Rspca Animal Rescue On Tv Now Channel 7

[lucylotto]

I have just been watching the show and have been sickened by what I have just seen. They have just taken 120 dogs from a puppy farm and the condition some of them are in has left me speechless.

The standard poodle they just clipped off was worse then anything I have seen.

God I hope these people get what they have coming

I cannot believe that this low life of a human being got a lousy 9,000 fine and IS STILL ALLOWED TO OWN DOGS! :)

[mita]

I didn't see the episode but $9,000 for 140 puppy farm dogs??? Would be pocket change to an establishment like that..... it's something like $64 per dog

Considering what poor Judy with the Tibbies is up for that is f***ing disgusting!!!!! How about RSPCA working harder on the laws and minimum sentences/punishments for the people who are REALLY cruel.

Of course, after seeing this on the tv, more people will go to donate thinking they are helping Hopefully it will open a few more eyes about puppy farms.....

Judy's position is even worse because it doesn't relate to her dogs being in distress or disabled (as it says in the Victorian law). Hers is an 'offence' about regulation under a law that doesn't have the grasp of English to describe debarking as a regulated procedure A procedure that's OK under the same law.. And has inbuilt discrimination against show dogs. If ever a law needs to be rewritten, that one does.

I'd say that animal welfare laws.....in respect of puppy farming....should be far more monitored by the Dpt of Primary Industries whose Minister is responsible for them anyway. So Primary Industry Inspectors in the field should be able to act early re any source from which puppies are sold.

That's another lesson I'd hope Joe Public would get from the program....asking questions how such places can develop to such an appalling state, in the first instance.

Edited February 10, 2010 by mita

[mokhahouse]

Please correct me if I am wrong but when they said she was restricted to three dogs (unbelievable) but I thought they said in NSW. Does this mean she can move interstate with no restrictions on her owning more dogs.

[mita]

They then showed the dog quietly standing near the staff member. Under socialised and stressed- absolutely. Extreme fear- from the footage shown, no.

The other dogs i refer to are the 15 that were pts on entry to the shelter because of their behaviour.

I do think the socialisation message was great- lets hope people listened to that.

Thank for that explanation.

Was there any further information given about the 15 PTS? To arrive at some judgement.

It certainly doesn't harm Joe Public to know that severe behavioral problems due to lack of socialisation can also face a dog with PTS.

[Lhok]

That rspca pts animals based on general temperment.

I know they pts timid dogs and fence jumpers because I have worked there as a volunteer, I don't like how it is run and the majority of the people you saw in the show were local vet staff from one the larger vet clinics.

The RSPCA also works as the local pound and they don't have a large kennel area but yeah that's all I have to say on it

poor little puppies

--Lhok

[SpikesPuppy]

I didn't see the episode but $9,000 for 140 puppy farm dogs??? Would be pocket change to an establishment like that..... it's something like $64 per dog

Considering what poor Judy with the Tibbies is up for that is f***ing disgusting!!!!! How about RSPCA working harder on the laws and minimum sentences/punishments for the people who are REALLY cruel.

Of course, after seeing this on the tv, more people will go to donate thinking they are helping Hopefully it will open a few more eyes about puppy farms.....

Judy's position is even worse because it doesn't relate to her dogs being in distress or disabled (as it says in the Victorian law). Hers is an 'offence' about regulation under a law that doesn't have the grasp of English to describe debarking as a regulated procedure A procedure that's OK under the same law.. And has inbuilt discrimination against show dogs. If ever a law needs to be rewritten, that one does.

I'd say that animal welfare laws.....in respect of puppy farming....should be far more monitored by the Dpt of Primary Industries whose Minister is responsible for them anyway. So Primary Industry Inspectors in the field should be able to act early re any source from which puppies are sold.

That's another lesson I'd hope Joe Public would get from the program....asking questions how such places can develop to such an appalling state, in the first instance.

Exactly, Mita. I didn't mean to compare but it made me feel physically ill to read that the punishment was a mere slap on the wrist and they can still own dogs etc for all the dogs they tortured. More proof that reg'd breeders are easy targets IMO.

[HugUrPup]

That rspca pts animals based on general temperment.

I know they pts timid dogs and fence jumpers because I have worked there as a volunteer, I don't like how it is run and the majority of the people you saw in the show were local vet staff from one the larger vet clinics.

The RSPCA also works as the local pound and they don't have a large kennel area but yeah that's all I have to say on it

poor little puppies

--Lhok

100 dogs were saved and re-homed. There's only so many resources that can be used and there are soooooo many dogs in need. I doubt the staff at the RSPCA take putting to sleep any dog lightly, but I am afraid every time space is kept for dogs they know they won't be able to rehome, or will be back in a few days because they are Hudini's, there is a dog which could be re-homed but not given the chance because of lack of room and resources.

[mita]

Please correct me if I am wrong but when they said she was restricted to three dogs (unbelievable) but I thought they said in NSW. Does this mean she can move interstate with no restrictions on her owning more dogs.

I heard that, too. And was stunned. I'd expect someone who'd offended to that horrendous degree would be banned from owning dogs for a lengthy period....or, better still, for life. But I don't know if NSW law allows for that.

I'd expect if she moves interstate, she'd then be subject to a different law.

[HugUrPup]

I still don't understand their thinking allowing her to own 3 dogs when she quite happily starved, neglected and walked out on 140. She's obviously not a dog lover I guess they figure she wouldn't bother owning a dog if she can breed from it and make money off it.

Oh and $9k..come off it.. I know people who have done time for shop lifting or not paying parking fines.

[mita]

[Exactly, Mita. I didn't mean to compare but it made me feel physically ill to read that the punishment was a mere slap on the wrist and they can still own dogs etc for all the dogs they tortured. More proof that reg'd breeders are easy targets IMO.

That's fine, SP. I get what you're saying. It does make you mad that a 'regulation' offence would be 'up there' with appalling cruelty, in terms of punishment.

Gee, I'd be looking to ban that puppy farmer from owning dogs for life!

[juice]

for the rspca i thought keeping 100 wasn't bad, then i realised they were cav's etc, good rehome prospects, more cash in, bet if they were 140 greys not that many would have made it

[~Anne~]

Was 'Timmy' Ripley's mums dog? Ripley???

I know that Ripley was saying her mum had adopted a little Cav from an RSPCA puppy farm raid that was going to be shown on TV.

[Kelly_Louise]

This episode really made me cry at the cruelty. Watching that poor dog get the matted fur shaved was heart breaking. Seeing the fear and timidity of some just made me shake my head and feel so sad...

What I don't understand is... the condition of some of those dogs were absolutely APPALLING. Why in Dog's name would they leave 24 dogs there? SURELY they would have had ample ammunition to take them all? I think the end result of them having been left without food or water, not being cared for (like the other 100) and the owners up and left was something even I could have foreseen. I'm sure there were reasons, however, for the life of me I just can't fathom why they left some there in the first place...

Secondly... a $9000 fine? Seriously... is that all? And they are still allowed to own 3 dogs??? Someone is kidding me right? Did the judge not see what we saw - does society not care because they are just 'dogs'? Some of those dogs were so matted they looked like they had big solid tumours hanging off them... they left 24 to starve and die and the rest were clearly uncared for... there were 150 dogs in one house - 150 - how is that okay and how can someone care for that many dogs... but they are STILL allowed to own 3 dogs? WHY?

I just don't get it... people that treat animals like this makes me lose faith in humans, and to have them get a little wrist slap and are free to do it again just makes it worse. Maybe it's better that I don't get it... It would probably make the situation even sadder.

I was so glad to see some happy ending stories though. Especially Pippin the poodle (how HAPPY did he look - running with tongue flappin' in the breeze ) and that poor little timid boy... I cried when he was so afraid he couldn't even lift his head up... and even though he still looked timid, at least he looked happy and loved in his new home. Bless all the people that helped the dogs that did survive, and gave them a chance.

Poor buggers... but as long as people are allowed to get away with it, there will always be such cases...

[ellz]

I'm going to buck the trend and say that euthing the dogs was quite possibly a good move.

After my involvement with a cruelty case here in Tasmania in 1989 which involved 107 dogs, I can honestly say that dogs which have lived for a period of time in such an environment rarely, even with the best of care and intentions, acclimatise.

Of the 50-odd dogs that were rehomed from the Tasmanian situation, the vast majority of them were subsequently euthed for aggression and fear issues. It would have been kinder to the dogs and their adopters had they not been placed in the situation in the first place.

[ellz]

Please correct me if I am wrong but when they said she was restricted to three dogs (unbelievable) but I thought they said in NSW. Does this mean she can move interstate with no restrictions on her owning more dogs.

In a nutshell...yes. In many cases there are no "reciprocal agreements" and not all states have legislation that allows an individual to either be limited to a certain number of dogs OR to be prevented from owning dogs at all.

In the case of the Tasmanian situation I mentioned, the couple involved had dogs farmed out with friends who then sent them interstate. When the court hearing was over, the couple themselves moved interstate and got their dogs back. They were still breeding dogs in another part of Australia until one of the couple passed away a couple of years ago and I have a feeling that the other one is still breeding dogs even now.

[kchogan]

i was just woundering who makes the call to put these poor animals asleep, maby if they had more time and people willing to spend with these poor animals they may have come good. to me the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" they were refering to man not animal.

if i am wrong please correct me.

[~Anne~]

i was just woundering who makes the call to put these poor animals asleep, maby if they had more time and people willing to spend with these poor animals they may have come good. to me the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" they were refering to man not animal.

if i am wrong please correct me.

Many are too badly traumatized in these places to come good though. Sometimes, the better option is to euth and use the available resources for animals that can be helped and saved. It is awful to think that it happens, but it is life. Not every dog can be saved sadly.

Edited February 10, 2010 by ~Anne~

[ellz]

i was just woundering who makes the call to put these poor animals asleep, maby if they had more time and people willing to spend with these poor animals they may have come good. to me the saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" they were refering to man not animal.

if i am wrong please correct me.

Not all dogs can be rehabilitated no matter how much time or love they are given. Sometimes, they are just far too damaged to be helped.

[Kelly_Louise]

Not all dogs can be rehabilitated no matter how much time or love they are given. Sometimes, they are just far too damaged to be helped.

Very true unfortunately... and there are dogs that are just better off being put to sleep, it's kinder than what they live through. I'm sure they did what they could for those that had a chance.

Unfortunately, with inhumane people like this in the world that can do this to dogs and allow such cruelty and neglect... there will always be someone on the other side who has to make the hard decisions, has to deal with the trauma and sadness... has to take responsibility.

It's not a pleasant job I wouldn't imagine... and one made even worse by the criticism that it opens them up to.

We need to be aiming the shots at the people who have ACTUALLY done the wrong thing in the first place, start making THEM accountable, start educating them, and start REALLY punishing those who can not do the right thing by the animals.

[Jed]

The raid was a good thing. This person lost her ANKC membership some time ago.

The dogs I saw on TV were in good condition, but the coated ones were terribly matted, and obviously didn't receive enough care. The pups and mothers were in good condition too.

I didn't think the poodle was too bad - he was very good about being clipped by strangers in a strange place, and I don't think his behaviour in the pound was too bad either. Stress from being with strange people and in a strange place could have accounted for his behaviour.

As to the dogs euthed - who knows? The cavs I saw were a bit timorous - but I thought about mine.... If someone comes, they jump all over them, they are friendly when out, but if a stranger grabbed one and put it in a crate in a strange car - it would be frightened, and do the eyeroll and crouch. If they went to the pound, they would be terrified. Some lines are not as brave as others either. One of my girls would freak out, although she is friendly and kissy, and climbs on visitors for cuddles, she is not at all brave.

But who knows, it was a short segment on a TV show. I think I will simply say "well done" to the RSPCA.

And I don't know that the dogs were simply randomly breeding and whelping. My males and females run together, and they certainly aren't randomly breeding. They are locked up when in season, but if you came here, you would see them all together. Boy dogs aren't wild animals, they should be allowed to interact with the girls, that's how they do best.

And I don't think those bitches would have been whelping in the middle of all those dogs, because one of the other dogs would have killed the pups. I was a bit taken aback about that, but decided it was "tv talk".

It seems to me that this is another person who started off ok (as far as I know, she used to show successfully) and the longer it went, the more out of control it got. Just mindlessly breeding. I can never understand why these puppy farmers do not use some of the profits to build decent facilities, but they rarely seem to. Just greed at the expense of the poor little dogs.

Many people are swayed by greed. I wonder if they don't notice that the care of the dogs is going downhill, it happens gradually. They keep 20 with no problems, they make some $$, they up to 40, it's all good, more $$, then they get to 60, and it begins to go downhill gradually, and they don't notice, it all seems normal to them. Don't think I am excusing it, I'm not, but I always wonder how things could get to that stage, with the owners thinking it is ok. Maybe they don't care.

I know a puppy farmer. The facilites are as good as you'd find. Dogs live in groups of 4 - 6, they have decent size sheds as kennels, they have about 1/2 acre fenced run around each shed. They have runs of a couple of acres with trees, bushes etc where they are let out every day. Some of the dogs go out onto the property every day for an off lead run. I suppose, in the course of a week, every dog would have been allowed a few hours running loose on the property. Dogs are properly clipped off, and properly fed. Bitches are whelped and kept in the house. A couple of dogs might be taken out every time the car goes anywhere. The farm has been turned over to the production of puppies, but care and thought, and money, have been put into it.

I'm not condoning it, because I don't think dogs are agricultural animals, but it doesn't have to be the same as the ones shown on TV. Yet the majority seem to be like the ones shown on TV.

It seems to me rather a shame that over the years, so many registered breeders opted out, and left room for the pf to grow and proliferate. There was a time when registered breeders with 5, 8 or 10 dogs supplied all the market. If registered breeders of the same ilk had increased in proportion to demand, these wretched puppy farms would never have got off the ground. Maybe for mongrel crosses, I don't know.

Ellz

I have a feeling that the other one is still breeding dogs even now.

*nods*

Some of the dogs from this one have gone to new, knowledgable homes. (Read *stolen* ) They have all settled in well, and are happy. It took time and work with some - particularly those who had never had a hand on them - but they are all ok. But they went to people with the knowledge, committment and time to make a difference. I see a couple quite often, and they are fine.