huski Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Cant watch the Cider vid till I get home, can't wait! A lot of the dogs I see with bad heelwork that lacks that focus and attention can usually be put down to lack of motivation. I know that once I found a way to keep my dog motivated the attentive heel work followed pretty naturally. Not that our heelwork can compare at all to Ptolomy's amazing work! I remember Richard Curtis talking about how he trained that prancy UK style heelwork with one of his dogs at his seminar earlier in the year. Was so interesting and can't wait to see how you go wth Strauss Ptolomy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I would love to come and watch, I wonder if Gina has any auditing spots open? I would mail her - can't hurt to ask?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Cant watch the Cider vid till I get home, can't wait!A lot of the dogs I see with bad heelwork that lacks that focus and attention can usually be put down to lack of motivation. I know that once I found a way to keep my dog motivated the attentive heel work followed pretty naturally. Not that our heelwork can compare at all to Ptolomy's amazing work! I remember Richard Curtis talking about how he trained that prancy UK style heelwork with one of his dogs at his seminar earlier in the year. Was so interesting and can't wait to see how you go wth Strauss Ptolomy! I think lack of motivation is our problem - although this morning Mason was keen as to work for his new zap ball - he only gets it if he works and he loves the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I taught attention first - started at 8 weeks of age and when she sat I would step into heel position and start rewarding. It took no time at all for her to look up at me the second I stepped into heel and then I just varied the length of time before treating. The attention was so heavily rewarded that it basically just flowed over to the heel work. Strauss has been different. I attempted to get some video of him last night, but the memory card was full - argh. We had a seminar 2 weeks ago on teaching the English style of prancy heelwork - which I am trying with him and all of a sudden the light has gone on. So stay tuned with this one...... More info needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 It was given by somebody who had attended the Kamal Fernandes (hmm spelling) seminar in NSW Kamal is from the UK and has competed at Crufts. I have not done everything as per the instructions because I don't want the head to be in the position of the UK dogs, but so far I am getting prancy attentive heelwork after very little effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) It was given by somebody who had attended the Kamal Fernandes (hmm spelling) seminar in NSW Kamal is from the UK and has competed at Crufts.I have not done everything as per the instructions because I don't want the head to be in the position of the UK dogs, but so far I am getting prancy attentive heelwork after very little effort. I am quite clueless - where do the UK dogs have their heads?? ETA - I googled a video of a dog at Crufts heeling and I also hate the head position !! Looks like the dog is going to have a sore neck Edited October 20, 2010 by Mason2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I'll be at the catchup too on the 7th, but I'm bringing Millie instead ;) I'm working on this new style with Millie too, we'll see how long before I get bored and revert back to what I was doing before as I am an impatient little bugger I worked with attention in Millie from the day I got her too, after seeing where I went wrong with Ruby. So for the most part, the attention carried over to heelwork for me too, but nothin' like Ptolomy's kids!! I concentrated so hard on attention that her position slipped a bit Next dog, I know to make sure both come hand in hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Are there no such seminars happening in Victoria or do I just not hear about them??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubyStar Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 A lot of the dogs I see with bad heelwork that lacks that focus and attention can usually be put down to lack of motivation. I know that once I found a way to keep my dog motivated the attentive heel work followed pretty naturally. Not that our heelwork can compare at all to Ptolomy's amazing work! You are so right. Ruby gives some lovely work when she's motivated, but I have broken her somehow and I am struggling to get her motivated in the ring. Our teamwork could use a little work. It was given by somebody who had attended the Kamal Fernandes (hmm spelling) seminar in NSW Kamal is from the UK and has competed at Crufts.I have not done everything as per the instructions because I don't want the head to be in the position of the UK dogs, but so far I am getting prancy attentive heelwork after very little effort. Strauss is all prancy already! But have to say, your kids are natural prancers, take Cider for example!! It's gonna be a struggle to get a Lab to prance delicately I had my video camera in my car on Monday for you, forget to tell you Oh well, next time eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 A lot of the dogs I see with bad heelwork that lacks that focus and attention can usually be put down to lack of motivation. I know that once I found a way to keep my dog motivated the attentive heel work followed pretty naturally. Not that our heelwork can compare at all to Ptolomy's amazing work! You are so right. Ruby gives some lovely work when she's motivated, but I have broken her somehow and I am struggling to get her motivated in the ring. Our teamwork could use a little work. It was given by somebody who had attended the Kamal Fernandes (hmm spelling) seminar in NSW Kamal is from the UK and has competed at Crufts.I have not done everything as per the instructions because I don't want the head to be in the position of the UK dogs, but so far I am getting prancy attentive heelwork after very little effort. Strauss is all prancy already! But have to say, your kids are natural prancers, take Cider for example!! It's gonna be a struggle to get a Lab to prance delicately I had my video camera in my car on Monday for you, forget to tell you Oh well, next time eh? Your girls could still look prancy RS but my big boy is as delicate as an elephant on steroids!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Are there no such seminars happening in Victoria or do I just not hear about them??? We are lucky in WA with what I consider to be 2 of the best obedience trainers in Oz on our own doorstep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Only 2 of the best hey Ptolomy . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I shouldn't whinge as we have some great people at the club I go to but I do like me a seminar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Have worked out its better not to whinge JulesP and just set about organising seminars that you might want to attend and actually push for them to happen. Amazing when you want something badly enough how you can eventually find a way for it to happen. Selfish but so very true. Still would pack up and move to WA in a heartbeat though . Everytime I go and visit I am sad to come home again . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopuppy04 Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 No fair all you WAers with these amazing trainers! Ptolomy - I'd love to hear more about this 'prancy UK heelwork' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Here is Kamal Fernandez at Crufts in 2006: I reckon he glued the dog to his leg, personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Rusty Bucket Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 (edited) My dog doesn't just glue to my leg, she actually grabs hold. Especially if we do fast pace. Does having spit marks on your thigh lose points? PS I think that guy has blue vein cheese in his pocket... Edited October 20, 2010 by Mrs Rusty Bucket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sas Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 I think Ptolomy needs to write a book on the secrets of attentive heeling Pleeeeeeeeease? Chapter 1 if at first you don't suceed with dog number 1 - get another dog and start again Cider is dog number 6 for me - so I have had a few attempts - so hang in there Oh awesome, can I send you my reject Danes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 Are there no such seminars happening in Victoria or do I just not hear about them??? We are lucky in WA with what I consider to be 2 of the best obedience trainers in Oz on our own doorstep Ok I know who they are - Ptolomy and Bedazzled!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted October 20, 2010 Share Posted October 20, 2010 nope they aren't the 2 Ptolomy was referring to - I told her she can't count!!!!! I can count at least 5 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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