Byber Vs Non-byber

[nicolatu]

Hi everyone,

I heard that many BYBer are getting into DOL so I was just wondering how do you differentiate between the BYBer and non-BYBer? How should I go about asking the right questions about the breed I want to buy?

Regards,

Nicola

[Christina]

1st thing is to ask are they a registered breeder.

Then you phone the canine association in their state & ask if they are currently registered. Easy.

You should have researched your chosen breed in advance. Ask if they have had the relevant health tests done.

Not everything can be tested for so you do need to know which tests are advised for your breed.

The breeder should answer any questions you have & advise about care, grooming, feeding, or anything you are unsure about.

Ask about any health guarantee.

Next step is to meet when a puppy is available for you & assure that you are happy with the breeder, environment & of course the puppy.

You must also state if you want a puppy for show/breed or a pet when enquiring. Papers are different.

That way the breeder knows straight away if they can offer you a puppy or not.

Hope that helps a little.

[GeckoTree]

Its a good question now since many would be registered. I am pretty sure only registered are allowed to advertise etc on DOL main page, and some sort of check would be done.

I have been led to believe you have to ask about health testing etc.

Edited March 7, 2010 by GeckoTree

[Steve]

In order to advertise on dol you have to be a registered breeder with a current prefix with one of the states ANKC canine authorities.

Whether or not these people are doing the right thing or not is up to their state's canine associations and its not possible for Troy to be able to check out which ones are doing the right thing. If Troy starts to take notice of everyone who wants to say something about a breeder and disqualify them based on that then no one would be left advertising.

Get the breeder talking about their dogs and what they do to be sure their puppies have a great start in life.

Ask about what they were aiming for with the mating and you want to hear that part of that is in what they would be putting intothe next generation.

A backyard breeder or a puppy farmer only looks at what they might get from that one litter - that may be nice pets to get some extra money a champion or a great working dog etc but unless they can tell you they were interested in the generation after this and how what they were doing might impact on the breed or their dogs into the future this is a definite warning light.

If a breeder is looking at what comes next they are more likely to look at profiling a pedigree effectively screening for recessive issues and selecting dogs more suitable for breeding.

Take a look at the state's canine association codes of conduct and consider what is in there you dont want a breeder to do. For example in some states the breeder can sell puppies to pet shops.I would not buy a puppy from someone who sells puppies to pet shops because I think thats a screaming red light on how they view puppies.They can own hundreds of dogs, they can breed purebred as well as cross bred puppies all while they are breeding show,pet or working dogs.

Or you can buy from an MDBA member we've already screened them for you and we have various checks to make sure they comply with our code of ethics. If you are an MDBA pet owner member we will take a close look at any breeder you're thinking of buying from and give you advice too.

[Gracie Monsta]

When looking for ETHICAL registered breeders these are the first things I look for:

Don't advertise entire litters on main reg.

Usually have some form of desexing contract for limited reg puppies.

Happily discuss and show results of relevant health tests.

There are other things I also consider but those three are my starting point.

[JulesP]

Just because a breeder is registered doesn't make them ethical.

There are also different versions of ethical One person might think it is only ok for a breeder to breed when they want to keep a puppy and anything else is puppy farming. And there are always 2 sides, well 3 sides to a story. Each person's side and the truth!

You just need to do your research and ask lots of questions.

[3Woofs]

Then you phone the canine association in their state & ask if they are currently registered. Easy.

No that easy it seems.

I just called DogsNSW to find out if a prefix was registered and they told me they can't tell me due to privacy laws.... WTF!! I didn't ask about the person who owns it or any personal info just whether the prefix was registered with them.

[Steve]

When looking for ETHICAL registered breeders these are the first things I look for:

Don't advertise entire litters on main reg.

Usually have some form of desexing contract for limited reg puppies.

Happily discuss and show results of relevant health tests.

There are other things I also consider but those three are my starting point.

Advertising entire litters on main registration wouldnt bother me and I dont mind if they dont have a desexing contract either.

[sandgrubber]

It is possible to be ethical without being registered . . . eg, many great working dogs are not registered. As others have stated, it's also possible to be registered and not ethical.

In my experience the BYB label is often thrown around by people who think everyone should be like them: commonly by people who believe you shouldn't breed if you don't show, or that you should only breed to preserve your line and not to produce litters for sale as pets. I would hope that people who aren't grinding an axe would use more neutral terms, such as 'unregistered breeder' . . . or describe the situation, eg., breeds but doesn't show, or owns a pretty average dog and a couple bitches and breeds them over and over.

The puppy mill label is likewise a matter of opinion and degrees . . . and I'd . I recently toured a kennel where there were two girls in whelp and about to pop, and two girls with litters on the ground . . . I'd guess the owner goes over 10 litters a year. She doesn't show. But the kennels were clean, the dogs appeared friendly, happy and calm, she had three dogs just out of quarantine that she imported for stud purposes. She has her own humicrib. No question it's a business. But I'd say 'puppy mill' is harsh.

Edited March 8, 2010 by sandgrubber