Training Talk Thread

[TerraNik]

For the past few weeks I've been retraining Jedi's heel position... I don't know whether he was overflowing with energy now that his allergies mostly aren't an issue anymore on his current treatment, or whether I've just been slack with training... Probably a combination of things!

But this morning I finally got a session out of him with absolutely NO forging! We still have a fair way to go to make sure he doesn't go back to his old habits but at least we are getting there!

[ness]

well done Jedi and TerraNik. I am looking forward to slightly warmer weather to hopefully sort my forging problem out .

[TerraNik]

well done Jedi and TerraNik. I am looking forward to slightly warmer weather to hopefully sort my forging problem out .

Yeah that would work on him too! Though I think it would work so well I'd leave him at the start peg

[ness]

Awww poor Jedi - nah don't think it would work that well on Kenz .

[JulesP]

Forging hmmmmm. I am having stacks of trouble getting Poppy in just the right place. She is forging so I work on that and she ends up wide and lagging and flat. I work on that and we have forging, bouncing and a tad too much enthusiasm. rinse repeat. I am obviously not being sensitive enough in my adjustments. Border collies! soooo easy to train! hummfff!

[ness]

I don't tend to get wide or lagging but crabbing is more Kenz's preferred style. Urgh its ugly .

[JulesP]

Yeah the forging usually involves crabbing. Or to be more accurate wrapping oneself around Mummy's leg whilst staring adoringly up at her face. Which is cool unless I went to go left

[ness]

Quick question before I go and have a look in the rule book - does anybody know if you may use your dogs name before giving a command in the novice COP drop exercise. I wouldn't normally do so but did at training the other night because the dog was looking elsewhere and I wondered if this is permissible at a trial.

[pie]

ETA2: Have to admit I'm really starting to enjoy this obedience thing!

YOU can be just like me at agility presentations when they all say go the obedience dog - we can then say....go the agility dog

She'll be an obedience dog before she's an agility dog at the rate she's going There are more obedience things that can be trained in the lounge room

Well I started doing the kick back stand which she was cottoning on to. Still a bit confused as to why it's beneficial though - aren't they essentially walking into a stand during heelwork? Or am I missing something? COP perhaps? Need to watch some more trials. The thing that is annoying me is she sits back onto her back legs and her front feet move backwards a bit - is this a problem? Of course the non obedience dog does a lovely little sit where his front feet stay perfectly still and his little bum just tucks in underneath him neatly.

Also did some perch work / pivot work / elephant trick stuff. Had tried it a few months ago with a book and had given up because she just would not keep both feet on it. Tried it last night with a little square paver and she was keeping both feet on after an initial lure onto it got her going both ways, needs a fair bit of refinement though.

[RubyStar]

Quick question before I go and have a look in the rule book - does anybody know if you may use your dogs name before giving a command in the novice COP drop exercise. I wouldn't normally do so but did at training the other night because the dog was looking elsewhere and I wondered if this is permissible at a trial.

I don't believe you can.

[ness]

Nah you can't and apparently there is no real logical reason .

[RubyStar]

Nah you can't and apparently there is no real logical reason .

My guess is as it is a follow through exercise to the signals one in UD where you obviously can't use their name there, so the dog should be getting used to paying attention to its handler right from the start

[ness]

Although hang on RS - how is it any different to the recall in which you can use the dogs name . But nah I ended up posting on Ozobedience and I think the logic was that it was just sort of overlooked and maybe should be suggested for the next rule change .

[RubyStar]

Although hang on RS - how is it any different to the recall in which you can use the dogs name . But nah I ended up posting on Ozobedience and I think the logic was that it was just sort of overlooked and maybe should be suggested for the next rule change .

It's different than the recall because UD does not have one I'm not saying it's the answer, I am saying that is my own personal logic involved in why I think you can't use their name prior in the Novice COP and Open Distance Control

[ness]

UD as a recall in the COP signals bit at the end - how is it any different . The other logic is that in Novice they are only baby green dogs and doesn't take much for them to get momentarily distracted when you leave them so it should be allowed. Just have to remember to suggest it at the next rule change . 99.9% of the time it won't be an issue but its just the 0.1% of time it would be nice to be able to use there name .

[RallyValley]

I was feeling really unenthused about obedience and after having a serious think about it I think that the idea of group stays with my boys just freaks me out too much and I would hate for them to ruin obedience for someone else. But realistacally for Toby and for Lincoln where he is right now (age and/or neuting may change this) I am not totally confident that should a dog come and stand over my dog in a group down and stand over him that they wouldn't growl or posture and I don't want to put the onus of not reacting back on some strangers dog.

Plus having that in my brain would freak me out and the dogs would know it. Still I am going to stick around this thread because I am training for rally-O and will definetly try and teach my boy's dumbell retrieves and scent discrimination. Basically one day i will have dogs that could do a UD round, but without the stays.

EFS

Edited October 28, 2010 by valleyCBR

[Ptolomy]

I was feeling really unenthused about obedience and after having a serious think about it I think that the idea of group stays with my boys just freaks me out too much and I would hate for them to ruin obedience for someone else. But realistacally for Toby and for Lincoln where he is right now (age and/or neuting may change this) I am not totally confident that should a dog come and stand over my dog in a group down and stand over him that they wouldn't growl or posture and I don't want to put the onus of not reacting back on some strangers dog.

Plus having that in my brain would freak me out and the dogs would know it. Still I am going to stick around this thread because I am training for rally-O and will definetly try and teach my boy's dumbell retrieves and scent discrimination. Basically one day i will have dogs that could do a UD round, but without the stays.

EFS

Maybe one day you can enter Lexi in open nfc or UD nfc and you can see how it feels :-)

[RallyValley]

I was feeling really unenthused about obedience and after having a serious think about it I think that the idea of group stays with my boys just freaks me out too much and I would hate for them to ruin obedience for someone else. But realistacally for Toby and for Lincoln where he is right now (age and/or neuting may change this) I am not totally confident that should a dog come and stand over my dog in a group down and stand over him that they wouldn't growl or posture and I don't want to put the onus of not reacting back on some strangers dog.

Plus having that in my brain would freak me out and the dogs would know it. Still I am going to stick around this thread because I am training for rally-O and will definetly try and teach my boy's dumbell retrieves and scent discrimination. Basically one day i will have dogs that could do a UD round, but without the stays.

EFS

Maybe one day you can enter Lexi in open nfc or UD nfc and you can see how it feels :-)

Awww I am so going to take you up on that one day I don't know when you are back but if it's not by this Monday I am going to miss playing with the red kids.

[RubyStar]

UD as a recall in the COP signals bit at the end - how is it any different . The other logic is that in Novice they are only baby green dogs and doesn't take much for them to get momentarily distracted when you leave them so it should be allowed. Just have to remember to suggest it at the next rule change . 99.9% of the time it won't be an issue but its just the 0.1% of time it would be nice to be able to use there name .

The signals in Open are the same, except the voice part of course. There is a recall portion in both, but it is preceded by other signals and you can't say the dog's name prior to each position, so sorry, I still don't see how it relates to a recall

Hey I'm all for using the dog's name, my dogs look away as well I'm just saying is all

Edited October 28, 2010 by RubyStar

[Tiggy]

I was feeling really unenthused about obedience and after having a serious think about it I think that the idea of group stays with my boys just freaks me out too much and I would hate for them to ruin obedience for someone else. But realistacally for Toby and for Lincoln where he is right now (age and/or neuting may change this) I am not totally confident that should a dog come and stand over my dog in a group down and stand over him that they wouldn't growl or posture and I don't want to put the onus of not reacting back on some strangers dog.

Plus having that in my brain would freak me out and the dogs would know it. Still I am going to stick around this thread because I am training for rally-O and will definetly try and teach my boy's dumbell retrieves and scent discrimination. Basically one day i will have dogs that could do a UD round, but without the stays.

EFS

Lets put forward the motion to get rid of the group stays in the next rule changes

I'm nervous about stays to