Baby Puppy Class

[SpikesPuppy]

I can't find anything on the DV website but I recall reading somewhere (may have been another state's CC), that in the baby puppy class, the dog does not have to be on the Main Register to be shown? Is this still (or was it ever?) the case??

In Victoria BTW.

Thanks

[RallyValley]

My breeder informed me that in Vic the registration number is not necessary for Baby Puppy class so possibly.

[carlibud]

Just a thought but would it possibly be that you dont have to send their rego numbers if you dont have them, rather than them not be on main.

Just a thought.

I would imagine that they would have to be on Main, but Who knows hey

[SpikesPuppy]

They will all be registered by 3 months, it's just I want to know what my options are for our breed specialty (they will be 5 months ), I'm just thinking it might be a nice opportunity for some of the nicer pups & their people to try the show ring out.

[Tambaqui]

I have an upcoming baby puppy and entered him into 6 shows.

I have his intent show name but no rego number yet, but I've had the go ahead to enter him.

I did get this weekend show stuff, bu will need to pay $3 as he is the only baby puppy in my mums name (I didn't pay as I assumed it was not needed as both dogs live and reside with both of us).

[Ceilidh]

Your puppy MUST be at least main register pending. You don't need to have the rego number to enter shows in VIC if it is ok with the show sec. You do, however, need the rego number to enter shows in NSW.

[angelsun]

According to VCA rules:

(bold is mine)

\\3.5.13.3 Every person who enters a dog in any fixture conducted under these Regulations shall be

responsible for the correctness of details on the entry form. An Affiliate shall not accept an entry

that does not include all the details required by the entry form.

4.1.2 All dogs must be registered with the ANKC or with an ANKC recognised controlling body, and their

registered owners financial members of the VCA or of an ANKC recognised controlling body before

being eligible for entry for competition or exhibition or participation in any VCA recognised activity.

4.1.12 Limited Register

4.1.12.1 A dog shall be eligible for registration on the Limited Register if that dog is nominated for

registration on the duly completed application for registration form, as determined by

Management Committee from time to time and accompanied by the appropriate fee and is

included with the initial litter registration application and is:

4.1.12.1.1 Ineligible for exhibition at a Conformation Show; or'4.1.12.1.2 For any reason not to be used for breeding purposes; or

4.1.12.1.3 Not entire or has been neutered; or

4.1.12.1.4 Not registered in the main register.

4.1.12.1.5 Not registered in the associate register.

4.1.12.1.6 Ineligible for the issue of export documents, except to another Limited Register.

Hoperfully that sorts a few things...I'm sure I"ve missed something but haven't had a chance to really go over the rules and regs..in short, although some clubs HAVE taken entries without numbers, they are in fact in violation to do so. Numbers must be in the owners hands prior to entry of a show/trial/event. (there is no provision that I can find for 'pending' when it comes to what is considered to be proper information on the entry form.

Limited registration are ineligible for competition at a conformation show (any class)

[Ceilidh]

although some clubs HAVE taken entries without numbers, they are in fact in violation to do so. Numbers must be in the owners hands prior to entry of a show/trial/event. (there is no provision that I can find for 'pending' when it comes to what is considered to be proper information on the entry form.

Limited registration are ineligible for competition at a conformation show (any class)

That may be but, if you were to ring the office and ask, they will tell you that if the show sec agrees then a baby puppy can be shown while it is pending registration (ie, doesn't have a number yet). Just relating my experience with the VCA and what they tell you.

[Guest CaptainCourageous]

Maybe 3.5.13.3 is interpreted to mean the secretary must be advised of the registration number before the pup goes in the ring?

[angelsun]

Was not questioning what you were saying, only that doing so was in fact in violation of the rules, so if the VCA encourages it, they are in fact breaking their own rules and as such ANKC as it's coming down from them.

As we know, there are many things done in the world of dogs that are not always following the rule book. I was simply attempting to show what the actual rule was based on ANKC/VCA rule book as opposed to the many 'unwritten' and beleived to be 'real' rules that are around when it comes to dogs and shows/trials.

[Ceilidh]

Maybe 3.5.13.3 is interpreted to mean the secretary must be advised of the registration number before the pup goes in the ring?

Not as far as Dogs Vic are concerned.

[Mandalay]

I have always understood it that you can enter your baby puppy with rego number "Pending" as you enter a good Month before the show and we all know you may not have your rego numbers back from the Canine Bodies by then, so IF you get it in the meantime I have always rang the Sec and advised them of the number if it has not come throught I have always been allowed to show at Baby puppy level awaiting registered numbers !!

So having said that Babies are just that, Babies, they can not compete against older dogs or claim any points so there really is no harm done to anyone!!!

And again I do not see a sheep station waiting at the end of the baby puppy class !!!

JMHO !!!!

[lappiemum]

Hey SP - I'm pretty sure they need to be pending main register or already on the main. Sohvi was registered in QLD, got her number just after I sent off for her first show, rang the sec to give it to them a few days later but was told not to worry about it.

So we're going to have baby puppies in the rings at the same time! pity we're in different rings! LOL

[SpikesPuppy]

I don't want to use pending (I am using the 24 hour service the day they are chipped to get their papers back ASAP- I want my baby's name in the catalogue very first show ;) ), so it looks like if I want to invite any of my puppy buyers to enter in the specialty, I have to put the pups on Main Register. Bum. I know I can always then transfer to Limited after but that screws up any chances of putting them back on main if they turn out good enough (thinking of the new class). We rarely have more than 2 babies (often only 1) at our specialty so it would have been nice to have a whole bunch of 'em, plus to support the club etc and maybe get a couple people interested in showing, Oh well.

Anyway, I am 99% sure I have read something, a few years ago now, about pups under 6 months not having to be on Main and their owners didn't need to be CC members either, but can't for the life of me find it (it was probably on a pamphlet and for some reason, I think it was NSW anyway. But figured it was worth a shot

Ta muchly.

[yarracully]

In the three states we show in if I have a new pup I enter them and put pending in where the number goes but I do make sure I have the number on the actual day. We were told years ago that you could enter them this way but if you didn't have the number on the day you couldn't show them. Don't know if this is actually within the rules but thats how we have been doing it and every secretary at the shows we have done it have been ok. At least none of them said anything anyway.

[Ceilidh]

In NSW the rego number MUST be in the catalogue, catalogues are being checked on a regular basis and clubs/cataloguers will get pinged.

In Vic, DogsVic don't mind if the baby doesn't have a number yet as long as it is ok with the show sec and the rego IS pending on MAIN register.

In NSW a MAIN REGISTERED baby puppy can be shown by a non member.

SpikesPuppy, don't keep reading differing opinions here and supposing, RING DOGSVIC, that is the ONLY way you will get the correct answer. But trust me, limited CANNOT be shown, with or without rego numbers.

[Mandalay]

Ceilidh is right....

ALL dogs pending or otherwise , if entering a showring MUST be on MAIN register, why would you put them on Limit then want to show ??

My advice would be register them on Main and if they didn't turn out then have them desexed ..........

I am sure if the people were buying them as Show Puppies and they didn't work out then they themselves could have them desexed and you give them a refund between Pet and show price, if there is one. !!

This is a agreement you will have to have with your buyers

Sorry my last posting I didn't think about you putting them on Limit then wanting to Show them !!

[SpikesPuppy]

In NSW a MAIN REGISTERED baby puppy can be shown by a non member.

This is possibly where I've gotten confused (I knew there was some funny rule, forgive me for not knowing exactly what it was ). Still trying to find the brochure I had though lol. It's more of a mission now than anything (You know when you *Know* you have seen something, but cannot for the life of you remember where? It's one of those things).

Ceilidh is right....

ALL dogs pending or otherwise , if entering a showring MUST be on MAIN register, why would you put them on Limit then want to show ??

My advice would be register them on Main and if they didn't turn out then have them desexed ..........

I am sure if the people were buying them as Show Puppies and they didn't work out then they themselves could have them desexed and you give them a refund between Pet and show price, if there is one. !!

This is a agreement you will have to have with your buyers

Sorry my last posting I didn't think about you putting them on Limit then wanting to Show them !!

Unfortunately, none of my current puppy buyers are interested in showing, however because they would be in baby class at our specialty I was hoping to bump up the entry numbers & revenue if I could (and we often only have 1 or no babies entered so it would be nice to see a full class!!).

But anyway, I have one pup in particular that I really like so am going to talk to his owners and if they agree, will put him on Main at least until our specialty (he is to be desexed between 8-12 months anyway, the later the better for maturity but they don't want an entire adult dog, which is fine!!), if he stays nice I will talk to them about putting him on the Main Neuter. ;)

Ta guys.

[Bohunt]

In NSW a MAIN REGISTERED baby puppy can be shown by a non member.

This is possibly where I've gotten confused (I knew there was some funny rule, forgive me for not knowing exactly what it was ). Still trying to find the brochure I had though lol. It's more of a mission now than anything (You know when you *Know* you have seen something, but cannot for the life of you remember where? It's one of those things).

Ceilidh is right....

ALL dogs pending or otherwise , if entering a showring MUST be on MAIN register, why would you put them on Limit then want to show ??

My advice would be register them on Main and if they didn't turn out then have them desexed ..........

I am sure if the people were buying them as Show Puppies and they didn't work out then they themselves could have them desexed and you give them a refund between Pet and show price, if there is one. !!

This is a agreement you will have to have with your buyers

Sorry my last posting I didn't think about you putting them on Limit then wanting to Show them !!

Unfortunately, none of my current puppy buyers are interested in showing, however because they would be in baby class at our specialty I was hoping to bump up the entry numbers & revenue if I could (and we often only have 1 or no babies entered so it would be nice to see a full class!!).

But anyway, I have one pup in particular that I really like so am going to talk to his owners and if they agree, will put him on Main at least until our specialty (he is to be desexed between 8-12 months anyway, the later the better for maturity but they don't want an entire adult dog, which is fine!!), if he stays nice I will talk to them about putting him on the Main Neuter. ;)

Ta guys.

There will be plenty of babies this year at our speciality. I already know of 5 and Lisa will have one or two from her litter as well. You will have lots of company!

Cheers

Gaela

[SpikesPuppy]

In NSW a MAIN REGISTERED baby puppy can be shown by a non member.

This is possibly where I've gotten confused (I knew there was some funny rule, forgive me for not knowing exactly what it was ). Still trying to find the brochure I had though lol. It's more of a mission now than anything (You know when you *Know* you have seen something, but cannot for the life of you remember where? It's one of those things).

Ceilidh is right....

ALL dogs pending or otherwise , if entering a showring MUST be on MAIN register, why would you put them on Limit then want to show ??

My advice would be register them on Main and if they didn't turn out then have them desexed ..........

I am sure if the people were buying them as Show Puppies and they didn't work out then they themselves could have them desexed and you give them a refund between Pet and show price, if there is one. !!

This is a agreement you will have to have with your buyers

Sorry my last posting I didn't think about you putting them on Limit then wanting to Show them !!

Unfortunately, none of my current puppy buyers are interested in showing, however because they would be in baby class at our specialty I was hoping to bump up the entry numbers & revenue if I could (and we often only have 1 or no babies entered so it would be nice to see a full class!!).

But anyway, I have one pup in particular that I really like so am going to talk to his owners and if they agree, will put him on Main at least until our specialty (he is to be desexed between 8-12 months anyway, the later the better for maturity but they don't want an entire adult dog, which is fine!!), if he stays nice I will talk to them about putting him on the Main Neuter.

Ta guys.

There will be plenty of babies this year at our speciality. I already know of 5 and Lisa will have one or two from her litter as well. You will have lots of company!

Cheers

Gaela

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!! That is very exciting ;) Might be a baby record??