Natsu chan Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Ness if you can find someone who's good at bowen it's worth a try given what you've said. Mind you the physio sounds like it's doing the same thing. It needs to be regular and it won't cure the problem itself but it gives the body a chance to heal without constantly dealing with further issues. Koori had swelling and fluid around the tears for around 6-7 months too . It's been 9 months now and we are finally seeing significant improvement and it wasn't a slow thing either. The last three months she was holding her soundness slightly longer each time but only marginally then the last treatment we had about 10 days ago has capped it and suddenly she's almost normal, just a tiny bit off after excessively boisterous exercise. I guess what I'm saying is hang in there, it's very difficult. I had people pressuring me for months, but she's so much better now that the criticismim has stopped. The other thing we tried was red light acupuncture which helped with the fluid and swelling which seems to be why they get so sore. Hang in there it takes time and a lot of patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 I think you mentioned a steroid injection at one stage? Did she have that? The reason I ask is that my Mum had a terrible shoulder problem that involved the tendon at one stage that wouldn't heal despite physio etc. She was told she could have a maximum of two steroid injections...if the first one didn't work they would do another but no more. Fortunately it did work and she hasn't had a problem since. She waited for a long time in pain before finally relenting and she now says it was the best thing she did. Have tried physio and acupuncture. No joint damage picked up on the xray (checked shoulders/elbows/paws) - a little degenerative change in her elbow on that side but not significant enough according to the specialist that it should be whats causing the lameness wear and tear more then anything (and she is on course of cartrophen injections anyway). Ultrasound did show some evidence to suggest a chronic healing lesion and more fluid around the right shoulder in comparison to the left. Got to love spending lots of money to be told we really aren't any closer to knowing what it is but its not xyz . I certainly agree crating a BC for 6-8 weeks is not practical. She is lucky I am home with her at the moment so for the most part she sleeps on the dog beds underneath my computer desk but mornings and late afternoon are the worst as she just wants to do stuff. She certainly isn't a couch potato BC. She has been gradually getting more stir crazy as time goes on. Physio treated trigger points in both front shoulders and her back on Monday - she was a bit of a mess . And the really hard part is we are now entering month 6 and still not really any the wiser - well ok we know a little about what its not just nothing about what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) Steroid injection is the possibly the next step if resting her for 3 weeks doesn't work. It seems to a few disadvantages especially if the dog happens to do to much because it weakens the tendon. The specialist didn't think it was worth doing as a matter of course with Kenz because her pain response was only mild and its still a little inconclusive as to what is going on. So the plan was to leave her 3 weeks and then reintroduce exercise and see what happens effectively and if she is still bad take her back. Edited June 1, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathq Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Have you tried Comfrey ointment? Pip tore the ligaments in her shoulder about 3 years ago - we did everything the vets/physio told us including 6 weeks in a figure of eight bandage to prevent movement of the joint and then a further 2 or 3 weeks crate rest on top of that. All of which was not fun in a young active GSP! Left her with a permanent limp About 12 months ago found a brilliant chiro/manipulator who over a period of 4 months gave me back my happy girl.. :D Using a combination of laser acupuncture, magnetic mats, controlled exercise and massage the change has been outstanding. The comfrey although good for broken bones is also great on muscles and ligaments and we used it in the last three weeks of treatment. She will still come up a little proppy if I do an agility run through with her but only I can pick it up, she can do Open obedience work no problems and this worked at least 2 years after the injury. So see if you can find a good greyhound chiro/manipulator they are worth their weight in gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 that is where we started - we have a good chiro vet that I have been using for years. He is the only one of the three that we have seen that thinks crate rest is a waste of time and that it can actually do more harm then good. I wasn't sure if that was just a cop out on my part though because both the specialist and the physio said crate rest. So the compromise was I thought I would follow through with the 3 weeks crate rest that the specialist suggested and then decide what to do. Still just as confused as ever and its been a very trying day with Kenz being thoroughly fed up with resting . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathq Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 My guy was sure the crate rest was the worst thing we did for her!! And the outcome has been so much better with him than the vets so if we were ever in the same situation I know I'd be seeing him and going with what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Another question from me... am I annoying anyone yet? We have a club assessment tonight and I will be doing a Novice run through with Ava. I am pretty sure that she has worked out from our CCD trials that she's not getting treats in that environment, so I was wondering if it would be useful for me to actually reward her for good work to keep her keen. I was thinking of a bit of a release and jackpot in the middle of heelwork (of course I will get the ok from the judge/assessor beforehand) and perhaps one other time if she is working well. What is your opinion? Edited to add: My club doesn't currently run mock trials so this is really the only opportunity I get to practice in a trial type environment without it being official Our first CCD trial really was our first time in anything similar to a ring :p Edited June 2, 2011 by wuffles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Another question from me... am I annoying anyone yet? We have a club assessment tonight and I will be doing a Novice run through with Ava. I am pretty sure that she has worked out from our CCD trials that she's not getting treats in that environment, so I was wondering if it would be useful for me to actually reward her for good work to keep her keen. I was thinking of a bit of a release and jackpot in the middle of heelwork (of course I will get the ok from the judge/assessor beforehand) and perhaps one other time if she is working well. What is your opinion? Edited to add: My club doesn't currently run mock trials so this is really the only opportunity I get to practice in a trial type environment without it being official Our first CCD trial really was our first time in anything similar to a ring :p I certainly would take the opportunity to jackpot some heelwork. Have a treat in a container in your pocket. Remember not to let the dog see you load your pocket with treats before you go in and if she is working particularly nicely - then fire away and jackpot it. The look on her face should be priceless . Have fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Another question from me... am I annoying anyone yet? We have a club assessment tonight and I will be doing a Novice run through with Ava. I am pretty sure that she has worked out from our CCD trials that she's not getting treats in that environment, so I was wondering if it would be useful for me to actually reward her for good work to keep her keen. I was thinking of a bit of a release and jackpot in the middle of heelwork (of course I will get the ok from the judge/assessor beforehand) and perhaps one other time if she is working well. What is your opinion? Edited to add: My club doesn't currently run mock trials so this is really the only opportunity I get to practice in a trial type environment without it being official Our first CCD trial really was our first time in anything similar to a ring :p I would definitely do this. I am lucky in that I can get weekly ring work if I want and I shovel treats in. I want the dogs to have high value for going in the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Thanks guys... you have confirmed what I thought Now just to hope she actually does do nice work that I can reward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 We did well at the club assessment Had some minor issues with the heelwork but they were my problem rather than hers - her focus was lovely and as that is usually our biggest issue I gave her a nice jackpot at the end of the heel pattern which made her very happy!! She would have scored full points in all the other exercises. I am quite happy :D The lady who judged us said that she was crowding a bit, but I confirmed with other people afterwards that it wasn't an issue. She heels close but doesn't touch me Anyway, she was heeling exactly how I wanted her to so that's what matters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 We did well at the club assessment Had some minor issues with the heelwork but they were my problem rather than hers - her focus was lovely and as that is usually our biggest issue I gave her a nice jackpot at the end of the heel pattern which made her very happy!! She would have scored full points in all the other exercises. I am quite happy :D The lady who judged us said that she was crowding a bit, but I confirmed with other people afterwards that it wasn't an issue. She heels close but doesn't touch me Anyway, she was heeling exactly how I wanted her to so that's what matters well done wuffles So when is your next real trial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 We did well at the club assessment Had some minor issues with the heelwork but they were my problem rather than hers - her focus was lovely and as that is usually our biggest issue I gave her a nice jackpot at the end of the heel pattern which made her very happy!! She would have scored full points in all the other exercises. I am quite happy :D The lady who judged us said that she was crowding a bit, but I confirmed with other people afterwards that it wasn't an issue. She heels close but doesn't touch me Anyway, she was heeling exactly how I wanted her to so that's what matters well done wuffles So when is your next real trial? 25th Trials are pretty sparse in Canberra at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 How does everyone else calm their nerves before a trial? We've got our 2nd trial tomorrow, and I tend to get a little flustered at the start. Any tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffy Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 How does everyone else calm their nerves before a trial? We've got our 2nd trial tomorrow, and I tend to get a little flustered at the start. Any tips? I couple of very deep breaths :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I stood at the start peg and thought about the people on this thread :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Nik just think regardless of what happens you still take the best dog home with you when you finish and just take it as it comes. Its all suppose to be fun, the dog is trained, a trial is just about you going out and enjoying your dog - no sheep stations involved - so whats there to get nervous about. Take every opportunity as it comes and cherish and enjoy it because you never know when you may no longer be able to. So go out and give it your best shot and best of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I stood at the start peg and thought about the people on this thread :D Hope you weren't picturing us all in our underwear! Take every opportunity as it comes and cherish and enjoy it because you never know when you may no longer be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Breathe. Smile. Admire the beautiful dogs trialling around me. Admire my own (quite perfect) dog. Remind myself that he needs my support and that we are a team. And then remember that it's all a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Thanks!! I'll go in with a big grin imagining you all in your undies I was ok last time, but I wasn't expecting to pass- I was doing it to get a feel of the trial environment. This time we're much better though, so I have higher hopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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