poodlemum Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Don't kid yourselves for a minute that ANKC registered breeders don't sell puppies to pet stores - they do. I have overheard staff in PP one day telling potential customers that the fluffy doodles in the window had registration papers. There is way more than meets the eye to this story. It reeks. I belive they charge extra for the vaccinatiom certificates, which they refer to as "papers". I also find it hard to believe that a Registered breeder would sell to PP (not that I think they are all angels, just that they could get much more money selling privately) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlemum Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 It's not against the COE of the ANKC to sell to certain pet shops 26. A member shall not: .1 Sell or dispose of a dog to a commercial pet wholesaler or retail pet shop unless they are accredited by the Pet Industry Association of Australia Limited (PIAA). (I presume PP is PIAA accredited) I have a strong feeling, however, that it is against the Dogs Victoria Code Of Ethics for breeders to sell to ANY commercial pet wholesaler or pet shop (but my copy of the COE is in my filing cabinet at home, so I can't positively confirm that) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 So why was this not picked up on the vet check that the puppies should have been given at the time of vaccination and the vet check that should have happened when the store took the puppy into their possession ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16Paws Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Surely PP have the funds to donate the money themselves? If they want good PR no better way to say they donated $xk to save the life of a puppy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♪♫LMBC♫♪ Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Pets Paradise are NOT acrredited ,members of PIAA so then they are not eligible to be sold puppies from Registered Breeders. The Canine Council should be asking PP what breeder he came from and deal with the breeder if it is true then Yes they are. At least, some of them are. I'm pretty sure they are all franchised so it would be up to the individual store owners to apply for PIAA accreditation. Not that it means much anyway, plenty of pet shops are members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centitout Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 It should have been picked up at first vacc,and euthanased by "breeder".I too think it has come from BYB that maybe has "papers" for the parents,but until it is investigated further and the "breeder" identified-ALL registered breeders will now again,be tarred with the same brush. If the pup turns out to have NOT come from a registered breeder with one of the CC's,then a full retraction is needed. Bloody big PR stunt to try to give them credibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Pets Paradise are NOT acrredited ,members of PIAA so then they are not eligible to be sold puppies from Registered Breeders. The Canine Council should be asking PP what breeder he came from and deal with the breeder if it is true then Yes they are. At least, some of them are. I'm pretty sure they are all franchised so it would be up to the individual store owners to apply for PIAA accreditation. Not that it means much anyway, plenty of pet shops are members. There are a couple of members in NSW, NONE IN VIC and NONE are ACCREDITED as a past State Coordinator and the fact I just rung PIAA I know that to be true. I believe NSW breeders can sell to ACCREDITED pet shops, not just members but I didn't think Victorian ones could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 Pets Paradise are NOT acrredited ,members of PIAA so then they are not eligible to be sold puppies from Registered Breeders. The Canine Council should be asking PP what breeder he came from and deal with the breeder if it is true then Yes they are. At least, some of them are. I'm pretty sure they are all franchised so it would be up to the individual store owners to apply for PIAA accreditation. Not that it means much anyway, plenty of pet shops are members. There are a couple of members in NSW, NONE IN VIC and NONE are ACCREDITED as a past State Coordinator and the fact I just rung PIAA I know that to be true. I believe NSW breeders can sell to ACCREDITED pet shops, not just members but I didn't think Victorian ones could At the risk of being boring I'll repeat myself: Don't kid yourselves for a minute that ANKC registered breeders don't sell puppies to pet stores - they do. Around here, you can figure out where some of those pups come from. "Registered" and "ethical" aren't similes and unethical ANKC registered breeders tarnish all of their number with such practices. The sooner all sales of pups to petshops by ANKC registered breeders is stopped, the better. Anyone breaching the code of conduct should have their membership cancelled for life. Until the ANKC gets serious about such practices, the reputation of its breeders will continue to be at threat. Same goes for compulsory health testing for heritable conditions. They need to stop pussy footing around and make it mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 10, 2010 Share Posted February 10, 2010 I am fully aware that it is done, I myself have been offered "excess" puppies by registered breeders in the past, but as I don't sell puppies I just listen and then at the end comment that I don't sell puppies and I didn't think you could sell the to pet shops. My original comments were more aimed at the fact that breeders should be calling the Victorian CC to ask if they know about it. I know people do the wrong thing. My second post was informing people that they aren't Accredited PIAA members so wouldn't "be eligible" to be sold puppies from registered breeders according to Dogs NSW at least. I personally think that the ANKC should be more proactive in these issues - if reported Has any Registered Breeders contacted Dogs Victoria about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Sick pup needs help to mend a broken heartBY SANDRA BULL 08 Feb, 2010 09:36 AM HARRY Heart Murmur urgently needs up to $10,000 to mend his broken heart. If the lovable King Charles Cavalier pup doesn't have the operation he will die within a year, owner of the Pets Paradise store at Parkmore shopping centre Cally Loridas said last week. Harry Heart Murmur, as he has been dubbed, was sold to the Keysborough pet store by a registered breeder. But soon after being bought, he was diagnosed with the serious inherited heart condition patient ductus arteriosis. Mrs Loridas immediately refunded the customer and set about healing Harry. The 15-week-old is living full-time at Mrs Loridas' home until she raises enough cash for open-heart surgery to close a leaking blood vessel. "He's such a lovely dog, so happy-go-lucky and loves everybody. We just couldn't have little Harry put down," she said. Animal specialist centre SARC in Highett has offered to do the operation at cost price - between $3000 and $10,000, depending on how intricate the procedure turns out to be. Any donations left over will be given to Harry's next owner for his upkeep. But selecting a new, loving owner is way off in the future until the pup returns to full health. Anyone wanting to help can give a gold coin donation at the store for a chance to win a prize. http://www.thejournal.com.au/news/local/ne...rt/1744904.aspx All incorrect dealings aside. This is not an inherited condition if its the correct diagnosis. All dogs and humans are born with a patent duct. This closes with the first breath. Its the closure of the foetal circulation. Sometimes it does not close and heart surgery has to be performed usually in the very early weeks of life. In a dog I would suggest this would cause very poor health and it would succumb quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoofnHoof Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 All incorrect dealings aside. This is not an inherited condition if its the correct diagnosis.All dogs and humans are born with a patent duct. This closes with the first breath. Its the closure of the foetal circulation. Sometimes it does not close and heart surgery has to be performed usually in the very early weeks of life. In a dog I would suggest this would cause very poor health and it would succumb quickly. When I was googling for the cost of the op yesterday most of what I read suggested that it was thought to be inherited. I imagine that it would be similar to liver shunt in that it can occur spontanously in some dogs but can be genetic in others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 All incorrect dealings aside. This is not an inherited condition if its the correct diagnosis.All dogs and humans are born with a patent duct. This closes with the first breath. Its the closure of the foetal circulation. Sometimes it does not close and heart surgery has to be performed usually in the very early weeks of life. In a dog I would suggest this would cause very poor health and it would succumb quickly. When I was googling for the cost of the op yesterday most of what I read suggested that it was thought to be inherited. I imagine that it would be similar to liver shunt in that it can occur spontanously in some dogs but can be genetic in others? I've not got vet or medical expertise. But I, too, thought it was the same as for humans. How heart murmurs can occur spontaneously & are not necessarily always genetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 Was the puppy from registered parents? It's not, as far as I am aware, against any CC COE for a Registered breeder to breed and/or sell unregistered puppies from unregistered parents..... It's only REGISTERED DOGS that have the regulations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I believe they are from registered parents, who the breeder (Dogs Victoria knows) isn't registering puppies anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 I believe they are from registered parents, who the breeder (Dogs Victoria knows) isn't registering puppies anymore. Is the breeder still registered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 11, 2010 Share Posted February 11, 2010 That I do not know, all I know is that Dogs Victoria were made aware who it is and that they are no longer registering puppies, but the parents are papered and the breeder has basically said too bad. I have no involvement of either side, just made some enquiries that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugar Posted February 11, 2010 Author Share Posted February 11, 2010 (edited) My kids friends mum just told me how PP sold her a kitten as a female, and just found out its a male.. She asked the PP staff over and over are you sure its a girl.. Yes, yes yes. Vaccination, microchip etc.. all said female. The Vet said nothing about 'she' being a 'he'... even though the cat has had x rays etc.. Can anything be done about this? ( she bought the kitten at Easter time last year) (Dont want to get into she shouldnt have bought from PP etc.. she has learnt her lesson, and got suckered in) Edited February 11, 2010 by sugar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly_Louise Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 I would have thought that Pets Paradise could contribute the money towards the surgery, using the massive profits they make on many of the dogs they sell? Surely it would be enough, and more... Seeing that they are going down the path of playing the innocent victims ('we've been sold a sick puppy from a breeder' ) - and how THEY would NEVER do such a thing (not considering the pup probably should have been health checked before they sold it) - that they would cough up the money to save a pup that THEY sold. I wonder if they will try to raise the money for every ill healthed pup they sell then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casowner Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Pets Paradise is a franchise, they are individual store owners. They pay for the franchise and then buy from the group, pay back % of sales/advertsing nationally etc. I do not believe that the master franchise owner would help out individual franchisees with individual problems. I have employed a lady that owned 2 PP stores for over 20 years and was left with nothing, some stories I have hear certainly take the "shine" off owning any franchise. I personally do not agree with their philosophies at all , but as I mentioned each store owner is different and each ones decision on the medical treatment is their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippets Posted February 12, 2010 Share Posted February 12, 2010 Registered breeder probably means a registered ABN number for a puppy farm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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