FHRP Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Over five years ago wheat in dog food was the norm, itchy skin was rare? Now raw food is the way to go .. itchy skin is in. Guess it's like me in a way, I do my best to eat good food and when I don't .. I know all about it! Wish itchy skin was rare over 5 years ago!! My Labrador that I had 15 years ago that was no doubt raised on the cheapest food around (pet store pup) had severe food allergies that left him itching like crazy, poor sod! He was put onto a raw roo and rice diet which helped immensely... The litter I raised 10 years ago completely on raw have not had any issues with food that I've heard of. The one I had direct regular contact with, showing her when young, went onto a commercial diet (not when with me ) and never had any issues. Persoanlly I think it's the individual dogs you've met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumsy Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 QUOTE (mumsy @ 27th Jan 2010 - 09:03 AM) QUOTE (TeamSnag @ 27th Jan 2010 - 08:00 AM) I been there tried BARF all my dogs did was shit!!! So now they have royal canin and some meat and other things mixed in, and bones here and there.. Glad to be back to 2 shits a day We have a new puppy and he has a BM about six times a day. Is this typical on BARF? This is our first puppy although we have had an adult dog before. Is there a link on DOL to more info on BARF. My concerns with this diet for us is getting the balance and all the nutrients right. Puppies poo more than adult dogs.What are you feeding him? He is on cereals and milk with yougurt twice a day and raw meat with veg and or rice ( or gluten free pasta) twice a day. Sometimes an egg yolk mixed in or a little cheese . He gets a little bit of kibble in his kong to keep him busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Midniara~ Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 (edited) He is on cereals and milk twice a day . Cereals and milk will definitely make him poo a great deal more than he should. I definitely would be cutting this out of his diet completely. My pups start showing signs of lactose intollerance at around 5-6 weeks. Edited January 26, 2010 by ~Midniara~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumsy Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I wondered about the lactose intolerance. Instead of the cereall and milk meal, what would you replace it with? Is yougurt or cheese still okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Midniara~ Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I wondered about the lactose intolerance. Instead of the cereall and milk meal, what would you replace it with? Is yougurt or cheese still okay? Yoghurt and small amounts of cheese are fine. Cereal is the killer in the diet you've mentioned as it is packed full of grains. Some dogs aren't lactose intolerant and so it depends on what your pup was raised on. Did the breeder give you a diet sheet to folllow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Raw meat as in meat without bone ? Mince, bones? How old is he? What cereal? Are you cooking the vegies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 He is on cereals and milk with yougurt twice a day and raw meat with veg and or rice ( or gluten free pasta) twice a day. Sometimes an egg yolk mixed in or a little cheese . He gets a little bit of kibble in his kong to keep him busy. I have bolded the parts of your pups diet that I personally think totally unnecessary for a canine. ;) and underlined the bit that has me worried Whole egg, not just the yolk, including the shell, raw meat on the bone offal including green tripe (and if you can't buy green tripe or can't stand the stuff, un-bold the vege and add a little bit. Mammals don't naturally consume milk after weaning - yoghurt, cheese, milk, whatever are all milk, and not the type of milk a dog is designed to drink either. With a very small puppy it's not necessarily harmful because IMO we wean pups earlier than they would "in the wild" but it's not essential either. Whatever suits your dog is fine, but if he's pooping out that much it's obvious proof that whatever is going in is not being digested so if you want him to poop less, feed him stuff he can digest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Over five years ago wheat in dog food was the norm, itchy skin was rare? Now raw food is the way to go .. itchy skin is in. Guess it's like me in a way, I do my best to eat good food and when I don't .. I know all about it! No offense, but I think the time frames you mention are possibly a reflection of your own length of experience rather than the reality. I haven't had skin problems in my dogs ( touch wood) but I have known of friends' supermarket fed dogs going back over 20 years with skin problems as bad as anything I see today. Nor is raw feeding new. It's just gotten a bit more trendy again after falling out of fashion for a while with the mass promotion of commercial foods. It's been commercialised itself these days too, with the books and websites and ready made raw foods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvsdogs Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 (edited) He is on cereals and milk with yougurt twice a day and raw meat with veg and or rice ( or gluten free pasta) twice a day. Sometimes an egg yolk mixed in or a little cheese . He gets a little bit of kibble in his kong to keep him busy. I have bolded the parts of your pups diet that I personally think totally unnecessary for a canine. ;) and underlined the bit that has me worried Whole egg, not just the yolk, including the shell, raw meat on the bone offal including green tripe (and if you can't buy green tripe or can't stand the stuff, un-bold the vege and add a little bit. Mammals don't naturally consume milk after weaning - yoghurt, cheese, milk, whatever are all milk, and not the type of milk a dog is designed to drink either. With a very small puppy it's not necessarily harmful because IMO we wean pups earlier than they would "in the wild" but it's not essential either. Whatever suits your dog is fine, but if he's pooping out that much it's obvious proof that whatever is going in is not being digested so if you want him to poop less, feed him stuff he can digest I cringed when I saw this diet. Who told you to feed your puppy this way? The whole point of going raw is to avoid all the grains that are in most commercial dog food. As well as the benefits to the dog's teeth & the exercise they get from ripping & tearing raw meaty bones. The easiest way to feed raw is to follow Tom Lonsdales recommendations. If you want to have the hassle of doing all those veggie patties you follow Ian Billinhurst, he does do the patties but my dogs wouldn't touch them. I have all the books by both men & Lonsdales is the way I think dogs were fed b4 commercial food. Watch the video clips in this link, not real good quality but worth a look. http://www.rawmeatybones.com/tvVideo/video.php Edited January 26, 2010 by luvsdogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest belgian.blue Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Sorry will learn to keep my mouth shut, I should know this by now A silly idea to post that I should have just kept internally, something I do best .. But everything everyone else posted is very true, sorry for my foolishness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebanne Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 , before raw was spoken about? raw has been talked about for a lot longer than 6 years. Maybe you just weren't aware of it. I bought my 1st book on BARF at least 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 But everything everyone else posted is very true, sorry for my foolishness. LOL, don't take it to heart, I love a good diet thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumsy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Okay. the meat I got from the breeder. It is pet mince freshly frozen and then defrosted each day. About 250gm a day at the moment. The cereal is a human cereal ( mixed grains etc) or she said weetbix or similar. About equal amounts of gluten free pasta or basmati rice as meat. His veg at this point have mostly been grated carrot with some leftover steamed veg from our dinner. The kibble was just to put something in his Kong to keep him playing with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumsy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 This IS the diet the breeder told me to follow. She gave me the meat, cereal and gluten free pasta. Happy for all suggestions cause we would really love to get this right!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvsdogs Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Much better to give chunks of raw meat than mince which is stodgy. Make them big enough so he has to chew & rip into it rather than just swallow whole. Much better to give raw meaty bones but cut off excess fat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 This IS the diet the breeder told me to follow. She gave me the meat, cereal and gluten free pasta. Happy for all suggestions cause we would really love to get this right!! I would be really worried about him not getting enough calcium (assuming that the mince if of the beef variety and not chicken which contains a lot of bone - but not much meat)- does he get any bones to eat? Personally, I think you either need to research raw very well (and BARF is just one raw diet) or stick to a high quality kibble and give hima chicken wing/lamb neck every few days. A good commercial diet is much better than a really crap "natural" one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumsy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 I haven't given any bones yet but we have only had him less than a week. It is beef pet mince not chicken. I too am concerned about keeping all the nutrients in his diet. Is it better to go chicken as well with all the bone in it? Will start researching this afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpikesPuppy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 What breed is he? Chicken necks or wings are great for puppies to munch on (however I always supervise and hold it at first to teach the pup to chew and not swallow it whole ). I feed my dogs mostly on high quality kibble- I don't trust myself to do a correct BARF diet. However they get chicken frames (whole), chicken necks, beef chunks, some Nature's Gift tinned, tinned fish, and pet mince (however we only buy this from the one pet shop where we are certain of the quality & freshness). Also get some dog roll (PRIME or 4 Legs- PRIME has a great 100% shredded beef roll which freezes perfectly)) or 4 Legs fresh cube thingys. As well as eggs and some leftovers etc. They get these 'additions' on different nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumsy Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 He is a boxer and is 11 weeks old now. At what age can you give them whole chicken frames? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 What sized breed are you talking about? My 8 week old Staffords (3-4kg each) munch up chicken wings and love a nice neck chop. Supervision is a must to start with, and definitely feed bigger rather than smaller - next step for these guys will be 1/2 or 1/4 chicken carcasses and things that size. 1/2 a sheeps heart causes great excitement at lunch time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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