RubyStar Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I vote for stays with a dinner bowl in front of them. Sure there might be excessive drool, but the stays will be close to rock solid!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Not sure if there is any benefit to repeating the command or not as I walk away. I'm guessing that would depend on how good her understanding is of the first command given. With enough practice, I think the first command should be enough. But for a baby dog, I would repeat it if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Hey Guys, I thought I'd share some videos from the State Trials this weekend so you can see how horrible the weather was! I don't have any video of Dante, but here's some of Pax's Prix doing his thing in the rain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5Buf9rkxs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 Hey Guys,I thought I'd share some videos from the State Trials this weekend so you can see how horrible the weather was! I don't have any video of Dante, but here's some of Pax's Prix doing his thing in the rain. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5Buf9rkxs nice dog, horrible weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Being a very good boy but bombing the COP:(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 Being a very good boy but bombing the COP:(( He looked lovely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 (edited) This is my new agility/obedience star in the making . She hasn't got a name yet . She's got a name - introducing 'Yoshimi' . Edited October 5, 2010 by Tiggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Very cute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 (edited) Tiggy are you getting a Warley baby??? Fantastic news!! She is just beautiful. I can't wait to hear all about her and follow your training journey. Pax I love seeing Prix work, he is just beautiful to watch. Edited October 5, 2010 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Thanks Huski:)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 (edited) I trained one position in stay at a time. I also work on only one component at a time, eg either time or distance (inc out of sight) but not both at once. I also like to vary the context as much as possible but in front of the dinner bowl seems to have the most beneficial impact on other stays. We're getting a little confused at dinner time and I try using the word "chill" instead of "Stay" because I don't care if she sits or lies down as long as she remains in the same spot that I put her, like Susan Garrett has for when her dogs are in their crates. As long as they remain inside the crate, they can do what they like in there. Well, ideally, they do it quietly, not barking their heads off. Ian Dunbar is all for repeating commands as needed. Lesley Nelson says say the command only once. So I think if the dog was parked and not looking like moving, I wouldn't repeat or add a command. When we're working on Stay in front of the dinner bowl, if she changes position before I release her, I put her back in position either by signal, command or luring, and make her wait some more. Doing this consistently has gotten me some good stays. But the trick is regular practice. As for lengths, I think for trial, I'd practice a longer stay than needed. I'd like to be able to get a nice calm stay for as long as I want eg while I help set up agility course etc. We had one dog that would stay while we went up and down the street doing the shopping and banking. She would stay for hours, as if the boss was in the pub, having some beers with his mates. But I'd also vary the time - short and long and medium, so the dog had no particular expectation about how long a stay is supposed to be. This mornings effort at training was tragic. We did lovely off lead heel work out on the race course, and came back into the dog club area and put the lead back on and she's off with the possum poo. There was possum poo out on the race course too. And bugs. Lots of flies etc. And she was stuck to my leg. But come back in for formal on lead heelwork - hello - what strange dog is this? And did a nice couple of agility runs but refused - for some reason to do the last jump. Went under it. Any tips for keeping her nose off the ground? So far, continuous treat feeding seems to be the only thing that works - and then she fills up and loses interest in the treats!!! You think she was a beagle not an ACDx. Edited October 5, 2010 by Mrs Rusty Bucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 Tiggy are you getting a Warley baby??? Fantastic news!! She is just beautiful. I can't wait to hear all about her and follow your training journey.Pax I love seeing Prix work, he is just beautiful to watch. Yep Warley baby, how lucky am I . Have you seen her sire Tonka? He's in Queensland, he trials in UD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The command matters not!!! Dogs don't speak English so what matters is how you train it and what you reward. The command to 'stay' is probably superfluous but I still use it The concept for the dog should be to maintain position. We work them at the same time, in theory Stay is stay regardless of position right? And that is the problem with a lot of dogs. They think I'm not breaking my stay if I lie down, I'm still staying! My next dog I think I will teach maintaining a position, not maintaining a stay. Much like ness is doing with Kenzie, if she says sit, it means sit there until released. Not sure how I'll go with that though, hard to break old habits using stay commands I have done a bit with Ruby already, and she is getting the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Shame about the COP very nice work otherwise Thats one drowned rat handler though!!!! Being a very good boy but bombing the COP:(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Shame about the COP very nice work otherwise Thats one drowned rat handler though!!!! Being a very good boy but bombing the COP:(( Lol, thanks Deb. and yes I was drowned, was quite upset as I made the effort to straighten my hair.....lol. Have to feel bad for the the judge, at least I got to change clothes and shoes:)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAX Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 I was blown away with Bedazzled and Plotomys stays at the Royal, those dogs just sat in the benches with no restraints all day. was awesome. Lets me know where my training needs to improve:)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff'n'Toller Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 The command matters not!!! Dogs don't speak English so what matters is how you train it and what you reward. The command to 'stay' is probably superfluous but I still use it The concept for the dog should be to maintain position. We work them at the same time, in theory Stay is stay regardless of position right? And that is the problem with a lot of dogs. They think I'm not breaking my stay if I lie down, I'm still staying! My next dog I think I will teach maintaining a position, not maintaining a stay. Much like ness is doing with Kenzie, if she says sit, it means sit there until released. Not sure how I'll go with that though, hard to break old habits using stay commands I have done a bit with Ruby already, and she is getting the idea. Correct, we actually decided to remove it from the syllabus in a private club I was working at, all the trainers dogs were adults at the time and didn't really have a problem with it as their release command knowledge was crystal clear prior to this anyway. I have a hard time now that I run my own classes, people want to use it and I explain the stay command is for YOU - if the dog knows it's job it doesn't really need it - some clients look a bit bewildered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Being a very good boy but bombing the COP:(( Your dog is lovely!! Bummer about the COP, but I'd be pleased with what I saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Yes I know, I could train a stay using the word "cheezels", it wouldn't matter I think we are saying the same thing though The command matters not!!! Dogs don't speak English so what matters is how you train it and what you reward. The command to 'stay' is probably superfluous but I still use it :D The concept for the dog should be to maintain position. We work them at the same time, in theory Stay is stay regardless of position right? And that is the problem with a lot of dogs. They think I'm not breaking my stay if I lie down, I'm still staying! My next dog I think I will teach maintaining a position, not maintaining a stay. Much like ness is doing with Kenzie, if she says sit, it means sit there until released. Not sure how I'll go with that though, hard to break old habits using stay commands I have done a bit with Ruby already, and she is getting the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Yep! probably!!! Yes I know, I could train a stay using the word "cheezels", it wouldn't matter I think we are saying the same thing though :D The command matters not!!! Dogs don't speak English so what matters is how you train it and what you reward. The command to 'stay' is probably superfluous but I still use it :D The concept for the dog should be to maintain position. We work them at the same time, in theory Stay is stay regardless of position right? And that is the problem with a lot of dogs. They think I'm not breaking my stay if I lie down, I'm still staying! My next dog I think I will teach maintaining a position, not maintaining a stay. Much like ness is doing with Kenzie, if she says sit, it means sit there until released. Not sure how I'll go with that though, hard to break old habits using stay commands I have done a bit with Ruby already, and she is getting the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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