ness Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Wuffles - have a look at the Shirly Chong Click retrieve and work through that methodically and it should help sort the problem out. http://www.shirleychong.com/keepers/retrieve.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 OSoSwift... THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. We have been trying to get the hold for months, I tried your suggestion and it worked straight away. After that 5 minute session she was holding it for 5 seconds. She just got the hugest jackpot ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 I just did a Rally run through with Toby... he is a bit right-centric from agility days and my handling was a bit woeful but I am pretty happy with his attitude I have a clip coming on YouTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 OSoSwift... THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. We have been trying to get the hold for months, I tried your suggestion and it worked straight away. After that 5 minute session she was holding it for 5 seconds. She just got the hugest jackpot ever It worked on my Dobe when I had been struggling for 4 years, with other issues with the dumbell as well though. So glad it helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Here is Toby having a go at Rally, as always feel free to comment, I am aware I did a few things wrong but maybe something you see is something I didn't notice ETA - glad to hear you got Ava holding the dumbell wuffles! That's one thing I am looking forward to teaching Toby Edited January 26, 2011 by RallyValley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuffles Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Wow RallyValley, you and Toby look like you have come a long way!!! I was excited to teach the dumbell too until we got stuck She's not a natural retriever so it has been pretty interesting Edit: I am so amazed that something so simple worked I've never had that suggestion before, people at my club keep telling me just to reward in smaller increments but my brain can't compute millisecond intervals! Yay! Edited January 26, 2011 by wuffles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted January 26, 2011 Share Posted January 26, 2011 Here is Toby having a go at Rally, as always feel free to comment, I am aware I did a few things wrong but maybe something you see is something I didn't notice ETA - glad to hear you got Ava holding the dumbell wuffles! That's one thing I am looking forward to teaching Toby Gees a bike ride AND a training session. Now I feel really guilty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I have a medium and a large here Candice, if you don't get a dumbell before we see each other next, take a look at the sizes I have. I use medium for both girls. Cool I will wait until I see you again as I am in no rush, thought it may just be fun to start teaching him to hold the dumbell, I think he has pretty much the same size mouth as your girls though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Banjo - I was attempting the heel work with arm out like Ptolomy showed in her vid . It will go smoother when he learns to catch the food .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7tQxHla3V8 Hey good job Tiggy and where did all this motivation come from Banjo did a great job heeling - what sort of food were you using - the cheese would have been good)? Strauss was better on the outside cirlces than the inside ones (and still is and it looks like Banjo is the same). Start Bear on catching food now away from heeling. I have just had a look at your rear end awareness videos The one of Bear was how Strauss started too and it didn't take him long to catch on at all - its funny because at this stage they are oblivious to the phone book even being there - just more intent on getting the chunks of cheese. The one of Banjo on his stiff side. Try standing opposite him and asking him to line up or get in or whatever your command is for him to find heel position and you stand still - he might find this easier. Hmm actually you will have to break this down a bit, you stand with him in heel and take a step to your right and ask him to line up. Once he can do this, then you take 2 steps etc until you are opposite him and he can scoot around. I am trying to concentrate on our rear end awareness, so far Mason thinks he only has front legs I am also using the phone book and carrying on from what Gina showed us in the seminar but oh my its slow going.... this one is not so bright with rear end stuff!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I am trying to concentrate on our rear end awareness, so far Mason thinks he only has front legs I am also using the phone book and carrying on from what Gina showed us in the seminar but oh my its slow going.... this one is not so bright with rear end stuff!! LOL - I said that about Strauss and come to think about it, Scoota before him. I have actually changed my opinion of Moo - but I really have to say, my girls generally pick things up much faster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 I am trying to concentrate on our rear end awareness, so far Mason thinks he only has front legs I am also using the phone book and carrying on from what Gina showed us in the seminar but oh my its slow going.... this one is not so bright with rear end stuff!! LOL - I said that about Strauss and come to think about it, Scoota before him. I have actually changed my opinion of Moo - but I really have to say, my girls generally pick things up much faster. Maybe its a boy thing I wonder if its harder for bigger dogs to pick up rear end awareness? I will just keep persevering, not going to give up, I know he will get it - hey it may be in the next lifetime though ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Maybe its a boy thing I wonder if its harder for bigger dogs to pick up rear end awareness? I will just keep persevering, not going to give up, I know he will get it - hey it may be in the next lifetime though ... I am a fan of free shaping, but if you're having trouble why not forget the front feet being involved at this stage. If you get a largish piece of carpet or bubblewrap and place it very close behind your dog. You stand in front with a shortened lead and put slight pressure on him to take a step backwards...he should be close enough to put his rear foot on the carpet..click when he does. Just do this a few times then wait and see if he offers movement with his rear legs. He'll soon know he has two attached if you're rewarding his stepping onto the carpet. Gradually move the carpet a little further away from him til he's walking backwards to try and touch it. Once he's worked that out, then try your phonebook again and see if he offers movement with his rear legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Maybe its a boy thing I wonder if its harder for bigger dogs to pick up rear end awareness? I will just keep persevering, not going to give up, I know he will get it - hey it may be in the next lifetime though ... I am a fan of free shaping, but if you're having trouble why not forget the front feet being involved at this stage. If you get a largish piece of carpet or bubblewrap and place it very close behind your dog. You stand in front with a shortened lead and put slight pressure on him to take a step backwards...he should be close enough to put his rear foot on the carpet..click when he does. Just do this a few times then wait and see if he offers movement with his rear legs. He'll soon know he has two attached if you're rewarding his stepping onto the carpet. Gradually move the carpet a little further away from him til he's walking backwards to try and touch it. Once he's worked that out, then try your phonebook again and see if he offers movement with his rear legs. Thanks Caffy I might give that a go, he does move his back legs when he is on the phone book but its very minimal and not quite what I am looking for if you know what I mean? I think he is confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue & Waldo Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Maybe its a boy thing I wonder if its harder for bigger dogs to pick up rear end awareness? I will just keep persevering, not going to give up, I know he will get it - hey it may be in the next lifetime though ... I am a fan of free shaping, but if you're having trouble why not forget the front feet being involved at this stage. If you get a largish piece of carpet or bubblewrap and place it very close behind your dog. You stand in front with a shortened lead and put slight pressure on him to take a step backwards...he should be close enough to put his rear foot on the carpet..click when he does. Just do this a few times then wait and see if he offers movement with his rear legs. He'll soon know he has two attached if you're rewarding his stepping onto the carpet. Gradually move the carpet a little further away from him til he's walking backwards to try and touch it. Once he's worked that out, then try your phonebook again and see if he offers movement with his rear legs. Thanks Caffy I might give that a go, he does move his back legs when he is on the phone book but its very minimal and not quite what I am looking for if you know what I mean? I think he is confused. Cindy as well. I am going to try something behind her rear legs and see how we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well, I've just had the displeasure of watching some training footage that gives training with food a bad name. It is WORLDS apart from how I train and it was so permissive and poorly timed/planned I can understand how some people think we all train the same away. Damn, I feel cranky!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Any method is only as good as the individual doing it :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) Any method is only as good as the individual doing it Oh, absolutely! But I didn't think it was rocket science - good to see how it can be done badly because most of the people I talk to online or at trials use it correctly. I hang out with good trainers :rolleyes: Edited February 1, 2011 by The Spotted Devil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 (edited) :rolleyes: TSD so long as it wasn't anything of mine. I was watching some of my early training videos the other week and nearly died in a fit of laughter it was THAT BAD!!!! Edited February 1, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 :rolleyes: TSD so long as it wasn't anything of mine. :vomit: Thanks ness - I needed that!!! No, not anyone on this forum or in my immediate training environment. But something very close to home in other ways. Sorry I'm being cryptic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 don't worry about being cryptic - my comment was just a joke I didn't think it was anybody on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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