westozmike Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Hi there, Wanted to put this query out to the DOL community for general opinion. A breeder has a female (staffy) pup available to us but will only sell on the proviso that we will allow her to have 1 or 2 litters in the future (at her kennels). Ideally we wanted to sterilise our new family pet - and have never been involved in breeding before (not that we would have to do anything as everything would be handled by the breeder). Any thoughts on this would be appreciated?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 So long as the breeder is GIVING you this bitch and is prepared to cover all the costs involved in health testing her and showing/trialling her to establish her suitability as a brood bitch then it's really up to you. What happens if your pet dies giving birth, will the breeder give you another puppy as a 'replacement'? What happens if she turns out to be the greatest broodbitch ever in the history of the world and the breeder wants yet another litter from her? What happens if the bitch turns out to be unsuitable for breeding (not "good enough", fails health tests) Written contract, everything down to the finest detail and don't let yourself be bullied or conned by those cute little puppy eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 advice as a pet owner = walk away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Lolapalooza* Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) If you want to sterilise your girl perhaps wait for the next litter or see if the breeder can recommend another litter that you can have a puppy from. There is no shortage of Staffords Its entirely up to you. Edited January 18, 2010 by *Lolapalooza* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pie Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 If you don't feel comfortable with it I don't think you should do it. But if you do decide to do it, make sure you get everything in writing. I personally wouldn't like the idea of my girl staying in someone's kennels for 4 odd weeks, I'd miss her too much. But some people do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) advice as a pet owner = walk away x 2 There are plenty of good stafford breeders who'll sell you a pet outright. The idea of having a bitch entire for years, of dealing with seasons, of having her absent from your home for months at at time and being at a breeders beck and call is not what I'd aim for in a pet. Edited January 18, 2010 by poodlefan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) Personally I wouldn't do it. When I buy a dog, unless I was going to show it, I would want total ownership and I wouldn't want to part with my dog for one or two litters. If I did do it I would want a contract drawn up to specify the amount of litters the dog would have and that I would have total ownership once she'd had those litters. And there is no way I'd buy a pup and still let the breeder have litters from her, I'd want the pup at a seriously reduced cost or free. JMO Edited January 18, 2010 by huski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 (edited) I've always avoided these arrangements even though I know they are not uncommon. Mostly because my dogs are spoilt house dogs who get highly bonded to me and each other. I don't like the idea of them going to someone else, who by that time is a stranger to them, for whelping or worse into a kennel situation after having been house dogs. There is also the risk they could die during whelping, there have certainly been posts in the breeders forum on losing bitches while having puppies. So I guess for me it would depend on what I wanted for my pup and how highly I regarded the breeder. Edited January 18, 2010 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 If you are not comfortable with it now, you will be less comfortable with it when it happens, and in the coming 2 or so years. Walk away, and buy a pup without any strings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mita Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 Ideally we wanted to sterilise our new family pet - and have never been involved in breeding before (not that we would have to do anything as everything would be handled by the breeder). I think there's your answer. Your wish (& your experience) is in owning desexed pets. So I think it's best for you to say 'no' to the breeder's proposition. Other breeders will have dogs they'll retire to you as desexed pets. I'm presently getting one, because my wish & experience is the same as yours. The position might be different if the new owner had associations/experiences/interests with the breeding/show world... where these kind of arrangements are sometimes set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 advice as a pet owner = walk away x 2 There are plenty of good stafford breeders who'll sell you a pet outright. The idea of having a bitch entire for years, of dealing with seasons, of having her absent from your home for months at at time and being at a breeders beck and call is not what I'd aim for in a pet. You would be looking at a first season at around 7-9 months and then one every six months from them on. By the time they breed her twice, you may well have gone through 7 or so seasons. Even if you kept your bitch at home between mating and just before whelping, she'd still be gone for at least 8 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 advice as a pet owner = walk away x 2 There are plenty of good stafford breeders who'll sell you a pet outright. The idea of having a bitch entire for years, of dealing with seasons, of having her absent from your home for months at at time and being at a breeders beck and call is not what I'd aim for in a pet. You would be looking at a first season at around 7-9 months and then one every six months from them on. By the time they breed her twice, you may well have gone through 7 or so seasons. Even if you kept your bitch at home between mating and just before whelping, she'd still be gone for at least 8 weeks. I have a friend who took a bitch on a "two litter" deal. The breeder delayed the second litter until the bitch was 8 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashanali Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 My sister will do these deals occasionally. The people pay the full price up front but they have the purchase cost refunded OR they can have a puppy when they return for a litter. I don't know the ins and outs, I've never sat down and gone through it with her but it seems to work for her. Just make sure that if you decide to go ahead with it, you have EVERYTHING in very detailed writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I a breeder expects you to raise the bitch, feed and take care of it and get a litter back. The very least they can do is give you the bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westozmike Posted January 18, 2010 Author Share Posted January 18, 2010 Thank you all for the quick responses. My wife and I are leaning towards no - for many of the reasons listed, but primarily: risk to the bitch, dealing with her when she's in season (again not being involved in breeding not sure if this is a big issue or not) and time away from home (could be tough on my two young children)... While it is a very nice pup - I think we'll keep looking for a no strings attached scenario... There are a lot of staffords around, but we're not finding it that easy to find one we want from a good breeder....we seem to be always just missing out on the girl that we want (very frustrating).. The blues seem to be easy to pick-up though - I guess people aren't keen on the high price and potential health issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I'm sure we could point you in the direction of an ethical breeder, who would be only too happy to see one of their pets desexed . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeckoTree Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I'd stick with your ideals and look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Willow Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 I personally know of two people who have entered into agreements like this (totally different breeds & breeders), and it has caused no end of problems for them as "regular joe pet owners". Hvaing seen what they have been through, no way I would want that kind of stress in my life. i would walk away too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 There are a lot of staffords around, but we're not finding it that easy to find one we want from a good breeder....we seem to be always just missing out on the girl that we want (very frustrating).. What are you specifically looking for - are you after a certain colour? (obviously not a blue though ) or bloodline? or are you only wanting to buy from a breeder you can actually meet? There certainly are plenty of puppies out there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess live die Posted January 18, 2010 Share Posted January 18, 2010 as a pet buyer i would walk away and find someone else. would she want to keep you bitch there while shes pregnant? or are you allow to take her back home after mating? i personally wouldnt be able to do that id go find anther Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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