Jed Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Is anyone who lives in Frankston council area aware that if owned dogs and cats are impounded, they will not be released until they are desexed? It is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluefairy Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 What a great idea, its one way to get the unwanted strays down in numbers. I wish all councils did it. Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voloclydes Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 could this not be a misunderstading. as in re homed or non breeding stock? only.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loraine Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 The City of Canning has the same rule. If a dog is caught by the ranger and not neutered then the council can insist on it being sorted at the expense of the owner - only exception is if you can prove you are a breeder and the dog escaped by accident (very infrequently). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 It's illegal. Apart from the potential danger to the dog during the operation, and the legalities if the dog dies. voloclydes - all dogs and cats from what I can find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menacebear Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Unless the dog or cat is registered with the appropriate governing body and the owner as well. For example if you own a dog registered with the VCA/Vic Dogs and you are a member also the animal doesn't need desexing, even if it is on limited register. The only other exemptions are to do with age and health I think. If you dog was currently registered with the council before impoundment then it's not an issue. It was passed through state goverment so as far as I'm aware it is legal. Kingston council do it also. Most people don't like the law but they always seem to be the ones who were going to breed Fluffy/Tyson/Rocky to make heaps of money out of it all. Haven't seen it lowering the number of impounded dogs yet but it sure has uped the amount of abuse the pound staff cope on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I don't think this is a good idea at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menacebear Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 It's been in for ages. Around July 08 for frankston and Jan 09 for kingston from memory. These are 2 major councils over this way. Where they go others follow suit. Cardinia and bayside councils both have mandatory desexing of cats also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greytdog Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sister found a GR and turned it in to Keysborough Animal Shelter. She followed up (b/c she would have adopted it if the owners weren't found), and found out that the dog will be desexed even if the owners are the ones that claim it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 What a great idea, its one way to get the unwanted strays down in numbers. I wish all councils did it.Lynn How is this going to get unwanted strays down in numbers?? Any captured/desexed dog could be a repeat offender time and time again. It's not his balls that he uses to escape with Agreed, silly idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 menacebear It was passed through state goverment so as far as I'm aware it is legal. Surely it is only a regulation, I don't think state governments can enact that type of law. As far as I am aware, it is not legal I suppose, as with the councils seizing dogs suspected of being put bulls which aren't, the council will probably need a wake up call in court, to the tune of a few hundred grand for costs etc. when someone calls them on it and they lose. Is it only the unregistered dogs the council neuters? If the dog is entire and registered, what happens if it is roaming and goes to the pound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaz Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I dont understand, the first thing I hear on here when someone mentions their entire dog is causing trouble is "desex it". Then a council does what a lot of you would reccommend anyway and you are up in arms. I would imagine the number of breeders dogs picked up by the council is pretty low, and I agree there should be some way of ensuring these dogs are not desexed, but with the number of boguns in and around Franskston this is probably doing the community a service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmolo Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 greytdog- i have never known that to be the case. If it did happen, it would have been the councils decision, not AAPS. Personally i don't have an issue with mandatory desexing for dogs not registered with the canine council AND who get out and are not registered with the local council. Whats the issue with this? Cross breed, wandering, unregistered dogs getting desexed- i don't see the issue? Legislations like this IS needed to stop Bogun Joe down the road taking his entire unregistered wandering cross breed home to breed with. Provided the exmptions are there for registered purebreds, the young, old or ill- what is the problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menacebear Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 menacebearIt was passed through state goverment so as far as I'm aware it is legal. Surely it is only a regulation, I don't think state governments can enact that type of law. As far as I am aware, it is not legal I suppose, as with the councils seizing dogs suspected of being put bulls which aren't, the council will probably need a wake up call in court, to the tune of a few hundred grand for costs etc. when someone calls them on it and they lose. Is it only the unregistered dogs the council neuters? If the dog is entire and registered, what happens if it is roaming and goes to the pound? Yeah only dogs requiring first time registration are required to be desexed. If you own an entire dog that has always been registered the laws don't apply to you. Then you just pay a release fee and get your dog back. It basically means all puppies that are not from registered breeders in frankston council require microchipping and desexing before the council will register them. Obviously some people choose to simply not register to avoid doing this however if the dog is impounded and over 12 weeks old it must be registered before release. This is where people are made to desex their pet before they can have it back. There are plenty out there however who just surrender the animal because "it's cheaper to get a new one" or because they refuse to own a desexed animal. I don't particularly agree with the law as my partner and I own sporting dogs and working bred border collies(which even if registered with the working dog association are not exempt) however I thought most people on DOL would agree with it in essence at least. What this law basically means is that the only way to own and entire animal is to either not register it or buy one from a registered breeder. All dogs from pet stores, BYB's etc require desexing now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
menacebear Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I dont understand, the first thing I hear on here when someone mentions their entire dog is causing trouble is "desex it". Then a council does what a lot of you would reccommend anyway and you are up in arms.I would imagine the number of breeders dogs picked up by the council is pretty low, and I agree there should be some way of ensuring these dogs are not desexed, but with the number of boguns in and around Franskston this is probably doing the community a service. I've bolded the above part for reference-dogs are NEVER desed without the owner signing a consent form to have it done. All legal paperwork is done before anything procceds and if you dog is registered with the canine council and you can prove it there is no problem at all. Said dog goes home with all bits where they should be and nothing more than a rego tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greytdog Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 greytdog- i have never known that to be the case. If it did happen, it would have been the councils decision, not AAPS. I don't know - that is what she was told. She didn't have a problem with it (and if she'd adopted it, would have had him desexed anyway), but wondered what would happen if her own entire rotty escaped. This topic is interesting, and I'll tell her about the fact of being registered previously as entire. Her dogs have always been registered correctly, and she's very careful about preventing escape, but I suppose accidents can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 (edited) Thanks for that, menacebear. Can you keep an entire dog, which is not registered with VicDogs, and register it with the council? Or do they insist on you desexing it before it can be council registered? I understand that if dogs are impounded, council will not relase them unless they are desexed prior to release. This only applies to dogs which are not registered with the council, yes? Edited to answer your earlier post - I do think dogs which are not being used for breeding should be desexed, but I do not think it should be mandatory. There are plenty of undesexed dogs out there doing no harm to anyone, and provided someone has the will and the facilities to keep an entire dog, it should be their choice. Yes - I know how everyone feels about desexing. I do too, but I don't think this should be forced. Education is good, cheaper registration is also good. And draconian measures like this simply drive more people underground, so they have dogs which never go to training, are never socialised, blah blah, and probably that is much worse than not desexing them. There are other problems too, but I don't have time now. We have too many regulations, and too many problematic regulations, so people simply avoid them. Government doesn't seem to understand that. Yet there are numerous studies showin the problems which arise, not just with legislation of this type, but general legislation. Edited January 21, 2010 by Jed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erny Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 I dont understand, the first thing I hear on here when someone mentions their entire dog is causing trouble is "desex it". I don't say that. It is something that sometimes could do well to be considered, but not necessarily because of behaviour issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelpie-i Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Personally i don't have an issue with mandatory desexing for dogs not registered with the canine council AND who get out and are not registered with the local council. Whats the issue with this? Mandatory with the owner's consent yeah sure. I dont like stray dogs and all the issues that come with it, but for local councils to be playing "God" with, for example, a working dog that happens to get out one day, is not on. Sorry! Working dogs (dogs that work on the land and/or are used for working dog trials) are not registered with the canine council, most are registered with working dog councils. Does this make them less relevant than dogs registered with ANKC? Probably a biased opinion but that's my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doodi Posted January 21, 2010 Share Posted January 21, 2010 Sister found a GR and turned it in to Keysborough Animal Shelter. She followed up (b/c she would have adopted it if the owners weren't found), and found out that the dog will be desexed even if the owners are the ones that claim it. I don't think this is correct either, I think it has been suggested that she have her dog desexed to stop it from getting out again and she has opted for that to happen, but AAPS can't just take in a dog and desex it before doing it's mandatory time, I think that is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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