snarling,hackles and teeth showing and the bounding ,stiff legged gait.I was there right next to my son when it happened,the dog had been sitting with the kids only minutes prior.

So yes, a dog can turn in an instant,it doesnt matter for what reason,unless the dog is being hurt or has been abused,there is no excuse for it and they should be put down,as this dog was immediately.

Thanks for sharing your story Centitout, a very sad situation. You do hear other similar stories with kids involved. I have always wondered if perhaps conflict exists in the pecking order bewteen dogs and kids??? Dogs that have snapped and bitten kids in the family generally have never aggressed towards the adults, leaders of the pack.

I am experienced with dogs/horses,especially entire males ,i dont care ,if a dog shows unprovoked aggression to anyone,that dog will be euthanased no questions asked.

It doesnt matter if there is conflict in the pecking order,or they still have balls,or they view the kids as lower down the order,whatever- human aggression is not ok in any circumstance.I do not tolerate it and it is not always someone not picking up signals.I dont care if a bitch is in season,or a new dog has been added that has caused a shift in the balance,it is not excused or condoned in this house.

The only exception i would make is a dog that has been abused,or is being hurt.