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Yesterday Zac (14 week old puppy) counter surfed my airing scent articles...selected a metal and carried it up two flights of stairs and took it to his bed!!! No mouthing at all :)

:):):) I can see people have kittens over the fact that

1. he countersurfed

2. he took something

but not us - woo Hooooooooo :)

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:) that sounds like Kenz at 12 weeks who got into my training bag and promptly emerged with a seekback article which I took off her (after I rewarded her of course), she then disappeared only to remerge about 5 minutes later with a utility glove. Hmmm we never had metal pinching though I only wish we did.

On a funny pinching story - I remember when Sue H came over for the workshop and she was staying at my place and Ness kept disappearing into the room Sue was staying in and emerging with training toys out of Sue's bag. This was my dog that never did toys hahahaha.

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I think with mine the issue is always that they are just too damn polite to take something directly from me. They take food obviously (very nicely too) but any object that I offer is a no no. Even a fav toy. I am sure it has something to do with how they herd. They are all very strong holding dogs, they hold the stock until I come and get them. Is that what they are thinking with toys/dumbells? "Mummy has the object so my job is done". I wish they could just tell me what they are thinking :)

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Ooooh I should say we didn't get out for a walk first thing this morning as we had to wait for the air con service guy to arrive so I decided we would work on some metal retrieving in the backyard and Kenz was finally deciding it wasn't quite so evil as it has been.

Slow progress but we will get there.

Speaking of herding - booked Kenz into a herding clinic in about a month wahoo can't wait she loves her herding.

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When Bedazzled and I go away - we sometimes (OK often) sit and have a drink after dinner and Scoota will start bringing me things - usually out of Bedazzled's suitcase :)

I take the article and reward both him and Brooklyn and you see the look on his face - ok I will go and get something else and so when have named the resulting pile of stuff Mount Scoota. Brooklyn usually has no idea what is happening but he just sticks close to his mate and happily takes the rewards :)

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Yesterday Zac (14 week old puppy) counter surfed my airing scent articles...selected a metal and carried it up two flights of stairs and took it to his bed!!! No mouthing at all :)

Excellent, you are part of the way there if he happily picks up the metal articles.

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I had problems with Struass holding - he would happily run around with a toy in his mouth but would drop it like a hot potato if I went anywhere near him. Throwing something for him he would run out to it and may or may not have picked it up. I decided to give Shirley's method a go and we got to the point where I could hold the BD and he would put his mouth on it, or touch it with his mouth/teeth and I would C/T but there we stalled. I kept trying for a few weeks but felt nothing I did helped me move forward (sounds a similar point at where you are at Seita).

So I went to see Sue H and asked for help. She sat in a chair with a truck load of treats and in less than 2 minutes had him taking the db and holding it. So in 2 minutes she had achieved what I hadn't in weeks. From then on ever time I brought the db out he would get so excited and I never had any problems with him bringing me and holding things again. In fact his latest love is books, encyclopedias, dictionaries, you name it, if you leave it laying around he will find it and bring it to me - not always with the cover intact!!!

Sue's sitting in the chair method is how I started Rory with the DB - mind you, he is a dog who loves to carry stuff around - selects a toy du jour every morning, and has always been happy to give and take. But the Sue H chir method worked a treat - and - I have no idea how - but I had a lovley happy DB retrieve in a very short time. He's now also happy with his new leather seekback article, the SD articles, and a glove - just did that one last week. I am so blessed with this boy - must be the West Australian thing :)

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This is not quite a brag but still.....

Last night first trial for Coco and I for the year and things were going great nice seekback, directed jumping using my new plan of attack of signals only to stop her taking the wrong jump worked, articles good then signals. She worked not her best bit wide particlularly on the about turns which I have been working on and improving but still acceptable get to the final return to heel and she only goes part way round :) big fat zero. wonderful gloves especially as the ring was quite dark .

So came home with the knowledge 2 more steps from her and we would have had our first UD leg...At least I know she can do it all now :) Like I said not quite a brag but still pretty happy we are almost there :)

Bugger kathq - so near and yet so far. Do you think it had anything to do with your signal???

Have pulled it to pieces a million times in my head since. :) Could have been my signal as I did do an extended/exagerated one as I was quite worried about the hundreds of moths that were about that were coming up in clouds as you stepped - and she is a bit phobic about bugs. And i could have confused her with that as my signals are normally quite small. I'm putting it down to learning curve on the part of the handler in the "trust your dog" portion.

I've always siad UD is character building - can go from chocolates to boiled lollies so easily - and a zero is always just round the corner.

But that sounds like a really good night's work, kathq - heaps of positives to take away from that. :)

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I had problems with Struass holding - he would happily run around with a toy in his mouth but would drop it like a hot potato if I went anywhere near him. Throwing something for him he would run out to it and may or may not have picked it up. I decided to give Shirley's method a go and we got to the point where I could hold the BD and he would put his mouth on it, or touch it with his mouth/teeth and I would C/T but there we stalled. I kept trying for a few weeks but felt nothing I did helped me move forward (sounds a similar point at where you are at Seita).

So I went to see Sue H and asked for help. She sat in a chair with a truck load of treats and in less than 2 minutes had him taking the db and holding it. So in 2 minutes she had achieved what I hadn't in weeks. From then on ever time I brought the db out he would get so excited and I never had any problems with him bringing me and holding things again. In fact his latest love is books, encyclopedias, dictionaries, you name it, if you leave it laying around he will find it and bring it to me - not always with the cover intact!!!

Sue's sitting in the chair method is how I started Rory with the DB - mind you, he is a dog who loves to carry stuff around - selects a toy du jour every morning, and has always been happy to give and take. But the Sue H chir method worked a treat - and - I have no idea how - but I had a lovley happy DB retrieve in a very short time. He's now also happy with his new leather seekback article, the SD articles, and a glove - just did that one last week. I am so blessed with this boy - must be the West Australian thing :)

That was how I got my 4yo Dobe to do Dumbell after we had been shown a different method that made the dumbell totally aversive. It worked once she got the idea she came ahead in leaps and bounds and got her CDX which I had never thought would be possible due to her reaction to even seeing the dumbell!

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I am also having trouble getting mason to hold things, his problem is he wont put anything in his mouth if treats are near because then how will he eat the treats :laugh::laugh: it is funny when you think of it but to me it is now darn frustrating as he will put whatever I ask him to hold in his mouth for just a second so I have to be real quick with the clicker ( and I am slow at the best of times) and then he just drops it .......Maybe I can send mason to Sue H....... :)

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I had problems with Struass holding - he would happily run around with a toy in his mouth but would drop it like a hot potato if I went anywhere near him. Throwing something for him he would run out to it and may or may not have picked it up. I decided to give Shirley's method a go and we got to the point where I could hold the BD and he would put his mouth on it, or touch it with his mouth/teeth and I would C/T but there we stalled. I kept trying for a few weeks but felt nothing I did helped me move forward (sounds a similar point at where you are at Seita).

So I went to see Sue H and asked for help. She sat in a chair with a truck load of treats and in less than 2 minutes had him taking the db and holding it. So in 2 minutes she had achieved what I hadn't in weeks. From then on ever time I brought the db out he would get so excited and I never had any problems with him bringing me and holding things again. In fact his latest love is books, encyclopedias, dictionaries, you name it, if you leave it laying around he will find it and bring it to me - not always with the cover intact!!!

So you will be backchaining his retrieve?? :thumbsup:

I was bored with Snazzy as a puppy and asked Sue what we could do...retrieve she said. She plonked me in a chair and off we went..Yes, timing is everything :)

I think Snazz has a great retrieve thanks to Sue.

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Just thought I'd update everyone who helped me on my 'find heel' challenge for the obedience class I instructed last night.

It was a bit of a struggle at first and pretty much all of the dogs found it hard to find heel because they've not really been trained to do so before, but we practiced it a bit and when we came back to it at the end of the night almost every single one of them were able to get their dog in a nice heel position :)

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Just thought I'd update everyone who helped me on my 'find heel' challenge for the obedience class I instructed last night.

It was a bit of a struggle at first and pretty much all of the dogs found it hard to find heel because they've not really been trained to do so before, but we practiced it a bit and when we came back to it at the end of the night almost every single one of them were able to get their dog in a nice heel position :)

That's great huski :thumbsup: What did you win in the bet? :thumbsup:

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