It's Not My Business I Know....

[cassie]

Willow I thought the same thing, she was happy to announce it to the facebook world and accept comments on it, although she has since deleted my comments from her status :D Probably because I was the only one making sense!!!!!

[poodlemum]

Well, as a breeder, I would be VERY grateful that you cared enough to let me know. If the bitch is not actually pregnant, all the better, but I could then contact the owner and "gently" remind her of the desexing agreement (assuming there was one)

[fifi]

Ask her if she has a couple of thousand dollars or a full credit card !!! in case of an emergency ceasar, or other complications, and then time to raise a litter and funds to pay for their food & vaccinations ect !!!

fifi

[Bjelkier]

Personally if I found out a dog I bred was in that situation I would like to know.

[Trisven13]

I'm with Ellz on this one... Why wasn't she desexed? Another reason why rescue groups don't like breeders as they allow dogs to go to homes like this breed cross pups and the pups will grow into dogs and end up in pounds because they are no longer cute.

Please be more specific and say that this is why SOME rescue groups don't like SOME breeders. There are enough problems with perceived rescuer -v- breeder ethics without statements like this. As a rescuer (and hopeful one day breeder) I would much prefer that breeders supported rescue than the other way around. If they are attacked in ways such as this then there goes the help. Breeders & rescue should be able to work together very successfully - lets face it there aren't many people out there who love dogs as much as rescuers & breeders do.

I have heard of plenty of dogs being sprung from the pound pregnant, and taken to be desexed and they were full term and the carers not knowing they were full term. No affect on the bitch in any way.

Again I will disagree with you. We rescue dogs from Wodonga Pound which is in Victoria and a requirement is that all dogs be desexed before rehoming. We have had 2 bitches desexed VERY VERY late in their pregnancies recently and each of them has been quite unwell after this much larger surgery and very down. Years ago I desexed another bitch late in her pregnancy and she took two weeks to be back to her pre-desexing self.

[Red Fox]

HER:

we dont know how far along she is though, wouldnt there be a point where its too late for an injection? and its hard for us to just get down to adelaide to get (vet) to do it

If she can't get down to the vet for an injection what will she do if the dog need a c-section?? Is there no local vet where she is??

[Trisven13]

Yeah tell her my stats on rescued pregnant dogs - c-sections for 6/13 (or similar and its Friday night and I'm not going through records :D )

[MsKatie]

No real advice to add cassie but well done to you for putting the facts out there to her :cool:

[OSoSwift]

If you are not worried about saving a relationship, then I would seriously think about emailing the breeder anyway as they obviously only have the backyard to keep her in and that is not adequate. If she isn't pregnant this time, she may well be next time.

I also agree if it is too hard to go to the vets for a needle it will be too hard for a caesar.

Good luck with what you choose to do.

Edited March 12, 2010 by Rommi n Lewis

[poodlefan]

I'd be keeping my lip zipped as far as the breeder is concerned. The breeder can't do anything now.

I would be concentrating my efforts on convincing the owner to get this dog desexed ASAP. That would solve the pregnancy issue once and for all.

You can tell the owner that desexing will be heap cheaper than whelping and raising a litter of pups.

[Jed]

Cassie, as a breeder, I'd want to know. I think most breeders would. The reaction will be different - from admonishments, to "accidents happen", but most will offer advice and assistance, and that is what she will need.

Hope it isn't my breeder, who would jump down the phone line, pull her hair out by the roots, kill her painfully until she is quite dead and take the bitch away. :cool:

[Bullmastiff Addict]

is shes not too far along she can have a course of alizin injections at the vets which will abort the pregnancy

[Jed]

Nickojoy

Sorry breeders - but you ethical ones know exactly what I am saying here and this is why you have contracts, limited register and encourage desexing. Other's don't care as long as they get the quick cash in their pockets.

Thanks for that, always pleased to know what opinions forum users have of us breeders. Very nice comment.

[justin19801]

Personally, once I've paid for a dog I believe it's mine. If there is a breeders contract perhaps it's legally enforceable, perhaps not, I don't know.. Personally it has happened so do you want to lose a friend? This may be a good time to educate her about desexing however 5 minutes googling will show her that pet overpopulation is largely mythical. If she was being cruel, that's another matter. In the end it's her dog and no-one elses business.

[KristenLovesLabs]

]however 5 minutes googling will show her that pet overpopulation is largely mythical.

Eh? If I spend 5 minutes googling I can track Elvis and his positions over the last 30 years, doesn't mean it is true.

The mere fact that animals are euthanised because they can't be rehomed in shelters shows that we do indeed have an issue.

Never mind the fact that so many of the dogs needing rescuing are staffy x breeds.

I say tell the breeder, maybe she can talk some sense into her.

[Ashanali]

5 minutes googling will show her that pet overpopulation is largely mythical.

Because it's controlled by the massive amount of animals put to sleep.

[~Shepherd~]

Be helpful, not critical even reg. breeders have 'mistakes'. She isnt a BYB and Im sure she will make sure it doesnt happen again. Help her responsibly home the puppies, mistakes happen. This happened to a non DOL friend of mine. Pups in good homes and dog now desexed through my help and advice. A breeder acquaintance of mine assisted the person with all the finer detailed stuff like vacs dates, whelping questions etc.

[lappiemum]

From her comments posted here, my guess is that she will probably decide to have the pups, if her girl is indeed pregnant. What she will need is some support/advice on pregnancy and whelping, even if just to try and mitigate the risks to the dam and pups. Is there anyone she can turn to for advice and support?

[Kirty]

Justin, so where do the 250,000 excess dogs and cats go every year? To 'the farm'?

[BIG-DOG-LOVER]

Cassie, if you were the dogs breeder would you want to know (am sure I know the answer to that!)?

I'd stop conversations with her for the time being and contact the breeder (email would be fine).

Explain the situation to them and how you are unsure if the girl is actually pregnant but that you are concerned for her welfare and that as a dedicated dog owner you feel that what your 'friend' is doing isn't quite correct.

Surely since the girl is entire there must be a contract of some sort in place and therefore it is likely that it is in the breeders best interest to know the situation.

ETA: If the girl has the pups and all runs smoothly by chance, it may also make your 'friend' think that breeding puppies makes money and be the start of another BYB....

Edited March 12, 2010 by BIG-DOG-LOVER