Cosmolo Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Can i ask a question to all of you who trial- I am just curious. :D If you didn't trial, but trained all the exercises- would you phase out rewards/ change delivery of the reward to the extent that you do now? Or would you be happy to keep rewarding throughout a workout etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Can i ask a question to all of you who trial- I am just curious. :D If you didn't trial, but trained all the exercises- would you phase out rewards/ change delivery of the reward to the extent that you do now? Or would you be happy to keep rewarding throughout a workout etc? Hi Cosmo - I am not sure what trialling has to do with it - but my kids always get rewarded they just never know when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Just out of interest when sending a dog to the box do you give a signal and if so do you use your right or left hand? Well there you go apparently I consistency use my right hand when I send Kenz which is the total opposite to what I do when I send Ness to the box and yes I do use a signal for her and its given with my left hand. I also seem to stand Kenz with a right handed stand signal when setting her up despite the fact my normal stand signal during heelwork would be given with the left hand :D . ETA. So Ptolomy what do you do - save me going off to look at your clips on youtube to find out. Never mind was impatient so went off to look anyway. Edited January 8, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Can i ask a question to all of you who trial- I am just curious. :D If you didn't trial, but trained all the exercises- would you phase out rewards/ change delivery of the reward to the extent that you do now? Or would you be happy to keep rewarding throughout a workout etc? Hi Cosmo - I am not sure what trialling has to do with it - but my kids always get rewarded they just never know when. Agree with Ptolomy - Kenz and Ness are always rewarded when we train they just never know when they might be rewarded. While they are learning they are obviously rewarded more frequently and I don't start stringing exercises together until they can do each of them separately. Edited January 8, 2011 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 Sorry another question - if the dog is suppose to be targeting my hand when I have it out to the side is the dog actually meant to touch my hand or just focus up at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Sorry another question - if the dog is suppose to be targeting my hand when I have it out to the side is the dog actually meant to touch my hand or just focus up at it. Hi Tiggy - sorry I never answered you about heeling with your arm outstretched. When we had our lesson we were supposed to teach the dog an extended hand target and once the dog knew this to have your hand just above the dogs nose so that it is prancing in an upward manner. Your arm should be outstretched and you make sure that it is always in line with your shoulder or heel position (never forward or behind you). All very good if you have tall dogs, but in my case Strauss was just a puppy and I felt that I was leaning backwards. So I decided I would hold my hand up high and drop the occasional bit of food which seemed to work for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 Sorry another question - if the dog is suppose to be targeting my hand when I have it out to the side is the dog actually meant to touch my hand or just focus up at it. Hi Tiggy - sorry I never answered you about heeling with your arm outstretched. When we had our lesson we were supposed to teach the dog an extended hand target and once the dog knew this to have your hand just above the dogs nose so that it is prancing in an upward manner. Your arm should be outstretched and you make sure that it is always in line with your shoulder or heel position (never forward or behind you). All very good if you have tall dogs, but in my case Strauss was just a puppy and I felt that I was leaning backwards. So I decided I would hold my hand up high and drop the occasional bit of food which seemed to work for us. Thanks for that :D my dogs are shorties so I'll try it your way, that's what I did with Banjo today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathq Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Just out of interest when sending a dog to the box do you give a signal and if so do you use your right or left hand? I use my left hand in a palm towards the box pushing motion. I also use the left hand in a side on karate style for my fetch command. My right hand is only used for the drop command, nothing else. This is so ingrained that when I tried to use my right hand to send Coco out to Glove 3 with my right hand she continually dropped at my side. Couldnt stop her as soon as the right hand started to move she would go down so gave up. At least she never missed a drop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Interesting Kathq using different hands for different gloves. I use the same hand (left) to give direction regardless of which glove I am sending to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Just out of interest when sending a dog to the box do you give a signal and if so do you use your right or left hand? Right....I think :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Just out of interest when sending a dog to the box do you give a signal and if so do you use your right or left hand? Right....I think :D Might have to dust off the box on Monday night to double check! Has Alex ever mixed a box signal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caffy Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Might have to dust off the box on Monday night to double check!Has Alex ever mixed a box signal? Not that I recall. It was always a heavily rewarded, fun exercise to run away from me...what toller wouldn't revel in that exercise??? :D Seriously, it has always been an exercise I knew he would just do and do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I have no idea what hand I use for gloves - think I use left hand for all three :D . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathq Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 It was just me trying to be too clever for my own good and help her to take the direction better. I had to give up and only use my left hand as I couldnt break the drop habit with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seita Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I tried to use different hands for different gloves after a few people suggested it to me but I failed and kept getting myself confused. Ella will fetch off any command or style of hand signal as long as it's pointing toward the item to be retrieved so it didn't really matter. I use my right hand for most signals except stand and heel where I use my left hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I am hoping to do our first CCD trial at our club at the end of March.. eeeek! Best of luck!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) If I was to ask you which of your 2 dogs you enjoy training the most - Can I assume its Em??? Just watching your body language - you and her are having a blast - your more animated and training is great fun. Watching Ziggy - he did a good job, he knows his stuff but it was more a case of going through the motions. You've described me and my girls I am more animated usually with Millie and have a lot more fun... while I go through the motions with Ruby and more flat... and she's more flat because of it. Or am I flat because she's flat She is soooooooo hard to psych up, whereas with Millie all I have to do is look at her and she's raring to go! I think the dog's attitude and our attitude go hand in hand and we feed off each other. Sigh!! I'm trying to make it all fun with Ruby again, and today's session was good Did some box shaping with Millie and the smart cookie got it within a couple of tries! Took a lot longer to shape that with Ruby and Ruby is the better one at shaping With regards to Zig - it's not that I'm going through the motions with him, it's just that I have to play to his strengths. He finds the sort of play and patting I do with Em quite aversive when we are training - not a touchy feel-y dog at all. This is Ruby, too Millie loves me to interact with her, she thrives on it. Ruby would rather I just reward with food or toys. I am trying to be more touchy feely with Ruby to see if she will learn to like it, not sure if she will though! The most I will get is a bit of a cuddle on the lounge but that is as far as touchy feely goes with her. Edited January 8, 2011 by RubyStar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Sorry another question - if the dog is suppose to be targeting my hand when I have it out to the side is the dog actually meant to touch my hand or just focus up at it. Hi Tiggy - sorry I never answered you about heeling with your arm outstretched. When we had our lesson we were supposed to teach the dog an extended hand target and once the dog knew this to have your hand just above the dogs nose so that it is prancing in an upward manner. Your arm should be outstretched and you make sure that it is always in line with your shoulder or heel position (never forward or behind you). All very good if you have tall dogs, but in my case Strauss was just a puppy and I felt that I was leaning backwards. So I decided I would hold my hand up high and drop the occasional bit of food which seemed to work for us. And I can't be bothered teaching that extended hand touch so I hold my hand out too and drop the food like Ptolomy does. Millie is quite a good catch! You can hear the CHOMP as she catches it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Just out of interest when sending a dog to the box do you give a signal and if so do you use your right or left hand? Right....I think Might have to dust off the box on Monday night to double check! Has Alex ever mixed a box signal? Do we know yet if K9 is open after 5pm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggy Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 Talking to yourself RS hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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