Images Of Dogs "in Drive"

[huski]

Is that Howard, PF? Gee he's gotten big!

Yep, he's a big boy now.. 17 months old. How quickly it happens.

Still waiting for him to grow a brain though

You mean they grow a brain? :D

[poodlefan]

Is that Howard, PF? Gee he's gotten big!

Yep, he's a big boy now.. 17 months old. How quickly it happens.

Still waiting for him to grow a brain though

You mean they grow a brain? :D

Hope springs eternal.

Oh, and this was the "prey"

Edited January 18, 2010 by poodlefan

[bordacollies4me]

i would say all these are in drive...

Edited January 18, 2010 by bordacollies4me

[BC]

Border and Aussies in drive !

Edited January 18, 2010 by BC

[Erny]

BC - that looks like a nice river that you're at. Where was the photo taken, if you don't mind me asking?

[bedazzledx2]

Hey! I've got one of those!!!! An Aussie, BC and a Toller!!!! All in drive

Border and Aussies in drive !

[caffy]

Hey! I've got one of those!!!! An Aussie, BC and a Toller!!!! All in drive

Border and Aussies in drive !

Yeah bedazzled ..Brookie's eyes were definitely open

[huski]

Bedazzled, I thought you were finished with this topic? Or are you only posting if you can further make fun of a trainng method/theory some of us find very useful?

[bedazzledx2]

The problem is Huski, is that you don't listen to anyone who is trying to be helpful to you. You are sooooo tied up in your own interpretation of a training system that you are closed to alternate methods that you made need down the track. You are certainly convinced that you can only train and trial in 'food drive' with your dog and that you can tell by looking at a dog what type of drive it is in (which is where this thread came from). I'm not making fun of the method....I have already posted that I think its great that people are now practicing motivational reward based training. This is the norm where I train. I just don't do the jargon.

Bedazzled, I thought you were finished with this topic? Or are you only posting if you can further make fun of a trainng method/theory some of us find very useful?

[huski]

The problem is Huski, is that you don't listen to anyone who is trying to be helpful to you. You are sooooo tied up in your own interpretation of a training system that you are closed to alternate methods that you made need down the track. You are certainly convinced that you can only train and trial in 'food drive' with your dog and that you can tell by looking at a dog what type of drive it is in (which is where this thread came from). I'm not making fun of the method....I have already posted that I think its great that people are now practicing motivational reward based training. This is the norm where I train. I just don't do the jargon.

When have I ever not listened to someone who is being helpful to me? Considering you have never met myself, or my dog, what methods do you think I am opposed to? Or is it purely because I don't hang off your every word and blindly follow your ideas that makes you think I am "closed to altnerative methods"?? Does having an alternative approach to training than you do mean that I am wrong or closed to methods other than the ones I am using? The method, by the way, that has made a massive difference to my dog - not that you would know, seeing as you haven't met either of us Am curious exactly what instances you are referring to, Bedazzled? Do you think everything I do with my dog is just something I've made up myself and not things I've learned from a number of other trainers and triallers?

Seeing as I know my dog better than anyone else including yourself, I AM certain that training in food drive is the best way to get the best out of my dog. Have you ever trained a drivey scent hound before, Bedazzled? I would LOVE to see you come and train my dog simply using play/praise and get the same results I do when I utilise her food drive. I NEVER said that training in food drive is the only way to train her, but that it is the way to get the best out of her. Or do you think you know my dog better than I, and the trainers who teach me, do?

Also curious where I said I can tell what drive a dog is in simply by looking at it? I have never and would never say such a thing. I would appreciate it if you didn't take the words out of my mouth

I don't particularly care about the jargon, I use it for MY understanding only - as long as my dog is happy and working well that's the most important thing to me. You can put us down as much as you like but at the end of the day I don't need to belittle other people to make myself feel better

Edited January 18, 2010 by huski

[bedazzledx2]

If you go look you will find I never said you should train purely with praise. You did incorrectly quote me on one thread as saying that...I chose not to respond at the time. I am glad you have found a great way to train your particular dog and I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I am sorry you have interpreted my questions and advice as being critical...they were not meant to be...I was actually trying to get you to think about the bigger picture but hey....what would I know? Do you know what my methods are???? You never asked. You might be surprised!!!!

The problem is Huski, is that you don't listen to anyone who is trying to be helpful to you. You are sooooo tied up in your own interpretation of a training system that you are closed to alternate methods that you made need down the track. You are certainly convinced that you can only train and trial in 'food drive' with your dog and that you can tell by looking at a dog what type of drive it is in (which is where this thread came from). I'm not making fun of the method....I have already posted that I think its great that people are now practicing motivational reward based training. This is the norm where I train. I just don't do the jargon.

When have I ever not listened to someone who is being helpful to me? Considering you have never met myself, or my dog, what methods do you think I am opposed to? Or is it purely because I don't hang off your every word and blindly follow your ideas that makes you think I am "closed to altnerative methods"?? Does having an alternative approach to training than you do mean that I am wrong or closed to methods other than the ones I am using? The method, by the way, that has made a massive difference to my dog - not that you would know, seeing as you haven't met either of us Am curious exactly what instances you are referring to, Bedazzled? Do you think everything I do with my dog is just something I've made up myself and not things I've learned from a number of other trainers and triallers?

Seeing as I know my dog better than anyone else including yourself, I AM certain that training in food drive is the best way to get the best out of my dog. Have you ever trained a drivey scent hound before, Bedazzled? I would LOVE to see you come and train my dog simply using play/praise and get the same results I do when I utilise her food drive. I NEVER said that training in food drive is the only way to train her, but that it is the way to get the best out of her. Or do you think you know my dog better than I, and the trainers who teach me, do?

Also curious where I said I can tell what drive a dog is in simply by looking at it? I have never and would never say such a thing. I would appreciate it if you didn't take the words out of my mouth

I don't particularly care about the jargon, I use it for MY understanding only - as long as my dog is happy and working well that's the most important thing to me. You can put us down as much as you like but at the end of the day I don't need to belittle other people to make myself feel better

[huski]

If you go look you will find I never said you should train purely with praise. You did incorrectly quote me on one thread as saying that...I chose not to respond at the time. I am glad you have found a great way to train your particular dog and I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I am sorry you have interpreted my questions and advice as being critical...they were not meant to be...I was actually trying to get you to think about the bigger picture but hey....what would I know? Do you know what my methods are???? You never asked. You might be surprised!!!!

One of the reasons I post in the training forum is so I can learn from more experienced trainers/triallers like yourself. I'm not however interested in being shot down by people who don't know myself or my dog and at best have watched a couple of youtube videos I've posted and gotten a laugh out of them. I know it can be a bit of a joke when people see the breed I have but we both enjoy training and at the end of the day the fact my dog is happy to work is the most important thing to me. I know how far she's come and sure I'm inexperienced and we've got a long way to go but I am still proud of her, however amusing you may find it.

You are the one who has assumed that when I talk about training in food drive, that it means I don't use play/praise, even though I have explained when bluntly questioned by you that I do... not sure how much clearer I can be??

[bedazzledx2]

At what point did I Make fun of you?????? You seem to have a chip on your shoulder. Please go back and have a look.

I will now choose to respond to other posts but it is quite obvious that you neither need nor want any advise from me...no matter how well intentioned. So be it. Have a nice life.

If you go look you will find I never said you should train purely with praise. You did incorrectly quote me on one thread as saying that...I chose not to respond at the time. I am glad you have found a great way to train your particular dog and I sincerely wish you the best of luck. I am sorry you have interpreted my questions and advice as being critical...they were not meant to be...I was actually trying to get you to think about the bigger picture but hey....what would I know? Do you know what my methods are???? You never asked. You might be surprised!!!!

One of the reasons I post in the training forum is so I can learn from more experienced trainers/triallers like yourself. I'm not however interested in being shot down by people who don't know myself or my dog and at best have watched a couple of youtube videos I've posted and gotten a laugh out of them. I know it can be a bit of a joke when people see the breed I have but we both enjoy training and at the end of the day the fact my dog is happy to work is the most important thing to me. I know how far she's come and sure I'm inexperienced and we've got a long way to go but I am still proud of her, however amusing you may find it.

You are the one who has assumed that when I talk about training in food drive, that it means I don't use play/praise, even though I have explained when bluntly questioned by you that I do... not sure how much clearer I can be??

[huski]

I never said you made fun of me

I am more than happy and eager to learn from experienced triallers like yourself and I hate to think that the times I've misunderstood or attempted to clarify something someone has said has made you think I have a "chip on my shoulder" or am reluctant to learn. Nothing could be further from the truth. Sure I believe in the methods I use, with the results I've had from using them of course I do!

I do not however appreciate your "well intentioned" attempt to belittle or patronise me because you have misconstrued a comment I have posted in another thread. I've never been anything other than polite and friendly to you and each time I attempt to strike up a conversation with you, you completely shut me down.

Lucky for me, I know many other trainers and triallers who are keen to teach "chip on the shoulder" and "know it all" newbies like myself

[Longcoat]

Someone mentioned the "jargon" and to be honest although I have trained for many years, I find the drive jargon rather confusing In the old days, drive was a natural passion that a dog had to do something. It wasn't a taught behaviour, the dog either had it or not, like some dogs love to chase things including things that they shouldn't be chasing , and some were more lazy, couldn't be bothered..........can you get that ball for me attitude as you threw it too far away???. A high drive dog, was basically an energetic dog with a passion for physical performance and that was about it.

Training highly driven dogs in the old terminology, they did everything taught to them with vigor and passion which stemmed from a genetic trait, you didn't purposely initiate vigor and passion, it was already there and waiting with the best dogs, infact, the difficulty was trying to stop the vigor..........like just lay down and rest for a while as the dog had the endurance to go and go???.

Sometimes to me, the exercises used to intitiate vigor (drive) in modern training systems seems like a device to energise dogs that don't really have the natural desires if that makes sense to anyone , but fortunately there appears to be many well knowledged people here on these drive topics and in time I will no doubt learn something. Some very interesting concepts in this thread

[BC]

BC - that looks like a nice river that you're at. Where was the photo taken, if you don't mind me asking?

Its in Echuca, a couple of minutes from mum and dads house

[JulesP]

Yeah Longcoat drive is really all about the people that don't own Border Collies trying to compete with people that do

Disclaimer: For people with NO sense of humor - I am joking

[Quickasyoucan]

Yeah Longcoat drive is really all about the people that don't own Border Collies trying to compete with people that do

Disclaimer: For people with NO sense of humor - I am joking

I was hoping to post a pic of my dog behind the wheel of my car as an image in drive, he likes a high driving position.!

[Erny]

Sometimes to me, the exercises used to intitiate vigor (drive) in modern training systems seems like a device to energise dogs that don't really have the natural desires if that makes sense to anyone

Don't think it is "modern" training "systems" as such - been around for a long long time. I think perhaps it is in more recent times that explanation on how to do it has come to the forefront. And when people are learning, some structure is usually needed until they become a bit more familiar with it. And with structure comes 'step by step' style instruction, or people become a bit lost.

It's not a "devise" as such, although I don't think you intended the word to be used in its real sense.

And if the "natural desire" wasn't there, you wouldn't get anything from it. It is about taking that "natural desire" and encouraging it to 'bloom', shall we say. And then using what you have encouraged to 'bloom' to attain the best in obedience/performance that you can. Of course if the dog is genetically blessed with high drive, it is easier and you can use that drive in many more situations. But even with dogs where that drive is not strong, but is there, if it has been nurtured, you can use it in some situations. But whatever the strength of drive, it has to be there genetically anyway.

You can nurture a seed to sprout and become a tree or a bush or plant or whatever its genetic makeup dictates what it will be. You can't nurture a small plant seed to become a tree though.

Edited January 18, 2010 by Erny

[kayla1]

Sometimes to me, the exercises used to intitiate vigor (drive) in modern training systems seems like a device to energise dogs that don't really have the natural desires if that makes sense to anyone , but fortunately there appears to be many well knowledged people here on these drive topics and in time I will no doubt learn something. Some very interesting concepts in this thread

I’m no expert but with Annie it's been about using her natural desires and channelling the drive into something more useful. So giving her an outlet for that drive. Annie has great drive but used to be obsessed with moving objects – animals, birds, bikes, cars etc – but now through drive training she gets drive satisfaction from her ball/toys instead. Still working on certain birds though lol...