Purebred Vs Designer Mutts Channel 9 Morning Show

[MissMolly]

Too hard, not playing

Ok i am confused, In one post your were complaining about the price of purebreds and now you are saying price isn't the issue. I can buy a pure bred cavalier cheaper from a ethcial breeder then I could from a pet shop..

And I think you are missing the point, most people get annoyed because breeders of so called designer dogs do not do any sort of health tests for their dogs, because they are foolish enough to believe there is no health issues..

When you were looking at getting your rescue dogs I bet you didn"t see many if pure bred dogs there... Most dogs in the rpsca and rescues are crosses and lots of them are your so called designer bred dogs..

[centitout]

I must be a total snob then,i used to show horses AND i sell mine for $1400

Elite puppy farmers my arse-do you have the faintest idea of the amount of work/money/time and heartache that goes into producing a litter that you take pride in-then the ongoing costs involved in new bloodlines,health testing,showing,dog sports and just their normal everyday husbandry?? So someone like you can have a beautiful,healthy,sane PUREBRED pet.

You really havent a clue

Well I firmly believe you just comfirmed my argument. What you are saying there is that the cost is justified because you view it as a job.

Don't get me wrong, not for one second do I condone pet shops selling dogs, or any animal for that matter and firmly believe that it should be made law that they can not sell live animals. But seriously, have a look at what has been written to my poking, for the most part it consists of self noting and bitchiness.

Well,my puppy owners are very happy with my "self noting".It is not a job,it is my passion/hobby whatever you would like to call it.There is no way i would spend tens of thousands if it was just my "job".I do it because i love the breed,i love my dogs and i love seeing someone with the same passion as me being able to own one and it is not easy to do that.

And i have rescued various dogs in the past,and also owned many a crossbred,some healthy,some far from it.

And no way are the costs for my hobby reflected in the price-you would be paying many ,many times more than that if i chose to do that.

[Esky the husky]

Most purebred dogs don't cost $2,000. Costs range.. stud fees, health testing, whelping, vaccination, microchipping, registration. Of course if you don't vaccinate, register, microchip, take the bitch or pups to the vet or bother health testing, all the purchase price is pure profit, even if it is $100's less.

Never ceases to amaze me that people seem reluctant to pay a reasonable price for a dog but don't blink an eyelid at paying more for a television or a car. I know which of those is likely to still be in the family after 10 years. Only one of those will be something most young children interact with every day.

Many people probably do more homework on which telly or white goods or car to buy than they do on which dog to buy. Would you buy a car that someone with zero mechanical knowledge had thrown together in a backyard garage from a mix of Toyota Landcruiser and Prius parts? People do that with dogs all the time.

I have never walked into a car yard on impulse and said.. "I"ll have the blue one, it looks cute" and bought it without test driving it. That's what people do in pet shops.

Even though this was posted 1 page back

I really have to say this is one of the best analogies I've ever heard

[casowner]

You are all missing my point and proving it at the same time, lol

I never said anything about petshops except they should NOT be allowed to sell live animals. And it wasn't really about price, it is that most of you think you are somehow better because your dog is pure bred. A animal is a animal and all should be respected and loved the same, are you purebred?

Our last dog was a cross who was on death row at AWL, he was 3. We lost him in 2008 at the ripe old age of 16. We now have two shelter dogs who are 18months and 2, neither have any issue at all.

No much better buying dogs from a shelter that doesn't desex all of them, but that is justified apparently. Have you wondered where your crossbreed dogs have originated I bet they weren't from a pet shop? Getting sold undesexed I'm sure they will be around for generations to come though.

I am very happy with my limited register pure bred dog and just as happy with my pom cross rescue that I got from a shelter, however my next dog will be pure bred too.

Edited February 11, 2010 by casowner

[poodlefan]

Bryan_Mannix

I concur. My view is that those in the CCs are experts in squeezing their sturdy frames into millers "fashion" items and being over officious in running their little shows.

Remind me to stay on your good side Bryan!

[poodlefan]

Most purebred dogs don't cost $2,000. Costs range.. stud fees, health testing, whelping, vaccination, microchipping, registration. Of course if you don't vaccinate, register, microchip, take the bitch or pups to the vet or bother health testing, all the purchase price is pure profit, even if it is $100's less.

Never ceases to amaze me that people seem reluctant to pay a reasonable price for a dog but don't blink an eyelid at paying more for a television or a car. I know which of those is likely to still be in the family after 10 years. Only one of those will be something most young children interact with every day.

Many people probably do more homework on which telly or white goods or car to buy than they do on which dog to buy. Would you buy a car that someone with zero mechanical knowledge had thrown together in a backyard garage from a mix of Toyota Landcruiser and Prius parts? People do that with dogs all the time.

I have never walked into a car yard on impulse and said.. "I"ll have the blue one, it looks cute" and bought it without test driving it. That's what people do in pet shops.

Even though this was posted 1 page back

I really have to say this is one of the best analogies I've ever heard

I'll confess I did once buy a car cos it was blue and cute. ;)

But I did drive it and read reviews on it first. AND I bought it from a licensed dealer and with a warranty.

And it wasn't a Toyota.

Edited February 11, 2010 by poodlefan

[mita]

When choosing a cross-bred puppy, meeting the parents is the best thing you can do. Consider whether one or other of their parents would suit you and if you are happy with the temperament. Also consider the puppy's likely temperament, exercise needs, grooming requirements, energy levels and whether it is mainly going to be an indoor or an outdoor dog. It is ridiculous to pay more than $1000 when you know little information about the pup you are buying.

/quote]

Simple bromides, in this quote from the Pet Association person. Meeting the parents of a cross-breed, does not present a picture window to the genetic inheritance of the puppy.

To check on any issues in a bloodline, it's necessary to know both the depth & breadth of inheritance. Which the system of registration of purebreds allows. That's the means by which key information about a puppy can be found out. This person hasn't grasped that's what you pay for, when you buy a purebred from a registered breeder. She needs to drop highly emotional words like 'ridiculous' & do some rational thinking.

No wonder a word like 'elite' gets used (erroneously to denote something 'bad'). It relates to a higher level of skill & knowledge. The products & consequences of which are worth paying for.

Edited February 11, 2010 by mita

[mita]

My view is that those in the CCs are experts in squeezing their sturdy frames into millers "fashion" items and being over officious in running their little shows.

Yes.....as you say 'your view'.

[centitout]

Most of the DD'S and crossbreds you see in the pet shops are well over $1000-you dont get to meet their parents,siblings,talk to others that may have bought some of your dogs from previous litters etc,so i cant understand the comment about paying over $1000 if you dont get to meet the parents etc????

Do petshops ,DD /crossbreeders that send everything by air/os let you meet the parents etc?

[mita]

Most of the DD'S and crossbreds you see in the pet shops are well over $1000-you dont get to meet their parents,siblings,talk to others that may have bought some of your dogs from previous litters etc,so i cant understand the comment about paying over $1000 if you dont get to meet the parents etc????

Do petshops ,DD /crossbreeders that send everything by air/os let you meet the parents etc?

Exactly.

The registration process re purebreds allows people to track parent dogs.....& their litter mates (breadth of breeding) as well as previous litters & parents/grandparents. All is documented....& breeders and owners are traceable.

All of this, is not just a matter of interest for prospective or new buyers searching out temperamental & health & conformation factors. This is also how intervention for any problems can be targeted.

For example, a prominent researcher on Hip Dysplasia recommends.....when making breeding decisions.....that the littermates of proposed parent dogs be tracked & checked, not only the parents & grandparents.

So the registration process is worth its weight in gold....to both pet owners & breeders. Which represents value for money when buying a puppy directly from a registered breeder who lives up to a code of ethics & is committed to developing the breed.

Edited February 12, 2010 by mita

[2PUGS2LOVE]

Not really getting into sides with this...all I will say is that even those of us who own pure breeds know that at 1 time or another there was no such thing...depends on if you believe in creation v's evolution I suppose. All purebreeds had to start somewhere. We are at a place in time where standards have been set and a lot is known about genetics and health. I think we all know that breeders in the past (and I'd like to way in the distant past) where breed had less to do with the dog and more to do with what was sought after in the ring. Time are changing. Maybe these new DD are just the next generation. To be honest I can't say that they have ever interested me but I've not had children with asthma - correct me if i'm wrong but I think that is the main benefit touted by these breeders isn't it? If I was going to get a cross breed I'd get a shelter dog (which I did - and he is fab).

I don't care if you have a $5k Pure or a $0.50 mutt...or a moggy for that matter - I don't want to see these guys in shopping malls and pet shops; they aren't 'stock' or 'inventory'....what happens at the end of June - do they have a stocktake sale?!? With every puppy you get a kitten and 2 goldfish?

I think it is a sad indictment on our society that every time you turn around there is another of these shops springing up.

[kirst_goldens]

Working in a boarding kennel... all i see is DD and they are so far from ok... i think at a rough idea... about 2 in ten are anygood? the others all have unstable temperament - many fearful as owners are not taught about correct socialising with humans and other animals, they all have different coat types (one pair in particular comes to mind and they are said by the owners to be from the same parentage... one has an irish wolf hound type coat with poodle curls and is labrador height and poodle build, the other is about cocker height has poodle muzzle, with long straight bright orange coat and a super long tail...) there is no way to come anywhere close to getting a standard from these dogs...

i know there is a few breeders moving to get the lab X poodle registered as a purebreed... but how when these are the outcomes??

I have NEVER met a poodle cross which looks or behaves anything like another one... EVER

i would rather a pound dog over any of these mixes... and if u really want a poodle X then get it from a shelter! there are PLENTY there, its not rocket science

[huski]

Well I firmly believe you just comfirmed my argument. What you are saying there is that the cost is justified because you view it as a job.

Don't get me wrong, not for one second do I condone pet shops selling dogs, or any animal for that matter and firmly believe that it should be made law that they can not sell live animals. But seriously, have a look at what has been written to my poking, for the most part it consists of self noting and bitchiness.

Going by your posts, Buddy n Burt, it appears you don't actually understand what a puppy farmer is.

A puppy farmer breeds dogs as a commercial business - we are talking pumping out often hundreds of puppies a year.

Surely you don't think that all purebred breeders are puppy farmers simply because they take breeding their dogs very seriously - someone who breeds a couple of litters a year cannot be classified as a puppy farmer.

[spot]

You are all missing my point and proving it at the same time, lol

I never said anything about petshops except they should NOT be allowed to sell live animals. And it wasn't really about price, it is that most of you think you are somehow better because your dog is pure bred. A animal is a animal and all should be respected and loved the same, are you purebred?

No, I don't think I'm better. I think my dog is better off for going to a home that was fully prepared to manage him as an adult.

I bought my pup as a baby knowing how he'd turn out in terms of size, coat type and temperament. I knew who his mum and dad were and what they were like. I knew pretty much what he'd be like as an adult. How much food and exercise he'd need. What he'd be like to train and live with. I've had assistance and advice from his breeder, with whom I still talk regularly.

At my dog club I see people who bought a pup thinking it would be a certain type of adult and got a rude shock. They get dogs bigger, noisier, more energetic and harder to groom than they had planned for. Lots of those kinds of dogs end up in the pound. Their owners didn't realise that meeting mum is the best indicator of the sort of temperament their pup might inherit. Or they thought they'd get only the good points of two breeds and got something else.

The reasons people should buy registered purebred pups have nothing to do with racism:

1. They can select something that has a good certainty of growing into the kind of dog they want to own.

2. They can select a pup from a breeder that is knowledgeable about the breed and can assist them as it grows AND they can have some certainty that it will not inherit heartbreaking but preventable genetic health conditions.

Poodlefan, very eloquently put. I agree whole heartedly.