Whipitgood Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 (edited) I thought that by the age the pup enters the ring - 3 months - that BOTH testicles have to be down and palpable. But someone said to me today that they give allowance to young puppies and i can still show a pup with 1 testicle (its sitting just above his scrotum but hard to palpate) and as long as it is down by 6 months then he is OK to be shown? Does anyone know the regulations on this? His testicle is in his groin and i can palpate it when he is on his back, im hoping it will drop completely. I have him entered in his first show in 2 weeks but was going to scratch him if it wasnt all the way down yet. But i wont if i dont have to! Edited January 9, 2010 by Whipitgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 As long as rules haven't changed since I last discussed this problem, I believe what you have been told is correct. But you have to sum up the facts! As he will be noticed immediately, but remembered as the beautiful baby with only one knacker. Are you very optimistic that it will come down??? And if there is an element of doubt, why not wait and put him in the ring then. I have known many a case where the 'can't accept the fact' breeder/owner, feels that undescended testicle, and yet nobody else can! One particular case springs to mind of a lovely baby Saint with only one, he even took out a baby in group at a Royal and was never shown again for that very reason, once out of baby class. And when I last saw the same adult male, his owner lay him down and said to me "you feel it, it is there but it just keeps going up!" But alas there was nothing there at all that I could feel. I have also heard many judges' comment on babies that are lacking in that area, and even though age acceptable, they will not put them through because of such. So my own personal opinion is why draw attention to it? Wait......... and if it comes down all good and well, but if it doesn't, then no one is any the wiser! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whipitgood Posted January 9, 2010 Author Share Posted January 9, 2010 Hmmm wise advice Lesley, thankyou. I guess i just love having new babies in the ring so was quite excited about getting him out there. But i see your point. It depends on who i speak to in terms of "will it or will it not" come down. At 10 weeks, i think he has a few more weeks to get it down there. Some say months, but im not convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dellcara Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 yes, it is Dogs 6 months of age or over that "shall not be accepted as physically entire unless both testicles have fully descended and are in the scrotum". so... with Baby Puppies they can get away with it ... and why would judges bother looking ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mersonmalinois Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 yes, it is Dogs 6 months of age or over that "shall not be accepted as physically entire unless both testicles have fully descended and are in the scrotum".so... with Baby Puppies they can get away with it ... and why would judges bother looking ?? Maybe to get the puppy ready for the day when the testicles are required? Isn't the point of showing a baby puppy to teach it to be a show dog? The testicle exam is a biggie for those boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowanbree Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 It wouldn't worry me. My breed is often late in becoming fully mature and as long as they are under 6mths I will show them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyehaven Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 is 6 months, one of my dogs dropped his just in time for his first time in minor. Tiny but there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaceful Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Its really for the learning experience and socialising that babiies are in the ring so I would show him as a baby to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandalay Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 Yes Whipitgood get out there and show your babies, the rule is they must be there by 6 months as at that age they are heading for the points..... Have fun with your babies....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspyre Posted January 9, 2010 Share Posted January 9, 2010 It is 6months, but I have seen an FCI judge refuse a class to a baby puppy (he was even the only one in the class) as he could not find the other teste. Even though the steward & exhibitor explained that it was allowed here, and did not have to be down until 6months. The judge just said no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tukeglen Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I thought that by the age the pup enters the ring - 3 months - that BOTH testicles have to be down and palpable. But someone said to me today that they give allowance to young puppies and i can still show a pup with 1 testicle (its sitting just above his scrotum but hard to palpate) and as long as it is down by 6 months then he is OK to be shown? Does anyone know the regulations on this?His testicle is in his groin and i can palpate it when he is on his back, im hoping it will drop completely. I have him entered in his first show in 2 weeks but was going to scratch him if it wasnt all the way down yet. But i wont if i dont have to! Try puttng him on kelp tablets. 1 per day. I know of a dog that was like that and after kelp every day at 6 months both were down all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellz Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Wouldn't stress too much...have had three dogs in two different breeds not drop their pennies until 9 months. If he is REALLY promising, show him until 6 months of age and then sit on him for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Baggins Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Our first kept cav boy boy had only one palpable to me. Another "Queen of the Testicles" showie/breeder found it at 14 weeks. I massaged him every night while watching TV and put him on some naturapathic remedie and by 16 weeks was down but went up. All good by 6 months. ETA> We kept showing him, often Judges do not feel pups. Edited January 10, 2010 by Bilbo Baggins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmaro Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Whippet testicles are renowned for going up and down until they are nine to twelve months of age in some cases so I wouldn't stress about it at all ... its not uncommon to see dogs in the minor and puppy classes being fliped to show the judge a testicle that goes up and down. They are like yo-yos at this age!! Most judges that know the breed will give a handler a chance to push it down if it goes up ... one thing I would suggest though is that when you put your pup on the table don't lift him under his tummy as this with stretch his cords and make them go up. Scoop him up around the legs instead if that makes sense until they are settled and where they should be! Edited January 10, 2010 by elmaro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whipitgood Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 Thanks everyone for your replies. Im glad you all suggest getting him in the ring for practice, i like them to have some fun when they start out and get used to the whole show scene, so i will show him as entered in 2 weeks time. I had another "feel" today (poor sod is sick of me fiddling with his privates!! ), it has come down much lower and is just above the scrotum but still hard to palpate. Looks like it might come down eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lils mum Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 something from Pat Hastings talk in Sydney a couple of years ago - if the left one is down, the right may still come down. However, her experience is that if the right is down, but the left is not, it will (according to her) never come down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whipitgood Posted January 10, 2010 Author Share Posted January 10, 2010 something from Pat Hastings talk in Sydney a couple of years ago - if the left one is down, the right may still come down. However, her experience is that if the right is down, but the left is not, it will (according to her) never come down... Thats interesting thanks, ill have to keep that in mind. This is the first time ive had a pup with no nads by their first vaccination, but ill keep it in mind if i get any more. This guy has his left down, the right is just above the scrotum now, so her theory is correct in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whippets Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Don't mean to sound crass but once the testicles get a bit of weight to them (maturity) they should stay down in the sac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizT Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 When my GSD had only one testicle down at his 3 months vaccination the Vet told me it was unlikely that the retained teste would come down. When we had his desexed at 7 months (we were planning to desex him in any case) the poor boy has to be Castrated and Spayed! Adominal surgery and a slit sac. My point being it is vital to desex an animal with only one teste as the retained teste atrophies and becomes cancerous. So at some point (clearly variying with different breeds???) a single testicle has to be "accepted" as such for the well being of the animal. Still plenty of time to hope for the best for your little fella. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lesley Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Our first ever Saint, (pick of the litter, show quality) was a monorchid. Shonky breeder told us that it was down when we collected him but they sometimes go up and down. Yeah right, when he was desexed he came home with an incision in his groin and another right down the centre of his belly. The retained testicle that went up and down was found under his rib cage! Was NEVER in any position ever where it could have gone up and down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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