Tiggy Posted July 27, 2010 Author Share Posted July 27, 2010 On the train on my way home from work to take Lincoln out for his last walk with me before he flies out. On a more training related note Eden Hill has thier first rally class Thursday and me and Toby will be going! So excited to get Toby into obidience, might make him appreciate agility more (ducks for cover since I know this is the obidience thread) Yay I wasn't sure if it was going to be on this Thursday . Do you know if it starts at 7pm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Ok guys we had a pretty average UD session tonight and I am going to have to do some serious repair work - where the hell do you start. Do you pick an exercise and go back to scratch or what. I don't get it since a fortnight ago she did a lightening round and didn't put a paw out of place. Any UD gurus got some words of wisdom for me. We did get a lovely directed retrieve out of the night though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Strauss and his first downs - its a work in progress and a long way between this and a CCD round Thanks to Zoe for coming along to play with the boy today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 I thought he looked just about ready to enter CCD at the Royal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 I thought he looked just about ready to enter CCD at the Royal Yeah I think he'd win on cuteness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranVT Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Last night's training was pretty good again, it was weird, all the bitches were intensely interested in sniffing the ground last night But apart from that it was fine, we have lots of work still to do on stand. I find it confusing that I'm supposed to use my right hand for the stand command. I'm so unco, sigh. The aggressive dog from last week was there again, of course I totally commend the lady for bringing her back, but she is a large and heavily muscled dog and this lady is small and at least 55 or 60 years old, she is not capable of controlling the dog. She was wearing a red bandana so everyone gave her a lot of room, but even then, at at least 3 points during the 1 hour lesson this dog lunged and tried to get at another dog (other bitches usually) and the lady had to literally throw herself on the ground to get enough leverage to hold the dog back. At the end of the lesson, she and the trainer had a long talk, and I sincerely hope the trainer was following club rules and telling her that she needs to seek professional assistance for the dog. The dog is clearly fairly frightened and so is the owner, the owner has no confidence or assertion, so this dog is clearly of the belief that it has to protect the owner at all times. It's really very sad but it is definitely getting worse. The trainer asked Luuka and I to walk in a wide circle around her and I said I would but only if I could stay between the two dogs. I kept my actions, demeanor and voice as calm and soothing as possible (talking to Luuka and keeping her close by me) and the other dog didn't react but was watching warily. All the other dogs are great but some of the owners, gahhhhh, so annoying! On a lighter note, the lady with the terrified dog from last week was back and doing heaps better! Neither she nor the dog was at all frightened and it was great to see such an awesome turnaround in attitude I got asked to table-write at some trials this weekend which I am really looking forward to! Such a great way to learn how it all works! I'm going to take my camera too for when I'm not busy frantically scribbling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Strauss and his first downs - its a work in progress and a long way between this and a CCD round Thanks to Zoe for coming along to play with the boy today Not a long way between that and the show ring, he was moving into 4square really easily and the little bit of trotting he did looked great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Last night's training was pretty good again, it was weird, all the bitches were intensely interested in sniffing the ground last night But apart from that it was fine, we have lots of work still to do on stand. I find it confusing that I'm supposed to use my right hand for the stand command. I'm so unco, sigh. You can use whatever hand you feel comfortable with, Fran... Don't let the trainer dictate what your cues are going to be. You need to be happy with them. I think most people use their left hand for stand (including myself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranVT Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Oh good, I thought that there was a dictated hand you had to use for trials. I will use my left hand I think, it feels more natural. TN in one of your training videos you had Jedi doing left turns and right turns. Apart from watching you carefully, how does he know which way to turn? Is it a hand or verbal cue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskedaway Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 At training on Sunday, we got told to make our dogs drop, but they had to drop without sitting first. Akira is always sitting before I make her drop, and so she wouldn't drop at all on Sunday - she just got all excited and started nosing and pawing my hand because it had food in it. Does anyone have any tips on how to teach her to drop from a stand? Everything I've found so far has them sitting first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Oh good, I thought that there was a dictated hand you had to use for trials. I will use my left hand I think, it feels more natural. TN in one of your training videos you had Jedi doing left turns and right turns. Apart from watching you carefully, how does he know which way to turn? Is it a hand or verbal cue? Nope - there's no set signal for anything, but there certainly are common signals. With turns the dog knows how to maintain heel position based on your body language and footwork. The only cues you can use in heelwork is "heel" (when stepping off from a stationery position only), "down/drop" and "stand". Everything else is automatic and you can't talk to your dog aside from those cues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Snap! I just started to write exactly this and for once I checked first!!!! I too use my left hand as it doesn't cause a twist of the body as using the right does, its more visable to the dog and its not confusing with the down signal which is my right hand. Last night's training was pretty good again, it was weird, all the bitches were intensely interested in sniffing the ground last night But apart from that it was fine, we have lots of work still to do on stand. I find it confusing that I'm supposed to use my right hand for the stand command. I'm so unco, sigh. You can use whatever hand you feel comfortable with, Fran... Don't let the trainer dictate what your cues are going to be. You need to be happy with them. I think most people use their left hand for stand (including myself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 There can be a few issues with teaching a down from a sit when you progress to trialling. I like to teach a fold back down so that he is never coming forward in signals or drop on recall. You can start by luring it from a stand with a piece of food in your closed fist. Bring your hand close to his chest and down to the ground. Wait him out...he should start to drop his front end slightly to get the food. As his elbows go down, mark (click or "Yes") and open your hand still on the ground for his treat. As he gets the idea you withhold your click until the back end goes down. Make sure you do it from both front and side and you fade out the lure as soon as he gets the idea. Keep marking and rewarding it and move quickly to the stage when you can stand upright and give the signal, click and reward. When you reward make sure you place the food low so he can get it without standing up again. At training on Sunday, we got told to make our dogs drop, but they had to drop without sitting first. Akira is always sitting before I make her drop, and so she wouldn't drop at all on Sunday - she just got all excited and started nosing and pawing my hand because it had food in it. Does anyone have any tips on how to teach her to drop from a stand? Everything I've found so far has them sitting first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Oh good, I thought that there was a dictated hand you had to use for trials. I will use my left hand I think, it feels more natural. TN in one of your training videos you had Jedi doing left turns and right turns. Apart from watching you carefully, how does he know which way to turn? Is it a hand or verbal cue? Nope - there's no set signal for anything, but there certainly are common signals. With turns the dog knows how to maintain heel position based on your body language and footwork. The only cues you can use in heelwork is "heel" (when stepping off from a stationery position only), "down/drop" and "stand". Everything else is automatic and you can't talk to your dog aside from those cues. Was just about to post the same thing! Have you done much backend awareness training with Luuka, Fran? I wish it was one of the first things I'd trained, we had terrible turns until I taught Daisy how to move her backend and now turns are so much easier and look heaps better too! I agree with others about the stand command - I use my left hand. Ptolomy Strauss is just gorgeous!! He looks so confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranVT Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I am pretty sad, Luuka has come into her first season so looks like we'll miss the rest of the obedience course :D I have to keep her isolated for 3 weeks right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I am pretty sad, Luuka has come into her first season so looks like we'll miss the rest of the obedience course :D I have to keep her isolated for 3 weeks right? Awww bugger! I keep Soaks isolated for 3 weeks and am very careful in the 4th week (no off-lead) just to be sure. You can still do stuff at home in your backyard or inside... There's lots of things you can practice like stays, fronts, change of position, scent work etc that don't require much room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranVT Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I might even go to training each night anyway without her so I can see what they are doing and get the paperwork to read at home. I really want to do all the basework right so we can trial early next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 So he focus is on obidience for me and Toby for the moment. I was going to do some rear end awareness and lateral awareness exercised from an agility book, do you think these will benefit obidience or do they have thier own rear end awareness exercises? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I might even go to training each night anyway without her so I can see what they are doing and get the paperwork to read at home. I really want to do all the basework right so we can trial early next year. Sounds like a very good idea!! Otherwise I'm sure some of us could set you some 'homework'! You just need to start putting some videos up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted July 29, 2010 Share Posted July 29, 2010 I might even go to training each night anyway without her so I can see what they are doing and get the paperwork to read at home. I really want to do all the basework right so we can trial early next year. Sounds like a very good idea!! Otherwise I'm sure some of us could set you some 'homework'! You just need to start putting some videos up! What Nik said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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