What Do You Think?

[poodlefan]

I bet if coolies were not mostly merle, they would not, like so many other breeds, be slowly but surely losing their working ability.

Those who breed with colour as the primary goal don't benefit any breed.

Edited March 22, 2010 by poodlefan

[Vickie]

Mind you, doesn't mean the offspring won't work assuming it is being bred to another working dog.

True, the offspring may work. But is very unlikely that they would be better working dogs than than the bitch. Isn't that what breeding is all about? improving the quality of what you already have?

[t-time]

OK Jed - you know all these answers........what's the catch here? :laugh:

[t-time]

I would think that person was some sort of a professor? wink.gif

Has it been checked for CEA?

Ohhhhhhh....what's this all about?? :laugh:

[aussielover]

What do you mean by "healthy" an apparently healthy animal still carries reccessive genes for disease. I if it is to be bred it should at least be screened for common diseases within the breed.

And to stand a dog at stud- don't you need papers documenting familt tree etc.?

Also, I thought the Coolie was not yet an official breed anyway.

If its a working dog, its another story.

[shapeshifter]

I could hazard a guess at who you are talking about and if it's someone different then geez I would have hoped that they learnt what not to do off the first person, either that or they looked at it as, well x did it so can I.

It's not a great way to start a breeding program no matter how many 'real' koolies/coolies are in the breeding program.

[Mystiqview]

I would have thought a pound dog would have been desexed. Oh well.

I think I have more of an issue of the pound selling an entire dog than the guy putting it up for stud duties.

No worse to any of the other BYB designer cross breds out there.

[AmandaJ]

What is the acceptable requirement for people to breed dogs? Is a pound dog of less worth than another dog?

As dogs of any breed or part thereof are of the same species they can and do often carry the same recessive genes which cause problems but they also have various other genes not necessarily in evidence in the dog which can be given to the pups.

A minimum acceptable requirement is 1) knowing the parentage so you know what you may inadvetantly breed into the puppies.

Unless you know the parentage you go in blind but there are gene interactions in which a gene at one locus masks or suppresses the effects of a gene at a different locus so you cant see it in the parent but you do see it in the babies.2) That you screen for various diseases common to all dogs and known to occur in the breed.

The theory behind this kind of breeding is that even if there are recessive genes that there is little chance of them meeting up with random matings but this is only one type of gene interaction and mixed breed dogs actually have potential for more genetic issues than purebreds as was evidenced in studies done by George Padgett and as is clearly showing in our health surveys.

If you get healthy puppies its more luck than anything else. Even many commercial puppy farmers want to know the parentage of their parent dogs and why Kate Scoffeld wants to be able to buy healthy pedigreed purebred dogs to use in her breeding establishment.

Steve could you please point me in the right direction for Padgetts studies - wouldn't mind reading them.

[sausy.dog]

Mind you, doesn't mean the offspring won't work assuming it is being bred to another working dog.

True, the offspring may work. But is very unlikely that they would be better working dogs than than the bitch. Isn't that what breeding is all about? improving the quality of what you already have?

Not necessarily if the bitch is a fantastic working dog. If its equal that might be all that someone is after, improvement might not be the goal. I don't necessarily agree with what you say regarding that it is unlikely to be better than the bitch. I have seen plenty of fantastic working dogs out of average parents but equally so duds out of great parents.

This is in no way an argument for breeding that particular dog. Just anwering your question.

[Vickie]

Not necessarily if the bitch is a fantastic working dog. If its equal that might be all that someone is after, improvement might not be the goal. I don't necessarily agree with what you say regarding that it is unlikely to be better than the bitch. I have seen plenty of fantastic working dogs out of average parents but equally so duds out of great parents.

This is in no way an argument for breeding that particular dog. Just anwering your question.

My question was rhetorical. I believe that breeding should be about improvement and I do not believe that you can improve working ability (other than an occasional, (probably recessive) fluke) by using an inferior working parent. I am happy for you to disagree with me. .

I am no expert & do not breed, but the successful formula that most working breeders use makes perfect sense to me.

Edited March 23, 2010 by Vickie

[Sagittarian]

I think the Jedster is changing directions... "Coolie x TBCSITW" perhaps? Able to sniff out a and round it up all at the same time.

Oh, that won't work. Coolie is a boy and so is TBCSITW.

Unless you found out a new type of designer dogs??

Sags

[WoofnHoof]

Depends on what they are breeding for I suppose? Many a breed has begun with just one dog that someone liked for whatever reason and wanted more of.

[poodlefan]

I think the Jedster is changing directions... "Coolie x TBCSITW" perhaps? Able to sniff out a and round it up all at the same time.

Oh, that won't work. Coolie is a boy and so is TBCSITW.

Unless you found out a new type of designer dogs??

:p

Sags

;)

Shonkypaws has always been the colour specialist. They may be going to breed merle Cockers.. lots of $$$$ in that I reckon.