Seita Posted March 5, 2011 Share Posted March 5, 2011 Alright here's a question for the experts! I've got a small issues with our fronts and finishes and want some opinions on how other people fix this. She does them fine when it's the only thing we're working on (ie just doing finishes or short recalls etc or even little retrieves) but as soon as I string everything together for a trial they get sloppy again. So in training she'll do lovely presents when I'm just tossing an article around but in a trial when I send her for scent discrimination she'll come back and sit crooked or a bit further from me then I'd like. And on finishes after pretty much everything she always comes too far around and sits forward and crooked but in training they are dead straight. I don't really want to be giving her a NRM for a sloppy present after she's done a perfect sendaway and directed jump or a great seekback as I don't want to confuse her. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's had this problem so what do other people do to fix this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffy Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Alright here's a question for the experts! I've got a small issues with our fronts and finishes and want some opinions on how other people fix this. She does them fine when it's the only thing we're working on (ie just doing finishes or short recalls etc or even little retrieves) but as soon as I string everything together for a trial they get sloppy again. So in training she'll do lovely presents when I'm just tossing an article around but in a trial when I send her for scent discrimination she'll come back and sit crooked or a bit further from me then I'd like. And on finishes after pretty much everything she always comes too far around and sits forward and crooked but in training they are dead straight. I don't really want to be giving her a NRM for a sloppy present after she's done a perfect sendaway and directed jump or a great seekback as I don't want to confuse her. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's had this problem so what do other people do to fix this? I'd still do them separate in training but do difficult angles for the present and do the finish separate to the present. Sometimes do a front with an article or dumbell or even a toy in the mouth and also do without holding an object. I'd also do a LOT of the dog finding heel position by sending them around the cone or into a tunnel and increasing the difficulty by changing the angle the dog finds heel position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 I do this with Brookie and I'm also teaching it to puppy Zac. Legal reward in the ring that comes in with you...yay! Do you mean body contact games where you push the dog around with your hand??? If so, I would never dream of doing that with Zig as he finds it quite aversive (he's an odd fellow but very interesting!) but Em just goes nuts for it. It's something I do before we start obedience training and also might be a good warm up for agility. I was doing it last night in the UD ring between exercises - pushing Moo away with my leg - and yep he enjoyed the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Alright here's a question for the experts! I've got a small issues with our fronts and finishes and want some opinions on how other people fix this. She does them fine when it's the only thing we're working on (ie just doing finishes or short recalls etc or even little retrieves) but as soon as I string everything together for a trial they get sloppy again. So in training she'll do lovely presents when I'm just tossing an article around but in a trial when I send her for scent discrimination she'll come back and sit crooked or a bit further from me then I'd like. And on finishes after pretty much everything she always comes too far around and sits forward and crooked but in training they are dead straight. I don't really want to be giving her a NRM for a sloppy present after she's done a perfect sendaway and directed jump or a great seekback as I don't want to confuse her. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's had this problem so what do other people do to fix this? Same problem Seita. Would like a dollar for every time an instructor has explained how to fix this! It is just a lack of consistency regardless on how much I work on it. Does your girl rock back as she sits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Sounds like a plan I guess as long as she doesn't do her feral sounding play growling that seems to accompany it I do this with Brookie and I'm also teaching it to puppy Zac. Legal reward in the ring that comes in with you...yay! Do you mean body contact games where you push the dog around with your hand??? If so, I would never dream of doing that with Zig as he finds it quite aversive (he's an odd fellow but very interesting!) but Em just goes nuts for it. It's something I do before we start obedience training and also might be a good warm up for agility. I was doing it last night in the UD ring between exercises - pushing Moo away with my leg - and yep he enjoyed the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 TSD - hmmmm I could put the clip up of Kenz's round from last night. She failed her sit stay but talk about FERAL between exercises . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted March 6, 2011 I saw it. It was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 But feral . Although it was a little tame compared to Kenz's normal between exercises feral . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Did you sit next to the Weim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 (edited) Nope the weim withdrew but we had 2 GSDs to contend with . One broke and that was unfortunately the one that has flown at her previously. It was fine and didn't interfere it just got up and stood. I am pretty sure that wasn't the reason she broke but I can tell you I wasn't amused lining up along side one to have it keep eyeballing her. I didn't feel to happy at all leaving. Not worried she made a total mess of her recall so while the pass would have been nice the score wouldn't have reflected her work so happy enough that it didn't happen. I did ask if the Weim was doing stays when I had finished and intended on withdrawing her if it was. Maybe I should have taken it as a sign and withdrawn anyway LOL. Edited March 6, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 GSD is the breed Poppy is really scared of. Don't really know why unless she is picking it up from me as it was Brock that a GSD tried to kill. I think I would just walk out of the line if I found one on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seita Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Alright here's a question for the experts! I've got a small issues with our fronts and finishes and want some opinions on how other people fix this. She does them fine when it's the only thing we're working on (ie just doing finishes or short recalls etc or even little retrieves) but as soon as I string everything together for a trial they get sloppy again. So in training she'll do lovely presents when I'm just tossing an article around but in a trial when I send her for scent discrimination she'll come back and sit crooked or a bit further from me then I'd like. And on finishes after pretty much everything she always comes too far around and sits forward and crooked but in training they are dead straight. I don't really want to be giving her a NRM for a sloppy present after she's done a perfect sendaway and directed jump or a great seekback as I don't want to confuse her. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's had this problem so what do other people do to fix this? I'd still do them separate in training but do difficult angles for the present and do the finish separate to the present. Sometimes do a front with an article or dumbell or even a toy in the mouth and also do without holding an object. I'd also do a LOT of the dog finding heel position by sending them around the cone or into a tunnel and increasing the difficulty by changing the angle the dog finds heel position. Sending them away and around something is a good idea, I might start throwing that into my training. I always do them separately in training but it's a problem at trials or when I put multiple things together. I'll keep drilling her separately in training and hope it eventually sinks in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 So....what a blessing to have put the time and energy into Em as a baby puppy. She has suddenly realised what she was bred to do and would happily swim to the end of the rainbow, as long as it was for a pot of duckies I gave the dogs an off leash gallop after Em had some retrieving training and had a swim - the little rascal still had energy to burn (and birdies to chase!) She bolted 100m away up the top of the hill in about 5 seconds and I thought I'd put her puppy training to the test. I yelled loudly: "SIT!" and blow me down she spun on her heel, sat beautifully and wagged her tail madly waiting for her next instruction. I was gobsmacked Time I bought a whistle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted March 6, 2011 Share Posted March 6, 2011 Wow good girl Em!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Tips for a broken recall please? I was practicing a recall at the local oval, Ava was distracted so I said her name. She started to come, so I got up, put her back in the sit, walked away and called Come. She just sat there. Now I can't get her to come at all, she thinks I'm trying to trick her :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Tips for a broken recall please? :D I was practicing a recall at the local oval, Ava was distracted so I said her name. She started to come, so I got up, put her back in the sit, walked away and called Come. She just sat there. Now I can't get her to come at all, she thinks I'm trying to trick her :D Firstly, grab a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head What I would do is get a helper and do a restrained recall. The helper must be someone you and the dog trusts and who has good timing. Get them to kneel down and gently hold the dog. With my pup, I had someone just hold her around her chest but I'm not sure how big/strong your dog is??? You can slip your fingers through the collar but it needs to be done at a particular angle so that if the dog pulls away, no fingers get broken!!! Get a toy or similar and run away from the dog all excited and call your dog. As soon as the dog starts to strain against the helper they release the dog, who should come sprinting at you at top speed - reward! It's actually a slightly more complicated exercise than I've described as it requires sensitivity and timing on the part of the helper - enlist an experienced person if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Wow good girl Em!! Thanks RS. Once is a fluke I guess, but I'm still delighted with her! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Tips for a broken recall please? :D I was practicing a recall at the local oval, Ava was distracted so I said her name. She started to come, so I got up, put her back in the sit, walked away and called Come. She just sat there. Now I can't get her to come at all, she thinks I'm trying to trick her :D Firstly, grab a rolled up newspaper and hit yourself over the head What I would do is get a helper and do a restrained recall. The helper must be someone you and the dog trusts and who has good timing. Get them to kneel down and gently hold the dog. With my pup, I had someone just hold her around her chest but I'm not sure how big/strong your dog is??? You can slip your fingers through the collar but it needs to be done at a particular angle so that if the dog pulls away, no fingers get broken!!! Get a toy or similar and run away from the dog all excited and call your dog. As soon as the dog starts to strain against the helper they release the dog, who should come sprinting at you at top speed - reward! It's actually a slightly more complicated exercise than I've described as it requires sensitivity and timing on the part of the helper - enlist an experienced person if you can. HAHA I know. Bad trainer! Sometimes it sucks having a dog smarter than you I'll enlist OH to do some restrained recalls tomorrow. I think it is the stay that is throwing her off -- she seems to be ok as long as I don't put her in a stay beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Maybe play some 2 food game as well and not ask for a formal wait. So throw a bit of food away to get her to move away then call her back. The other thing I have done is set the dog in a wait release them and then take off running in the other direction. Restrained recalls would be my other suggestion but thats just a couple of other ideas that might help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Tips for a broken recall please? I was practicing a recall at the local oval, Ava was distracted so I said her name. She started to come, so I got up, put her back in the sit, walked away and called Come. She just sat there. Now I can't get her to come at all, she thinks I'm trying to trick her :D Jump up and down like a nutter calling her name. If she looks like getting up use your marker word very excitedly!! My training question :D Am playing with positions in motion. I can do drop and stand fairly smoothly but have trouble with my feet in the sit. I can't work out how not to come to a stop?? Ok 2 questions Does anyone else teach sending to the box with a target? If you do how do you go from the nose touch to the sit. It feels messy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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