kateshep Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hi, I'm looking at getting involved in obedience again with my dog but am looking for a club that has more of a balanced view on training instead of only P+ which does not suit the temperament of my dog. If people have any information and prefer to PM please do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Wow.. What a dog! Good luck finding a balanced club in WA- i am not sure if they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateshep Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) thanks for the comment about Abby Edited January 23, 2010 by kateshep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Where do you live??? and have you made enquiries with the Shepherd Club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateshep Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 Where do you live??? and have you made enquiries with the Shepherd Club? I live in the hills, so anything even in the CBD is easy to get too. I know people who have trained in the GSDWA club and last I heard it is only P+, I don't think they let you use a prong collar or check chain, but halti's, martingale instead which don't suit my dog, I may be wrong so I might just reconfirm that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I live in the hills, so anything even in the CBD is easy to get too. I know people who have trained in the GSDWA club and last I heard it is only P+, I don't think they let you use a prong collar or check chain, but halti's, martingale instead which don't suit my dog, I may be wrong so I might just reconfirm that. Only slightly off topic - but I thought that prong collars were illegal in WA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ptolomy Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) You will be able to get away with a check chain at most clubs but a pronged collar - er good luck! Its interesting that you consider any club that doesn't use these as P+. I think my interpretation and yours of "positive" are at opposite ends of the scale. But good luck anyway. Edited January 23, 2010 by Ptolomy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 I don't know of many places Australia wide that would let you use a prong collar. Is a martingale really not an option- even if you worked at distance to start with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Prong collars are only illegal in VIC, but a lot of clubs aren't allowed to use them as per the CC rules (I think - happy to be corrected!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateshep Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 You will be able to get away with a check chain at most clubs but a pronged collar - er good luck!Its interesting that you consider any club that doesn't use these as P+. I think my interpretation and yours of "positive" are at opposite ends of the scale. But good luck anyway. I'm not talking about positive/negative reinforcement as P+, I misjudged that most people would of categorised it with trainers that call themselves Purely positive - clickers and treats eg even though technically that is not all positive training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Prong collars are only illegal in VIC, but a lot of clubs aren't allowed to use them as per the CC rules (I think - happy to be corrected!) Aah OK, back when I took more interest in these things I thought I found a clause in WA legislation that prohibited either their import into the state or their use, can't remember which now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateshep Posted January 23, 2010 Author Share Posted January 23, 2010 (edited) I don't know of many places Australia wide that would let you use a prong collar. Is a martingale really not an option- even if you worked at distance to start with? One club got me doing that a couple of years ago and keeping the distance- the martingale was a very weak tool for me to use with her. Edited January 24, 2010 by kateshep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateshep Posted January 24, 2010 Author Share Posted January 24, 2010 seriously nobody knows any clubs ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedazzledx2 Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 There are no Dogs West affiliate clubs that would allow or endorse prong collars. Perhaps a private trainer would be able to help you make the transition to the mainstream clubs? seriously nobody knows any clubs ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 No. Even choke collars are banned from most clubs I have been to. You may have to have one on one training until you wean your dog into a normal collar. I also had a dog with a similar issue to the one you descibe with your shepard, I took 3 months just working on this issue using positive reinforcement. I taught my dog a watch command and rewarded him for watching me, slowly building up the stimulus from just being in a room with my other dog, to being at a park with the smell of strange dogs to being 300,200,100m away and kept building up, just rewarding him for focusing on me. Now he trains at agility offlead with many dogs in high drive around, I did not need to bully my dog into paying attention to me. seriously nobody knows any clubs ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 (edited) I did not need to bully my dog into paying attention to me. Bit of an assumption to assume everyone who uses a prong collar or anything other than P+ is bullying their dogs Edited January 24, 2010 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Probably I'm just in a bad mood. However I will say to the OP that show classes are more liberal about training tools and many have an obidience component. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 Probably I'm just in a bad mood. However I will say to the OP that show classes are more liberal about training tools and many have an obidience component. I think it's like I said earlier - most state canine control councils do not let member clubs use prong or e-collars. I could be wrong though, but I'm pretty sure that's the case here in QLD. Maybe someone like Erny will be able to clarify for us I personally don't see a difference between using a tool like a head collar and using a prong collar, both are a tool to help give the handler a bit more control so they can train the dog more effectively. Each dog is different and what tool works best depends on the dog, the handler and the situation Whether or not the tool is used properly and effectively depends entirely on how the handler is using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I agree to an extent but some of these devices are only a bandage and not a solutuion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted January 24, 2010 Share Posted January 24, 2010 I agree to an extent but some of these devices are only a bandage and not a solutuion. Any tool should always be used in conjunction with a training program No tool should ever be used as a quick fix or as an alternative to training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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