MonElite Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Do you get influenced by others? Not by what they say but being around someone that does something differently to you. I think I do. When I train with PAX on a very odd occasion I go all happy and sillly with my dogs, and I reward 20 times more, as if I dont she yells at me :D Abnd PAX is a fantastic trainer :D But now I had been on a farm for few days, and before that around Xmas for over a week, with farm dogs. Herding dogs, pig dogs, working dogs that are not pets. And those dogs on farms, hardly ever get a pet, they are more likely to get a kick then a reward, yet those that I had seen knew their jobs really well. When I was around the sheep herding dogs, the guy used to crack the whip as a correction, never touched the dog, but they knew they are doing wrong. All the farm dogs had tip top recalls, and none of them was taught with an ecollar. Of course they couldnt sit, drop or heel with attention but they did what they supposed to do and did it well. And there was the getting on the ute/track and getting off the ute/track stuff. So one of the herding dogs (6 months old pupp) was I guess not fully trained in the "truck" command, if it didnt jump on straight away it got picked up by the owner and forcefully thrown onto the ute, no mercy. Best command I had seen was "no shit" :D Two dogs jumped off the moving truck to chase something, they were in full prey drive, the owner yelled out "no shit" and they both returned, no questions asked, and jumped back on while the car was still moving. That was impressive. So there I am last night with my two dogs, and not my car, and Divani decided to jump out from the car when I didnt want her to, I told her to get back in, she didnt, so I virtually picked her up and trew her in, yelling "truck" Then thought to myself - by my comand for getting in the car is not "truck" what an idiot am I. Mind you she had no problem getting into the car later on Do you see others do something and subconsiously do something simmilar later? Or are you tip top set in your own ways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vickie Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Do you get influenced by others? Not by what they say but being around someone that does something differently to you. I definitely do. The day I stop getting influenced is the day I stop learning. When I train with PAX on a very odd occasion I go all happy and sillly with my dogs, and I reward 20 times more, as if I dont she yells at me :D Abnd PAX is a fantastic trainer :D Ditto Don't you hate it when she yells at you :D she's kind of scary isn't she! And those dogs on farms, hardly ever get a pet, they are more likely to get a kick then a reward, yet those that I had seen knew their jobs really well. They get rewarded all the time...the reward is the work they get to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) They get rewarded all the time...the reward is the work they get to do. True, I meant - rewarded by the handler, such as a pet, treat etc. They really get none of that, occasional pet thats about it. Don't you hate it when she yells at you :D she's kind of scary isn't she! Hell yes!! :D Edited February 1, 2010 by MonElite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 (edited) :D yep know what your saying - it happens when I have had the good fortune of being able to train with Ptolomy and Bedazzledx2. :D Funny I always lift my game bigtime in the trial ring when I travel West and know they are standing outside ready to beat me if I don't do as I am suppose to :D . When its your first UD trial and you know you have their eagle eyes watching (along with Sue H) you are too scared not to make sure the dog has a good time and that you get all your turns just perfect. No surprises that Ness pull off her best round at the Royal the year they came over. Think they have me well and truely brainwashed . Edited February 2, 2010 by ness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavik Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Definitely get influenced by others - I get to train and pick the brains of lots of great trainers and handlers Getting to train with Vickie, Casima, Canine Fun Sports among others is great and I get diverse opinions and methods. I have not yet had the pleasure of training with PAX, maybe I should give it a try :D Edited February 2, 2010 by Kavik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spotted Devil Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I used to be influenced by what others do but less and less so now - by this I only mean when we are training around others. I constantly observe and evaluate other training methods etc but then I try to consciously use what I've learned in a specific training session (to see if it works) rather than train differently depending who is around me. This is mainly because I think I finally understand my dog - and he really is a bit different especially in terms of motivating and maintaining excellent focus and I don't want him to choose to "switch off". When I've been to obedience seminars (Sue H's in particular) I haven't had a working spot, which I think is perfect for me at the stage I am at. It gives me time to break the ideas down, analyse their effectiveness and apply them carefully. Sorry for the ramble but it makes sense in my head :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tassie Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 ...So there I am last night with my two dogs, and not my car, and Divani decided to jump out from the car when I didnt want her to, I told her to get back in, she didnt, so I virtually picked her up and trew her in, yelling "truck" Then thought to myself - by my comand for getting in the car is not "truck" what an idiot am I. Mind you she had no problem getting into the car later on Do you see others do something and subconsiously do something simmilar later? Or are you tip top set in your own ways? :D I did something like that at the Stacy Peardot-Goudy seminar a couple of years ago. After a day or so of listening to Satcy calling the see-saw a teeter (of course), I was running a sequence with Kirra and directed her to the 'teeter' - good little girl was obviously reading the handling, not the verbal, 'cos she didn't miss a beat. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 My comand for down is DOWN, but countless times I said DROP to my dogs and Rex understands both, in fact he is bilingual as he understands some somand in both English and Polish. Now I on occasion will say a German PLATZ or FUS for heel. Especially if I have handeled someones dog that has German comands. But after seeing people being a lot more forcefull I somewhat went forcefull with my dogs yesterday. Didnt seem to effect the girls, which just means Im a bloody pussy most of the time Uppppssss better not say that Paxy might read it and be forecefull with me next tiem she sees me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-j Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 But now I had been on a farm for few days, and before that around Xmas for over a week, with farm dogs. Herding dogs, pig dogs, working dogs that are not pets.And those dogs on farms, hardly ever get a pet, they are more likely to get a kick then a reward, yet those that I had seen knew their jobs really well. Yes but the hours they get worked for far outweigh what the average owner works their dog for and as was said the majority of their work is highly rewarding so they are prepared to take the knocks as they realise doing as they have been told is contingient on them getting the reward of doing what they like. Not all dogs that are trained for these jobs make it either and alot of the time it is because the owners are too hard for that particular dog, I say this because there has been a fair few times that I have seen/ heard of the dog being given to someone as useless and turn out to be a good worker because the second owner was just a little more patient/tolerant. cheers M-J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I hardly ever get to train with anyone talented. Woe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerraNik Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Yep, of course! I agree with Vickie on this one - it's part of learning. I love training with other people or just simply watching others train. You can learn a LOT! I've done the same thing with various voice cues when I've handled other dogs, MonElite! Thankfully all the hand signals have been the same! My poor dogs must think I'm st00pid sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 I hardly ever get to train with anyone talented. Woe. You are in Sydney plenty of good trainers around, just need to accept that they might have a slightly different opinion to yours sometimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsaw Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Uppppssss better not say that Paxy might read it and be forecefull with me next tiem she sees me.... No, Paxy can't read! Sorry that's my dog's name!! Love seeing PAX work Chill! MonElite did you come up to one of the training trials in Newcastle? We were next to a Dobe in the stays for CCD maybe that was you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 MonElite did you come up to one of the training trials in Newcastle? We were next to a Dobe in the stays for CCD maybe that was you?? Yes it was me, Ill be there at the next trial as well with both my girls this time, last time I only had the pup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigsaw Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I'll be there at the next one too with the mad koolie Paxy! See you there!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 After watching Susan G DVDs I walk around saying 'good girlie' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ness Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Oh gawd Jules yeah I started sounding like SG when I trained after watching one to many of her dvds too . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonElite Posted February 3, 2010 Author Share Posted February 3, 2010 After watching Susan G DVDs I walk around saying 'good girlie' :D On a weekend I watched a handler speak to his dog in Polish and I knew all the comands. Including the "good dog" Polish being my first language - and there I am I now say good dog in Polish to my dogs, where I usually didnt :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I do the Susan Garrett "Good Girlie" thing too And I found myself making those weird praise / rev up noises she makes :D I'm still learning in a big way so I really enjoy watching others train, especially more experienced people who seem to have 'structure' that I am missing in my training (I think that comes from knowing exactly what your end goal is, whereas I am still learning along the way because I'm training my first dog). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted February 3, 2010 Share Posted February 3, 2010 I now say good dog in Polish to my dogs, where I usually didnt What is "good dog" in Polish, MonElite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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